How The Music Channels Are Killing Our Music
Bibi K July 18, 2009
#20 Posted by Afat on July 23, 2009 6:12:10 am
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#19 Posted by Afat on July 23, 2009 6:10:39 am
Purani Aag ki chingari abhi bhi kaheen na kaheen say apna sar uthatee hey...
Mulahiza hoo...
Pakistan ka pehla " Bubble Pop " ....." co co co reena "
orignal Sohail rana ka compose , Ahmed Rushdi ka film Arman kay liyee gayee huwaa thaaa..
Yeh neyaa version .....
Ali Hyder , Amanat Ali or Ahmed Jehanzeb ney Sohail Rana key tribute walay program meen Sohail Rana sahib hi ki nayee composition meen gayee hey....
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#18 Posted by CheGuevara on July 22, 2009 12:22:35 pm
I agree with you to the extent that the pakistani channel is run by a residue of advertising scum more interested in peddling telenor talk shite than music or entertainment or news for that matter. They probably wouldn't know good music if it shafted them in the ear drum.
But, people who say is there really any 'talent' out there to find? Do have a point. The media boom in the early two 0's did give a huge impetus to the dormant music scene. The real causes are far deeper rooted and its probably the same virus that bled dry this society's ability to appreciate innovation and imagination
But, people who say is there really any 'talent' out there to find? Do have a point. The media boom in the early two 0's did give a huge impetus to the dormant music scene. The real causes are far deeper rooted and its probably the same virus that bled dry this society's ability to appreciate innovation and imagination
#16 Posted by kaurasach on July 21, 2009 9:42:24 am
The music in desiland has been reduced to shreiking and poor mimicking of the west. There is no imagination and real talent. That is why 'calssic' productions are still in high demand.
#15 Posted by Afat on July 21, 2009 7:59:50 am
LOL
you don't like the song , or the singer...??
ok Listen to his Jhukki Jhukki
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUcTd5LdpP0
Then tell me what do you think...!!
#14 Posted by PabloGanja on July 21, 2009 5:33:43 am
Afat, they way you are talking about this music, it was as if there was a scene akin to Liverpool in the 1960's, Detroit in the 1960's, New York in the 1970's, Kingston Jamaica in the early days of Bopb Marley, then i listened to the songs and it was like.....LoL
#13 Posted by bhs75 on July 21, 2009 4:10:21 am
I have read again and my pov remains the same.
the reason journalist have been writing is that there is nothing else to write about, do you see any good music coming out besides C/S?
it's different, they are experimenting with it and it is going well so far (well apart from atif's "tainu wasta ae", where he beat the crap out of "billie jeans", if jackson was not dead then, he is now !!!"
Jimi Hendrix and Bob Dylan, they were exceptional of thier times,sure they did not go to music school but they were right in the middle of a culture where all sort of stuff was happening, for them it makes sense, but then how many JH and BD came after that? none ... thier reference is irrelevent here with regard to our local music.
the reason journalist have been writing is that there is nothing else to write about, do you see any good music coming out besides C/S?
it's different, they are experimenting with it and it is going well so far (well apart from atif's "tainu wasta ae", where he beat the crap out of "billie jeans", if jackson was not dead then, he is now !!!"
Jimi Hendrix and Bob Dylan, they were exceptional of thier times,sure they did not go to music school but they were right in the middle of a culture where all sort of stuff was happening, for them it makes sense, but then how many JH and BD came after that? none ... thier reference is irrelevent here with regard to our local music.
#12 Posted by catfischblues on July 21, 2009 3:31:56 am
It seems that the entire point of my article has been missed. I'm merely attempting to speak for the pop industry by asking the channels to do their job seriously.
I don't really care about commercialism, since good talent will find a way to make original music. The point of this piece was not to bash our pop music industry. The point was how our TV execs ( the men who make the decision to choose what we can listen to on TV) are making poor choices, by choosing people who're in the industry for fame instead of the music. I said, that we have plenty of good talent everywhere. You don't need institutions to learn, Jimi Hendrix and Bob Dylan never studied music.The problem is that the decision makers stop the deserving.
And again, I never criticised Coke Studio. When I wrote 'over-hyped' that was a bash at those entertainment pages journalist who are not giving equal recognition to the rest of our music community, either because they're too lazy to dig up a story or just clueless.
And I don't think NFP will have much problem with my argument about the TV execs, since they're very much part of the so-called 'capitalist machine' rolling out homogenous products, without taking our tastes into consideration- it's a pretty undemocratic system.
I suggest you read the piece again.
I don't really care about commercialism, since good talent will find a way to make original music. The point of this piece was not to bash our pop music industry. The point was how our TV execs ( the men who make the decision to choose what we can listen to on TV) are making poor choices, by choosing people who're in the industry for fame instead of the music. I said, that we have plenty of good talent everywhere. You don't need institutions to learn, Jimi Hendrix and Bob Dylan never studied music.The problem is that the decision makers stop the deserving.
And again, I never criticised Coke Studio. When I wrote 'over-hyped' that was a bash at those entertainment pages journalist who are not giving equal recognition to the rest of our music community, either because they're too lazy to dig up a story or just clueless.
And I don't think NFP will have much problem with my argument about the TV execs, since they're very much part of the so-called 'capitalist machine' rolling out homogenous products, without taking our tastes into consideration- it's a pretty undemocratic system.
I suggest you read the piece again.
#11 Posted by bhs75 on July 20, 2009 11:44:58 pm
before I say something else,
VS and Junoon are the reason that we still have people trying to make music !!!
I have commented on such issue before here,
http://www.chowk.com/interacts/16053
... problem is the same ... we do not have institutions where people learn how to play.
I beg to differ that cokestudio is over hyped,trying composing a tune for yourself just once & then come and write about it !!!
it's easy to criticise from the comfort of our chairs while not knowing how much effort one is putting, hey ... atleast they are making an effort !!!
cokestudio effort revolves around one man, rohail hayaat,he has become a good producer. battle of the bands was also arranged by him. ok I agree it's cola sponsored but hey you are downloading thier stuff for free !!! do you know how much they are paying for the bandwidth and servers?
it's all free !!! they are not selling it to you !!! so before you start bashing, check all aspects and then start typing.
here is a flash though, our POP is still better than indian POP cause all thier music comes from movies and they have no mainstream bands, there was euphoria!!! and kelash kher has his band, "kaisala" if I am not wrong ... but he is mostly busy singing for movies. I am sure they have underground bands, may be someone can write about them here.
you are lucky that such "boring" music channels are keeping the "left-overs" of our POP music alive !!! when you mix commercialism with talent, you lose that talent cause they want to cash in on you asap !!! there is talent, it needs a direction, needs grooming, that is all.
again, we have no solid ground for the POP music to grow, guys write it at thier homes and somehow manage to record it,when was the last time you had looked into underground scene?
MCC was best cause the bands were coming up in those days, the music was fresh and people bought that, but then again recording music does not come easy and cheap. that is where most band fell off the grid unless your daddy is a rich man with endless supply of money.
NTM did started "music challenge" and it produced plenty of good voices, only shazia manzoor remain in the spot light and the guy who won it, I have not seen him again on TV.
remember when ali haider came out with his "two" track album "sandesa"? 2nd track was zalim nazron se. oh did they groove to it or what !!! a 2 track album becoming a hit !!!
time has changed, choices have changed, you think nazia and zohaib can rock during current times? I dun think so. those were the golden days for music, on both sides of the border.that is gone, accept the fact. we cannot have it back.
we have few who can sing, rest are product of studio software & this is how it goes !!! but hey atleast we are not copying our songs from across the border, they take our songs and makes them even worst !!!
current example, made a fine voice like sherya goshal sing "tera wo pyar" which is an insult to the original tune by Shuja Haider.
other botched example is "mahiya", taken from a baysura song and made it ultra-baysura !!!!
atif aslam, yeah he had his share over there while singing to the tunes of Mithoon Sharma, till mithoon himself learned how atif was singing and kicked him out!!!
now a days it's all about remixes and DJs and bla bla bla, the "taste" for music is gone, can you rate music by any standards? I mean hamesh reshmiya is considered hit singer !!! how F'd up is that? he is the reason that amanat lost the finals and you can see the reaction by vishaal and shekar when they turn away from the stage.
xulfi (ep) got his smiles back after couple of tunes he made for indian movies, bits and pieces are not enough. you need a have a whole album which can be listened to without hitting the "skip" button.
we should have NFP's catch on current music scene !!! no one writes better than him when it comes to that !!!
we like trash music so we are getting trash music !!! rock on !!!
trivia !!! back in 90's, shalimar released 2 albums by a guy name "Asad", anyone remember?
VS and Junoon are the reason that we still have people trying to make music !!!
I have commented on such issue before here,
http://www.chowk.com/interacts/16053
... problem is the same ... we do not have institutions where people learn how to play.
I beg to differ that cokestudio is over hyped,trying composing a tune for yourself just once & then come and write about it !!!
it's easy to criticise from the comfort of our chairs while not knowing how much effort one is putting, hey ... atleast they are making an effort !!!
cokestudio effort revolves around one man, rohail hayaat,he has become a good producer. battle of the bands was also arranged by him. ok I agree it's cola sponsored but hey you are downloading thier stuff for free !!! do you know how much they are paying for the bandwidth and servers?
it's all free !!! they are not selling it to you !!! so before you start bashing, check all aspects and then start typing.
here is a flash though, our POP is still better than indian POP cause all thier music comes from movies and they have no mainstream bands, there was euphoria!!! and kelash kher has his band, "kaisala" if I am not wrong ... but he is mostly busy singing for movies. I am sure they have underground bands, may be someone can write about them here.
you are lucky that such "boring" music channels are keeping the "left-overs" of our POP music alive !!! when you mix commercialism with talent, you lose that talent cause they want to cash in on you asap !!! there is talent, it needs a direction, needs grooming, that is all.
again, we have no solid ground for the POP music to grow, guys write it at thier homes and somehow manage to record it,when was the last time you had looked into underground scene?
MCC was best cause the bands were coming up in those days, the music was fresh and people bought that, but then again recording music does not come easy and cheap. that is where most band fell off the grid unless your daddy is a rich man with endless supply of money.
NTM did started "music challenge" and it produced plenty of good voices, only shazia manzoor remain in the spot light and the guy who won it, I have not seen him again on TV.
remember when ali haider came out with his "two" track album "sandesa"? 2nd track was zalim nazron se. oh did they groove to it or what !!! a 2 track album becoming a hit !!!
time has changed, choices have changed, you think nazia and zohaib can rock during current times? I dun think so. those were the golden days for music, on both sides of the border.that is gone, accept the fact. we cannot have it back.
we have few who can sing, rest are product of studio software & this is how it goes !!! but hey atleast we are not copying our songs from across the border, they take our songs and makes them even worst !!!
current example, made a fine voice like sherya goshal sing "tera wo pyar" which is an insult to the original tune by Shuja Haider.
other botched example is "mahiya", taken from a baysura song and made it ultra-baysura !!!!
atif aslam, yeah he had his share over there while singing to the tunes of Mithoon Sharma, till mithoon himself learned how atif was singing and kicked him out!!!
now a days it's all about remixes and DJs and bla bla bla, the "taste" for music is gone, can you rate music by any standards? I mean hamesh reshmiya is considered hit singer !!! how F'd up is that? he is the reason that amanat lost the finals and you can see the reaction by vishaal and shekar when they turn away from the stage.
xulfi (ep) got his smiles back after couple of tunes he made for indian movies, bits and pieces are not enough. you need a have a whole album which can be listened to without hitting the "skip" button.
we should have NFP's catch on current music scene !!! no one writes better than him when it comes to that !!!
we like trash music so we are getting trash music !!! rock on !!!
trivia !!! back in 90's, shalimar released 2 albums by a guy name "Asad", anyone remember?
#10 Posted by Afat on July 20, 2009 9:34:45 am
Yes Atif aslam is a good voice , not trained voice ..... but if any one has seen his alap on cokestudio , seems to be learning fast....
But still Miles away , from Sajad Alis and Shafqat Amanat.
#9 Posted by paradox on July 20, 2009 9:16:15 am
THE deteriorating state of any society is reflected by its form and expression of art. Considering the deplorable political scenario of Pakistan, it is not surprising to find that its music is in such a wretched condition, being turned upside down.
There seems to be no minimum requirement of education and integrity in order to become a politician, likewise there seems to be no established criterion to be a pop singer. Anyone who has the means and can form a music group is welcome to do so.
Pakistani pop singers are writing a new chapter in the history of music by being able to sing off-key most of the time and it’s only by chance that they hit a correct note (sur).
What is more astonishing, though, is that they are being well accepted and welcomed by the general public.
For the purpose of analysis ‘Class A’ musicians consist of luminaries like Ustad Baray Ghulam Ali Khan, Ustad Salamat Ali Khan, Ustad Amanat Ali Khan, Roshan Ara Begum, Noor Jehan, Mehdi Hassan, Tufail Niazi, Lata, Rafi and Kishore.
‘Class B’, technically on key most of the time but does not posses the ability to create magic or leave the listeners breathless, could be singers like Sonu Nigam, Alka Yagnik, Kumar Sanu.
The third category, ‘Class C’, probably comprises those who improvised music by not being in tune or off key which includes most current Pakistani pop singers. With a few exceptions like Shafqat Amanat Ali Khan, Sajjad Ali, Jawad Ahmad and Ali Zafar, who have trained voices, the rest of the lot has been disappointing due to singing out of tune and off key which include Junaid Jamshaid, Atif Aslam and Jal. This list could go on.
Had there been some kind of law in place to screen singers so that they do not corrupt music in such a way, I believe we would find most of the Pakistani pop singers behind bars.
Until such a law is made, we are, sadly, destined to be tortured by our fellow countrymen who claim they can ‘sing’.
There seems to be no minimum requirement of education and integrity in order to become a politician, likewise there seems to be no established criterion to be a pop singer. Anyone who has the means and can form a music group is welcome to do so.
Pakistani pop singers are writing a new chapter in the history of music by being able to sing off-key most of the time and it’s only by chance that they hit a correct note (sur).
What is more astonishing, though, is that they are being well accepted and welcomed by the general public.
For the purpose of analysis ‘Class A’ musicians consist of luminaries like Ustad Baray Ghulam Ali Khan, Ustad Salamat Ali Khan, Ustad Amanat Ali Khan, Roshan Ara Begum, Noor Jehan, Mehdi Hassan, Tufail Niazi, Lata, Rafi and Kishore.
‘Class B’, technically on key most of the time but does not posses the ability to create magic or leave the listeners breathless, could be singers like Sonu Nigam, Alka Yagnik, Kumar Sanu.
The third category, ‘Class C’, probably comprises those who improvised music by not being in tune or off key which includes most current Pakistani pop singers. With a few exceptions like Shafqat Amanat Ali Khan, Sajjad Ali, Jawad Ahmad and Ali Zafar, who have trained voices, the rest of the lot has been disappointing due to singing out of tune and off key which include Junaid Jamshaid, Atif Aslam and Jal. This list could go on.
Had there been some kind of law in place to screen singers so that they do not corrupt music in such a way, I believe we would find most of the Pakistani pop singers behind bars.
Until such a law is made, we are, sadly, destined to be tortured by our fellow countrymen who claim they can ‘sing’.
#8 Posted by paradox on July 20, 2009 9:16:10 am
THE deteriorating state of any society is reflected by its form and expression of art. Considering the deplorable political scenario of Pakistan, it is not surprising to find that its music is in such a wretched condition, being turned upside down.
There seems to be no minimum requirement of education and integrity in order to become a politician, likewise there seems to be no established criterion to be a pop singer. Anyone who has the means and can form a music group is welcome to do so.
Pakistani pop singers are writing a new chapter in the history of music by being able to sing off-key most of the time and it’s only by chance that they hit a correct note (sur).
What is more astonishing, though, is that they are being well accepted and welcomed by the general public.
For the purpose of analysis ‘Class A’ musicians consist of luminaries like Ustad Baray Ghulam Ali Khan, Ustad Salamat Ali Khan, Ustad Amanat Ali Khan, Roshan Ara Begum, Noor Jehan, Mehdi Hassan, Tufail Niazi, Lata, Rafi and Kishore.
‘Class B’, technically on key most of the time but does not posses the ability to create magic or leave the listeners breathless, could be singers like Sonu Nigam, Alka Yagnik, Kumar Sanu.
The third category, ‘Class C’, probably comprises those who improvised music by not being in tune or off key which includes most current Pakistani pop singers. With a few exceptions like Shafqat Amanat Ali Khan, Sajjad Ali, Jawad Ahmad and Ali Zafar, who have trained voices, the rest of the lot has been disappointing due to singing out of tune and off key which include Junaid Jamshaid, Atif Aslam and Jal. This list could go on.
Had there been some kind of law in place to screen singers so that they do not corrupt music in such a way, I believe we would find most of the Pakistani pop singers behind bars.
Until such a law is made, we are, sadly, destined to be tortured by our fellow countrymen who claim they can ‘sing’.
There seems to be no minimum requirement of education and integrity in order to become a politician, likewise there seems to be no established criterion to be a pop singer. Anyone who has the means and can form a music group is welcome to do so.
Pakistani pop singers are writing a new chapter in the history of music by being able to sing off-key most of the time and it’s only by chance that they hit a correct note (sur).
What is more astonishing, though, is that they are being well accepted and welcomed by the general public.
For the purpose of analysis ‘Class A’ musicians consist of luminaries like Ustad Baray Ghulam Ali Khan, Ustad Salamat Ali Khan, Ustad Amanat Ali Khan, Roshan Ara Begum, Noor Jehan, Mehdi Hassan, Tufail Niazi, Lata, Rafi and Kishore.
‘Class B’, technically on key most of the time but does not posses the ability to create magic or leave the listeners breathless, could be singers like Sonu Nigam, Alka Yagnik, Kumar Sanu.
The third category, ‘Class C’, probably comprises those who improvised music by not being in tune or off key which includes most current Pakistani pop singers. With a few exceptions like Shafqat Amanat Ali Khan, Sajjad Ali, Jawad Ahmad and Ali Zafar, who have trained voices, the rest of the lot has been disappointing due to singing out of tune and off key which include Junaid Jamshaid, Atif Aslam and Jal. This list could go on.
Had there been some kind of law in place to screen singers so that they do not corrupt music in such a way, I believe we would find most of the Pakistani pop singers behind bars.
Until such a law is made, we are, sadly, destined to be tortured by our fellow countrymen who claim they can ‘sing’.
#6 Posted by PabloGanja on July 20, 2009 8:27:03 am
Afat, that is exactly the song I listened to, and it is even funnier the second time.
#5 Posted by Afat on July 20, 2009 8:23:53 am
LOL
I don't know which " Rooya rey " you listened.
this is the One I am talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z1D2nne-uQ
..and this is how I think it was picturized in the Film Dhooka
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQsC7E3lPfw&feature=related
..Listen again.
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