The Spirit of Indus Valley

Sikandar hayat Khan was much more secular than our draculla.
http://library.du.ac.in/dspace/bitstream/1/7179/6/Title%20and%20preli minary%20pages.pdf
go to page 17.

About draculla Maj: he was secular, his baap was secular and more important his grand-baap was secular and converted to kabila of Arabi belly dancer for biz deals and randibazi. Our chikna draculla converted to suit boot firang for biz and power. These kinds of gaa.dus will sell their mothers for higher bidder and be cause of millions of deaths and rapes.

Secular was Netaji Subhash Chandra who wins presidentship of Congress in opposition to Gandhi's candidate and build later INA with lot of muslim soldiers to free Andamans and Burma. Jassoo G should write book on him.

BTW Jassoo brought Azar and Omar to Papiland and we know what they did to Papiland. By his book on draculla he will further screw Papiland. Jassoo Ki jai Ho!

Abrahmic camel once spreads its feet in your tent then it will go on asking more and more till it pushes you out. That is why draculla was asking more than 50% of political power even when their population was 24%.

There is no point in arguing witht them. Just keep the danda ready and will to use it ruthlessly.

A DIALOGUE BETWEEN A MISSIONARY ANDTHREE CHINESE CONVERTS

Missionary: How many Gods are there, my brethren!

Ist Convert: Three.

2nd Convert: Two.

3rd Convert: None.

Missionary: Horrid! The answers are from the Devil.

All: We know not where you got the religion which you have taught us, but thus you have taught us.

Missionary: Blasphemers!

All: We have heard you with patience nor ever thought of crying out against you, how much so ever you surprised us by your doctrine.

Missionary: (Recovering himself and addressing the 1st convert.) Come, come, recollect: how can you imagine that there are three Gods?

Ist Convert: You told me there was God the Father, and God the Son, and .God the Holy Ghost, and by my Swanpan [Calculating instrument] I find that one and one and one are three.

Missionary: O! I see your blunder. You remember but half the lesson. I told you also that these Three are One.

Ist Convert: I know you did, but I thought you had forgotten yourself, and concluded that you spoke the truth at first.

Missionary: O no! You must believe not only that there are Three persons, each God, and equal in power and glory, but also, that these Three are One.

Ist Convert: That is impossible. In China we do not believe contradictions.

Missionary: Brother! It is a mystery.

Ist Convert: What is that, pray?

Missionary: It is - it is - I know not what to say to you, except that it is something which you cannot possibly comprehend.

Ist Convert: (Smiling) And is it this that you have been sent 10,000 miles to teach?

Missionary: O the power of carnal reason! Surely, some Sccinian has been doing the Devil’s work in China.

But (turning to the 2nd convert,) how could you imagine, there are two Gods?

2nd Convert: I thought there were many more till you came and lessened the number.

Missionary: Have I ever told you that there are two Gods? (Aside.) The stupidity of this people makes me almost despair.

2nd convert: True, you have not said in so many words that there are two Gods, but you have said what implies it.

Missionary: Then you have been tempted to reason upon this mystery.

2nd Convert: We, Chinese, are wont to put things together and to come at truth by comparison. Thus you said there were three persons that were each perfect God, and then you said one of these persons died in one of the countries of the West, a long while ago; and I therefore concluded the present number to be two.

Missionary: Astonishing depravity! O the depths of Satan! It is in Bin to reason with these poor benighted creatures But (addressing thee 3rd convert) perverse as you two brethren are, you appear worse than they: What can you possibly mean by answering that there are no Gods?

3rd Convert: I heard you talk of three, but, I paid more particular attention to what you said on the point of there being only one. This I could understand; the other I could not; and as my belief never reaches above-my understanding (for you know I am no learned Mandarin) I set it down in my mind that there was but one God, and that you take your name of Christian from him.

Missionary: There is something in this; but I am more and more astonished at your answer "None."

3rd Convert: (Taking up the Swanpan.) Here is one. I remove it. There is none.

Missionary: How can this apply?

3rd Convert: Our minds are not like yours in the West, or you would not ask me. You told me again and again, that there never was but one God, that Christ was the true God, and that a nation of merchants living at the head of the Arabian gulf, put him to death upon a tree, about eighteen hundred years ago. Believing you, what other answer could I give than “None’?

Missionary: I must pray tar you, for you all deny the true faith, and living and dying thus, you, will without doubt perish everlastingly

Ist Convert: Cong-foo-tse [Confucius], our revered master, says that bad temper always turns reason out of doors, and that when men begin to curse, the God Spirit of the universe abandons their hearts.

2nd Convert: You must be angry with yourself and not with us, for you have been teaching us al different times doctrines as contradictory as those of Cong-foo-tse and Buddha. The immortal emperor Sinchong has said that he is not to be numbered with wise men, nor to have a name in the hall of ancestors, who undertakes a voyage without making up his mind to its purpose, and preparing himself to give a clear and kind answer to the question of a stranger.

3rd Convert: These rebukes are just: but Ter-whangtee says, in his golden words, that mirth is better than tie. You came it seems, to bring us a new riddle: but while we thank you, we beg to inform you that Kienlong, our late celestial emperor, has supplied us with a plentiful store, much more entertaining than yours; and when you can read as well as speak our divine language, we recommend to you his delectable history of the Mantchoo [Manchu] Tartar, that pretended to be inspired by the Grand Lama, but could never be made to comprehend the Swanpan.

(Cited from Jogendra Chunder Ghose (ed.), The English Works of Baja Rammohum Roy, Delhi: Cosmo Publication, first published in 1906, reprint 1982, Vol. IV., pp. 911-13.)

Re: # 131
agantuk...
India is federation and people don't have any generic feeling about BD, unless they are creating nuicence...for people of cow belt, it does not make any sense to differentiate between a Bengalee from East and West....
Regarding water issues, Farakka is realy a bad stuff, everyone is suffering now....But BD will face more and more water problem as the rivers originating from Himalayas are now in very bad shape, specialy Ganga...UP farmers draws huge amount of water, which no politican will dare to touch...So, BD have to suffer along with West Bengal ( to some extent)...

Re: # 131
agantuk...
India is federation and people don't have any generic feeling about BD, unless they are creatinh nuicence...for people of cow belt, it does not make any sense to differentiate between a Bengalee from East and West....
Regarding water issues, Farakka is realy a bad stuff, everyone is suffering now....But BD will face more and more water problem as the rivers originating from Himalayas are now in very shape, specialy Ganga...UP farmers draws huge amount of water, which no politican will dare to touch...So, BD have to suffer along with West Bengal ( to some extent)...

Agantuk, nkg:

Thanks. We normally discuss India/Pak issues and not much India/BD and therefore most of us are not familiar with the issues.

Let's hope that these issues (very common among neighbors) can be resolved with give and take attitude. Actually there is no choice, we can't move away from each other.

Re: # 127
Pardesi...
Just after creation of BD (in 1975), pro-american ( Pakistani and Chinese supported) lobby killed Mujib and eleminated many of his family members. Armed forces captured power in BD. But still, in some stints, AL came to power and they do not like to play the role of islamic trouble maker for India...At least there is not much pro-india sentiment in BD...Related to Pakistan, it is same like other moslem country, and I am not sure, whether there is any cultural cohesiveness in BD with Pakistan...As per my knowledge, Kolkata based movies and magazines used to dominate in cultural space for long time, but now, they have created their own industry....and in these areas, they are better than Pakistan....The way AL govt. increased the participation of women in workforce and legislature and literacy rate, that is realy commendable...Many states of India is lagging that zeal.....Like India, many of the people from BD works in middle east and they bring Islamic Terrorism in BD and some segment of society is now feeding the Jihad factories ( after Pakistan)....

Pardesi #127

People of Bangladesh really appreciate India's role during liberation war, General Aurora and General Jacob visited Bangladesh few years ago and were given warm reception. new generation of Bangladesh feel extremely proud that their forefathers took the right decision at the right time. What ever politics and self interest were there , Indira Gandhi and people like general Aurora occupy special places in our hearts, freedom fighters come to TV channels and share their experience which also includes their training in India and joint operation with Indian forces.

Bangladesh does not have border with Pakistan, for Bangladesh Pakistan is one muslim majority country that used to rule us. Because of geographical position , India has more influence and there exist hard feelings for several reasons. Farakka Barrage is one of them, main river Padma and some 20+ tributaries dried up bacuse of farakka, creating severe envioronmental and social problem. If India goes ahead with its river linking project and tipaimukh dam , almost every part of BD will turn into desert. There are other issues like Border killings,India does not allow BD goods to enetr into its market,Bangladeshi TV channels are not allowed in India. Whenever there is any bombing in India, Indian authority points finger at BD without any investigation or without providing any evidence.

Some say that India does not want to see a developed Bangladesh as bengalis are only ethnic community in whole south asia who has a state for themselves and thats why its a headache for India , a developed Bangladesh may inspire other communities of India.Some people also view India as another imperial power that want to dominate smaller and weaker states

So yes there are hard feelings exist because of India's Big brother attitude, but that does not mean that we do not appreciate india's help during the war.

Re: # 126
Your bigotry against Islam and Muslims is boundless. With this extremely bigoted mindset, you find it easy to rationzalize the well-documented (by Amnesty, HRW, others) brutality, rape, murders, widespread employment discrimnation in Indian occupied Kasmir, where "the world's laregest democracy" has promulgated laws that give total immunity to Indian soldiers from any prosecution for their well-known and widely reported crimes against humanity.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 119
I think you have missed the whole point of my post about Jessore masscare. It was not intended to justify the shameful acts of Pak Army or to assign blame to Bengalis.

Instead, the purpose was to tell you how the pictures have been deliberately mislabeled and widely abused to distort history as part of the campaign in BD and India and the West to portray the Jessore masscare (as proxy for the bigger story) as one carried out by Pak Army. The same is true of another picture where the readers are misled to believe it was a Bengali woman raped and murdered when in fact it was a man wearing a lungi.

So,please be aware of the deliberate fraud by partisan historians to fit their preferred narrative.

I suggest you read the Telegraph story again:

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060319/asp/look/story_5969733.asp
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Why Kasabi Papiland did not have constitution? Why it was free for all country, esp for British and alien Muslim rulers made feudal lords and British made Muslim army for all these years? Why papiland's Presidents and Prime ministers are made in DC or London and retire in London like their role model the draculla (MAJ)? Why draculla slept with Churchill for four years during his retirement in London?

Answer: Arabi belly dancer became randi of Lawrence of Arabia is serving western courts for long time because this Arabi randi never took local roots. So this beghari randi served always alien foreign exploiters. This is the same reason papilandi army sends its own citizens and jihadis to gitmo.

Why Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Nepal are not exactly good neighbors or friends to India?

Answer: It's Cabinet mission in action.

Bottom line: Papiland is a colony of imperialists and it's going to be for next decade before it disappears.

Solution economic development and let jaswant G go on goomrahing papi jihadis.

We can be open to Arabi or Yogi Yeshus spirituality but there must be emphatic NOO for Arabi or alien culture.

That is why I ask Mad Sad Arabi to own his original name Mandar Multankar.

Agantuk, I posted couple of questions for your comments on wrong board. Here it is:

Agantuk, you have just confirmed all those stories about Pakistani army's atrocities that we use to read in early 70s in western media.

However, I have couple of questions. Do Bangladeshis appreciate Indian role in your liberation? If so, is there any truth to many chowkies' statements about how Bangladeshis feel more closeness to Pakistanis these days than Indians? If it's true, where did India screw up in terms of relationship? Or is it just reawakening of original muslim vs. hindu thing no matter what Indians did for Bangladeshis? Thanks.

Re: # 110
Riaz...
Because, the pundits are well educated and cultured; They get better jobs even now,in rest of India....

The violence in Kashmir valley destroyed the tourism industry, which used to be their bread and butter...They had no other way, than stop suppoting terrorism...The economic condition changed after 1991 (in India) and there are better opportunities in India than Pakistan.If Kashmir valley is detached from India, those people will starve...Last month, couple of my collegues visited Kashmir and Leh. The diffence of attitute irks tourists and now Leh is minting money from Israeli and european tourists...Even the Indian tourists started pefering Leh ove Kashmir valley....
Furthermore, Kashmiri muslas, taking help from Bangalore/Pune based firms stated opeating BPO offices in Kashmir valley...I am not sure, whether that positive outlook will defeat Islam or not, but it helps improving the quality of lives of people there....After last Earth quake, they have seen, what Islam have given them...Little more lessons, they have to learn....

Re: # 120
ZBhutto...
If Mujib was CIA agent, why CIA will arrange for elimination of his entire family in 1975 and why his entire family had to take shelter in India? Will you bother to explain this?
Don't say India was with Americans during 70s...That will be ultimate and even worse than cliams in Korun....

Zalibhutto,

"And finally get a goddmaned education, you write like a juvenile and cannot make a coherent argument."

That's exactly what I am doing here, getting 'GODDMANED' education from people like you and supermasadi, and my 'thick head' brain just realized that all great men( Zalibhutto and supermasadi) think alike.

I alreday told that our best professors, educationist were killed by pak army, so I could not manage getting quality education.thanks for taking your time to educate someone whose intellectual and education level are not up to the mark.

for the sake of a coherent arguement, Didn't ZAB, the great leader, know that Ayub Khan is a dictator and he came to power through illegal means when he became a minister in Ayub Khan's cabinet? Or may be Ayub Khan became a dictator after ZAB joined his cabinet. very confusing. Please educate me.

again, thanks for your comments, My vocabulary has been enriched with words like 'thugs' and 'thick head'.

Re: # 122 NKG , Agatuk.... Zia Ali Bhutto is 200% right. I am here just for wrting skills improvements and improving english and basically as theorapy. Please do not take me seriously. Please forgive me for my infantile mental disorder, most of you people think too much and write too difficult is my compalint.Now that is serious. With that we go ahead. I just wanted to say lions ,tigers and dogs are all different and all races are different.
Nkg I listen to young people and noted you have very good young talented who are bengalies. Koshaki Chakrabarti , koyal Dasgupta and Swara lahiri very beautiful presentation and mastery and great control on their facial expression that it self is like khandan ladies , what I will call riwaj and adab etc. I listened to bandishes in Yaman and all three do so well presenting specially convulated nature to accent and decent also note p missing beautifully while in accend.
Please is there caste of Singer group and above belong to them.
Mr.A sorry if my english is bit wrong many times its propblem as I translate urdu from my mind into english. My english has real problems and some times it is not clear for me how to say.
Good day.