Can Status-quo Save Pakistan?

@Pir Rokhan, I completely agree with your assessment, as a pashtun from that area....you have pinpointed the problems and solutions in our region.

@Goldfinger..peera I am amazed at two things, one that you continue to give us pashtuns the same old same old with Pakistan, whereas the situation is clearly proven that the interests of Pashtuns and those of Pak Army/intel are not in sync. Also although Pashtuns have an illustrious history, why are mentioning sports stars? Why don't you mention these personalities: -

- the great Umrah Khan Jandoolii, known as the Afghan Napolean.
- Bacha Khan and the Khudae khidmathgars
- Haji thurangzai
- Khushal Khan Khattak
- Nazo ana, one of the mothers of our nation, who bore and groomed the Great Mirwais Neeka. Not only did she nurture our mashar Mirwais neeka was a poetess as well.
- Zarghuna ana, the mother of Ahmad Shah Baba, founder of the first and only Pashtun state/kingdom.
- Pir Roshan, standardized the pashto alphabet and rallied Pashtuns against the Mughals.
- Ghazi Amanullah Bacha
- Khan Samad Khan Achakzai
- Malalai of maiwand
- Aimal and Darya Khan Apridi
- Ayub khan of Maiwand

These wrora are the assets to our Pashtun people, it were these people who maintained and defended our lands. I believe if we Pashtuns honoured such people, and took their example we would not be in the state we are today. Manana

Re: # 98

blumfeld...while I agree with most of your post, I would like to enlighten you about a few facts...first, please stop confusing the talibs with Pakhtuns...the talibs are an unnatural mutants of sundry different ethnicities (Punjabis included) who have grown to monstrous proportions after they were first created to fight communists/Russians with religious fervor, and now they are out to destroy Pakhtun culture and history. As for Pakhtun culture, well it is all about romanticism, bravery, and a certain way of life that a true Pakhtun/Pushtun is supposed to live, called Pukhtanwali, or The Way of the Pukhtun. They have a glorious history which includes many great conquerors and rulers who have ruled upon the throne of Delhi for centuries. Probably one of the most just and greatest of rulers on the throne of Delhi was Sher Shah Suri, who was a Pakhtun, and he ruled Delhi in the mid 1500s...he is famous for wresting the throne from the Mughals (Humayun)...but he is much more famous as a just administrator...he is the first man who brought in the Rupee as a monetary unit, which is still used by countries like India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal, etc...he brought in the land revenue system, patwaris, tehsildars etc, and thanedars etc for keeping law and order...he made the GT road, which is still called Sher Shah Suri Road in India, which runs all the way from Khyber to Calcutta...all these firsts are used to this day...the Mughal Humayun called him his teacher rather than his enemy...other then great Pukhtun conquerors and rulers, the list of great personalities is quite long, suffice it to say that it includes some of the world's greatest writers, thinkers, poets, scientists, physicians, surgeons, engineers, as well as some of the greatest singers, actors and actresses of the sub-continent, like the Khans of Indian film industry, including Dillip Kumar (Farid Khan), great international sportsmen, like the world renowned squash Champions, Hashim Khan, Athlas Khan, Roshan Khan, Jahangir Khan, Qamar Zaman, Jansher Khan, or cricketers, like Imran Khan, Shahid Afridi, Younas Khan, Umar Gul, or across the border Irfan Pathan etc. Obviously all this is so due to the great and vibrant Pakhtun culture that has so far existed in history but is now direly threatened...as for the londay bazi that you mention, I am reminded of a funny sms I received on my cell phone recently, which said:

Shrabi ilzam sharab ko deta hey,
Ashiq ilzam shabab ko deta hey,
koi nahi karta qabool apni bhool,
=andu be ilzam Pathan ko deta hey.

pir sahib...pakistan did not invite russia to invade afghanistan and when the russians were in afghanistan what pakistan was suppose to do? accept the russian presence and work against the pakhtuns?...pakistan did not do anything wrong by supporting the afghans in thier strugle against the soviets..pakistan took in million of refugees and gave full military support to afghans and is still suffering bc of this support.
then after the soviets withdrawl when afghanistan was a chaotic mess pakistan supported the talibans ( PAKHTUNS )....was that a crime?....pakistan had no crystal ball to see that talibans wud morph into a monster and destroy thier own country....stop this BS that pakhtuns are suffering bc of pakistan or pak army on the contrary pakistan is suffering bc of pakhtun stupidty....whats the pakhtun culture that u are so proud off?....robery and londay bazi?

#96
Pashto is one of the two official languages of Afghanitan. Thirty percent of all the newspapers and many official government documents are published in Pashto. In all the
Pashto speaking areas of Afghanistan the teaching language of Schools and universities is Pashto. And not to forget that even Afghanistan's national anthem (milli tarana) is in Pashto and article 20 of Afghan constitution demands that the national anthem should only be in Pashto.

The Afghan constitution allows every citizen to chose the language in which he/she wants to learn. The status of Pashto in Afghanistan should be much better than what it is now but far better than in Pakistan. And even Dari/Persian which is spoken by the majority in Afghanistan is at least not an imported language. Dari is as an Afghan language as Pashto.

Re: # 95

By the grace of everything holy (and unholy), I am not a slave to anything or anybody except to my own conscience for justness and honor. How can our Pashtun brethren be better off in Afghanistan if they are dying of hunger and starvation there, and are driven in throngs to seek welfare (education, health/hospitals, employment, business) in Pakistan? What is this ridiculous and empty fallacy of better be poor and rule rather than rich and enslaved? How can the poor and dispossessed rule in any case...if you are poor, uneducated, and unable to speak your own language (as basically Dari is the language of state in Afghanistan), what freedom do you speak of? And why must Balochistan, or any part of Pakistan for the matter of that, break up (which is what the Indians or RAW wants too, like yourself)? Why can't instead, all right minded people get together and work on making sure that all people/citizens get their just rights everywhere in Pakistan, punish the thugs who are bringing so much misery to the hard pressed populace, rather than to go through the travails of horrendous bloodshed and uprooting of separation, as you, India, and RAW want...however I do agree with you on unification of Pakhtunland...and above all do you know history of Ahmed Shah baba? This was not a colony of his, but his domain...many people joined his army from here to go inflict heavy defeats upon the Sikhs in Lahore, and Hindus/Marhattas in Panipat...for his brave victories, he his is now a villain to your favorites, the Indians.

Re: # 92
Where else will Punjabis find more loyal servant or slave better than you who is a wordsmith too in addition to be a slave. What a shame!!

Intellectualising your slavery, Justifying the occupation of your resources by Punjab, Pacifying the natural retaliation against the usurping of my property my resources. And then preferring to be a slave and being proud of it and calling it wisdom. The wisdom which people like you acquire after seeing the colour of the dollar in Punjab.

Having said that in plane words, you dint bother to read my post. I have proposed that Pakhtuns have three options contrary to Baloch, who have no other option but to get separate and Pakhtuns should support them to get rid of Punjabi imperialism.

1) They can live in Pakistan (anyway it was an Afghan colony under Ahmed shah baba's Afghanistan) but under the condition that there should be a united province called Afghania or Pakhtunkhwa or Pakhtunistan with provincial autonomy.

If Pakistanis want to run Pakistan affairs it has to be based on equal share in the right to govern. Otherwise the Pakistanis and Punjabi stooges and stalwarts who consider Pakhtuns' demand for their legal and legitimate right to be against Pakistan and a risk to the integrity and solidarity of Pakistan should go to hell along with their Pakistan. If my demands for my rights mean the breakup of Pakistan then Pakistan should break up sooner than later.

2) The creation of a separate state like Balochistan, Karachi city state (on the lines of Singapore), Sindho Desh, Bengal etc.

3) The merger of Pakhtun land with Afghanistan.

I do not mind the first option. My point is that the international scenario now needs the unification of Pakhtunland and I don’t see the balls and brains in Pakistan to oppose that agenda.

As far as your ISI propaganda is concerned which you would have learnt from your fellow Punjabis so mind it Pakhtuns in Afghanistan are much better off then those in Pakistan. It is better to rule in hell than to serve in heaven as Milton had said.

If your stereotypes col Imam and Col Zameer stop destroying the Pakhtun motherland as they have been destroying for the last 30 years then it will proposer. It is however a good omen that Taliban have turned against the Punjabi army and ISI and they are facing the music from their own brainchild. But this is what they say what you sow so shall you reap.

Re: # 93
Majumdar sahib
Yes. Those living in cities like Karachi and Hyderabad face loadshedding of electricity, rising prices of commodities, joblessness.

Rashid sahib,

Not only the Pukhtuns feel exploited and oppressed. Baluch and Sindhis feel the same way. Ordinary Punjabis did not have it much better either.

You havent mentioned the fifth nationality- the Mojos. Do they feel exploited and oppressed, also?

Regards

Re: # 89

Pir Rokhana...rora...It is hard to disagree with almost any of the points you raised in your post...and I haven't said submission...but what I say is that one could always struggle for one's rights even within Pakistan, provided you happen to have selfless leaders with vision, who don't get drunk with the inebriating elixirs of illicit wealth and the loot and plunder of public wealth, or look for self aggrandizing power and pelf...however such leaders clearly do not exist at the moment...because such leaders are meant to guide, mentor and mold a community and a people...since those are not available, what good would it serve in any case if you detach a tumbleweed from the creaky wheels of one bullock cart and attach it to another and a mighty worse one at that? Most of the Pakhtuns and Pashtuns, luckily happen to be on the Pakistani side of the Durrand Line...and despite what you say they would almost all like to stay put the way they are…your kind of ideas belong to the fringe minority with ulterior motives...for definitely Pakhtuns/Pushtuns are much better catered for in Pakistan than our unfortunate brothers/sisters in Afghanistan...you can compare the two on either side, and you would see that those on the Pakistani side are definitely much more better off in every way on the developmental scale: education, health, wealth, and all other sundry benefits than their brethren in Afghanistan, unfortunately. This is not to say that there is no poverty or backwardness, which unfortunately is rampant in all of the south Asian nations. Pakistan particularly has been misruled and mismanaged for a very long time indeed and all the hatred and dislike between different ethnicities stems from lack of enlightenment and awareness, which, once the nation gets on a proper path, of enfranchisement of the populace, and other developments, should dissipate ...as for the brutalities and treacheries you mentioned being perpetrated against the Pukhtuns, it is not only the Pakhtuns...generally all over Pakistan you must've noticed the extremely low human development index...that is the bane of a misgoverned country...however I remember even in Afghanistan General Dostum barbarically put thousands of Pukhtuns into containers like worms, then shot into them, and those that survived being snuffed out or killed by bullets were sold off into captivity. One must always chose lesser of the two evils (unless of course some personal motives, or money is involved)…but then that is quite a wicked self serving motive to pursue , and the majority of people are wise up to this…just go out on to the streets and tell them about your ideas, and see what they say. A few months ago, I met an important Afghan official in Dubai, like you he was singing India’s praises, and had a suitcase full of their dollars. My suggestion is to improve on what we have on hand and not to create more mayhem and disruption then the hard pressed populace is already passing through.

Re: # 86
Pir Rokhan
Not only the Pukhtuns feel exploited and oppressed. Baluch and Sindhis feel the same way. Ordinary Punjabis did not have it much better either. All resources of the country have gone into building a military complex and the people have been left to suffer. For Pakistan to survive in the future, all federating nations must consentually come together and relations with neighbors should be normalised. Huge spending on defence must be cut drastically and invested in social and infrastructure development.
Peace.

Re: # 87
nkg

Indian is an ancient civilisation and by saying that my point was not to claim anything about Indian civilisation but to pinpoint the fact that it is unnatural for Pakhtuns to be part of the artificial amalgum which took some part of Indian (non Punjabi),some part of Punjab,some part of Central asian (Afghan) and made a state which we call Pakistan (in hindi you will call it pawitar land..though it has no iota of pawitar element in it.Sometimes to deceive the nationalities in Pakistan it is said to be abbr of p=punjab,a= afghan,s= sindh bla bla)

Re: # 85

The Pakhtuns who were made a part of Pakistan as a result of the fraudulent referendum which all Punjabised Pakhtuns refer to in their writings are still facing the music. It is good that Khudai Khidmatgaars boycotted the drama which stamped misery and deprivation on the fate of Pakhtuns in Pakistan once and for all.

Now just check what we have gained and what we have lost after being a part of Pakistan.

Are your ears deaf not to hear the cries and miseries of those IDPs whose parents, kids, sons and daughters are killed by Punjabi army and air force to prove their efficiency in meeting the two weeks deadline given by the US to Pakistan after which they were going to invade Pakistan???

Are you blind not to see the exploitation of our water and power resources by Punjab? Will you give an inch of your land to any person of your own lineage and kinship? Here the situation is Punjab has got all the waters of your rivers and diverted them to make their lands fertile and left us jobless to beg for petty jobs in the streets of Punjab?

Don’t you see the revenue from tobacco being used just to make that Pakistan prosperous which means Punjab only.

Does the failure of Gadoon amazai by Punjabi industrialists and beaureocracy not ring bells in your mind?

Don’t you know that this entire Taliban factor is an ISI drama? Don’t you know that it is a strategy to malign Pakhtuns and to show it a real drama to the world to get dollars?

Don’t you know that Fazlaullah's radio was established, maintained and safeguarded by army captains. Do you want the names?

Are you not aware of Sufi Mohammad? Don’t you know he is an ISI pet who was used by ISI through major Amir in nineties?

Pakhtuns used to stand for their kith and kins, rights and nation and now look what we are listening from GF....submission is wisdom. God damn it.

Pir Rokhan...
"Pakhtuns neither were part of Indian civilization (ofcourse there is no such thing as Pakistani civilization) nor are part of it...."
if that "were" is within last 800/900 years, then definitely you are correct. But do you have any instutute, which studies cultural heritage of that place? I am sure the answer is negative....pre islamic/barbaric period, vast stretch of that part of Asia (Gandhar and Comboj province of India) was centre for fine art.....
Anyhow, India do not want to meddle in this affairs....

Pir Rokhan...
"Pakhtuns neither were part of Indian civilization (ofcourse there is no such thing as Pakistani civilization) nor are part of it...."
if that "were" is within last 800/900 years, then definitely you are correct. But do you have any instutute, which studies cultural heritage of that place? I am sure the answer is negative....pre islamic/barbaric period, vast stretch of that part of Asia (Gandhar and Comboj province of India) was centre for fine art.....
Anyhow, India do not want to meddle in this affairs....

Re: # 84
The days of using Afghanistan for strategic depth against India are gone. Afghanistan is and will remain to be a free and independent sovereign state despite of the malicious propaganda by the Punjabi media.

The sell-out Punjabised Pakhtuns on the payroll of ISI (Taliban) could not even divide it. The Non Pashtun Afghans are even against any division of the unitary Afghanistan which has been the graveyard for all those who tried to ruin and devastate it.As the Durand line is not acceptable to Pakhtuns hence the issue still remains between Pakistan and Afghanistan like the Kashmir issue.

The only way for the Pakhtuns to remain in Pakistan is to unite them within Pakistan in a united Pakhtunkhwa province consisting of NWFP, Northren areas, Attock Mianwali, Pakhtun belt of Baluchistan as demanded by the Pakhtun nationalist parties.

Provincial autonomy is the next step to make them really a part of Pakistan. This is the demand of all three provinces whose resources are being exploited by Punjab for the last 60 years plus. A true federation is the only way out for Pakistan.

Pakhtuns and other oppressed nations, if given their due share and rights in governance are not in favour of merging with Afghanistan unless the compulsive forces of history separate them.

The crux of the matter is that till Pakistan faces it natural death and continues to tread the way which leads to suicide, all the nations have to be given their due rights and share in power and atleast Pakhtuns are not in favour of getting separated from Pakistan.

It is life of dignity and honour which is what Pakhtuns demand which they don’t find in a rogue state like Pakistan which has become a symbol of dishonour, terrorism, fundamentalism, corruption and defacto rule of Punjabi army and the malicious intelligence agencies.

Re: # 77

Pir Rokhana rora...mostly Pakhtuns are very patriotic and I know for a fact that a humongous majority of them do not want separation from Pakistan as all other options are totally not viable for them...even people of Swat, Waziristan, and FATA...because they are wise enough to know that it would be like from out of the frying pan into the fire scenario...they would probably have it the other way around...for the Pashtuns of Afghanistan to join them to make up a greater Pashtun nation...but I know there are some people on the fringes of society who for ulterior motives float these ridiculous notions of separation and such stuff...and no I have never worked in Pakistan, and neither for Punjabis...but to move ahead in this world we must come out of this mindset of ridiculous tribalism and regionalism and think on more broader terms of existence...we must celebrate diversity and enjoy to live with it rather then to continue living in a maze of hopeless emotionalism, tinged with ridiculous myopia...as for the many killed in Afghanistan...maybe you were not paying attention as the Roosian and now the Amreekian have been performing that part...millions of our Afghan brothers/sisters were hosted in the Frontier as refugees...I'm not denying the fact that the Punjabis and Sindhis are themselves rooted within their own myopic viewpoints...but all this can be sorted out easily when we get some proper leaders with greater vision...rora moong kho na dha punjab nokari kao aao na assi tarani wau...