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Re: # 242
Anil: "Actually no one would, that has just as much accuracy as I had "obtained" by simply dividing it by 1,000,000 to get per million."

I am sorry but you are wrong. How many millions of people live in India? 1000 million. How millions of people live in Pakistan? 165 million.

To get per million population consumption number, you have to divide TOTAL consumption in India by 1000 and TOTAL consumption in Pakistan by 165. This is fairly simple and both Aleph and I have explained it to you already. If you can not get it, I am sorry I can not help you any further. This is my last post to you on this subject.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 241

Riaz sahib:

You really made me do this work, I thought you would accept facts and deduce them yourself. You somehow remain adamant about defending / projecting wrong numbers.

A relevant Economic Research done by IDBI (Industrial Development Bank of India) can be found at http://amol.agr.googlepages.com/DissectingtheFoodConsumptionPatterns.pdf
This research shows that Wheat consumption in rural India (figure 9), and in urban India (figure 10) is less than 50%. Considering the population of the states which I identified as wheat consumption states, confirms this 50% number. These two methods confirm the 50% number. I have created a spreadsheet for wheat consuming states. If you do not believe then look at this link where state wise breakout of production of wheat is given at: http://indiabudget.nic.in/es99-2000/app1.15.pdf .

The link http://www.indiastat.com/agriculture/2/foodgrains/17180/wheat/17195/stats.aspx provides production and consumption data. You need to be a paid member to access data from this website.

If you take the total consumption from the links that I have provided several times, per million numbers that you have taken is for Pakistan’s population base of 163 million, and 1,095 million for India. These are the total population of both countries.

I am comfortable with the data from the abovementioned websites.

Therefore, India’s number that you quote must be adjusted by a factor of two (2). That puts the wheat consumption in India at about 120,000 per million.

I would discard the difference and say that wheat consumption in both countries is at the similar levels. Something I have always maintained.

Masadi, probably correctly, correct in accusing you of playing fast and loose with numbers. You seem to have showed understanding of statistical methods, yet you rampantly use them. It is critical to have an agreement on variables used in the data set first, and then on reliability of data collection.

Please do your homework before indulging in numbers. Many including me, can do numbers in their head and come very close to the reality.

I still maintain that statistical numbers do not present accurate data. Masadi on his own has raised the point about improvement of poverty at $1.50 etc. Just as your numbers on India hid the reality on wheat consumption, your data on poverty alleviation in Pakistan probably does too.

Masadi has a valid point. Burden is on you to do the exercise I did above to prove that your numbers are reliable and not just pulled out by googling alone.

Try this link: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/agr_gra_whe_con_percap-grains-wheat-consumptio n-per-capita

Remove any blank spaces inserted by Chowk software, if the above link doesn't work by cut/paste. (It seems to be inserting a blank in consumption just before the letter n.)

or go to the website link you already have, click on Wheat Consumption line, and it gives you the TOTAL consumption (not per capita or per million) in each country with China on top, followed by India. You can divide these numbers by 1000 for India and 160 for Pakistan to get per million consumption, or

Click on per capita tab (next to totals tab) on the page you see.

Then you'll see the per million population consumption numbers as follows: #1 Australia at 308 thousand metric tons, Russia at 270, 000 metric tons....etc etc , then at #10 you'll see Pakistan at 115,000 metric tons and #13 India at 63,000 metric tons.


Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 239

Pakistan's ranking is 7th out 15

PAKISTAN
http://www.nationmaster.com/country/pk-pakistan/agr-agriculture
Wheat consumption
18,750 thousand metric tonnes

INDIA
http://www.nationmaster.com/country/in-india/agr-agriculture
Wheat consumption
69,000 thousand metric tons [4th of 15]

Please explain to me how did you arrive at your per million numbers?

Re: # 237
Anil Sahib, Thanks for the apology, but where is the "inflation" of Pakistani figure here? Per million population wheat consumption of 115,000 metric tons in Pakistan is almost twice as much as 63,000 metric tons in India?

Aren't these the correct figures from the Nationmaster website at http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/agr_gra_whe_con_percap-grains-wheat-consumptio n-per-capita

Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Riaz sahib:

"Re: # 42
Per million population wheat consumption in Pakistan is 115,000 metric tons versus 63,000 metric tons in India."

That is what I am talking about. Still my apologies stand. Please get over it, we all make mistakes.

Re: # 234
Anil Sahib, You have made a false accusation( re lying about the wheat data) against me and persisted in repeating it. I take it very seriously.

If you are a man of honor, I expect you to go through all of my interacts on this subject and prove your allegation or retract it.

Please understand that our argument has been in writing, it's been recorded on Chowk and neither you nor I, as regular user, have the ability to change that record. So you can't compound one false accusation by making another false accusation about me changing any of the interacts.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 233

Riaz sahib:

Let us end it at this. I want to move on.

Re: # 232
unfortunately, you have no interest in truthfulness.
You are being disingenuos as usual.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 225

Riaz sahib:

You are an expert in it. Just change the goal post to per capita from per million.

Re: # 230

Here's another FAO link: http://www.fao.org/docrep/005/Y4252E/y4252e05c.htm
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 219
Majumdar Sahib,
There is no mystery here. In my blog post, I have extensive list of links to FAO, WHO, ag/food books etc on this subject. You can check out the following link:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/agr_gra_whe_con_percap-grains-wheat-consum ptio%20n-per-capita

http://www.riazhaq.com/2009/09/solving-pakistans-sugar-cr isis.html

http://books.google.com/books?id=dBT_LML9wQIC&pg=PA156&lpg= PA156&dq=Per+Capita+milk+consumption+kg+Pakistan&source=bl&ots=HhhZ5 0tQPb&sig=E8BmFq3WT3ZfeM9lbHYFL65HHRY&hl=en&ei=WU2dSsmgO43atgO0gfEs& amp; amp; amp; amp;sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10#v=onepage&q=Per%20Ca pita%20milk%20consumption%20kg%20Pakistan&f=false

http://www.fao.org/docr ep/005/Y4252E/y4252e05c.htm

http://www.illovosugar.com/worldofsugar/internati onalSugarStats.htm

When you try these links, please fix any random spaces in the URLs incorrectly inserted by Chowk software.

Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Riaz sahib: Good point.

Re: # 227
Ahmed Sahib, Unfortunately, you can find anecdotal evidence of hunger and poverty anywhere, even in the United States, where I have seen people picking food from the garbage or sleeping under bridges. Does that mean the American housing figures or wheat, meat, poultry, milk consumption figures are wrong or irrelevant?


Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide