India’s Nuclear Fizzle

i read your very thought provoking article.the danger is not only imminent but senses very close.in this scenario we cannot afford to let go of values that bind humanities with eternity.in your article thank goodness you have not let go of the word education.basic be it, we must use it to make your last line true-
“and creating a tolerant society that respects the rule of law and does not discriminate between citizens”.
let me add ‘respects the rule of law and respects all members of the society’.
the following anecdote, though not at all intense like your article, will help to show how rests our mindset, at which “setting” it will never be able to recognise the enemy within.

I would not like to call it a typical Pakistani phenomenon.i hope not .but it happens in Pakistan.the other day,we were reminescing about how the graduates when they got their PhD, must have felt.when we came to one particular female it was said of her, that as soon as she achieved her PhD degree, she zoomed off into the world of cloud nine.her immediate family, the support of which was squarely placed on her shoulders, welcomed and subscribed to her cloud nine status with adulation.she then wanted adulation/adoration everywhere she went, especially from those who had not done PhD yet, be they her former colleagues/department workers, clients or her previous teachers.she would not tire of mentioning after formal "salam alaek’ that she was a PhD.she now looked down upon her MA University teachers, whose remarks/questions in the “common world of seminars and workshops, she did not bother to even give a thought.saying of one female lecturer who was her guide and mentor in her MA university long forgotten and maybe it did not- happen at all- course, that she had not yet completed her PhD, which she was trying to do in instalments.and asked that she herself must be looked at in comparison-she was a recent PhD!
on many an online group,blogs, when one reads about school/college days.it is heartwarming how full of thanks, warm regard, and nostalgia so many students have about their school, college and university teachers.whatever they are now, they feel they owe a lot to their favorit teachers, in shaping their present self.and yet there are some like these cloud 9, people who forego having such good, warm feelings, the moment they get the highest degree which just turns into a pointer and keeps pointing at their selves.is this in the tru spirit of higher education?or maybe some are born just intractable to the efforts of inculcating such spirit into them, by their dutiful, devoted and self sacrificing teachers.

@ RiazHaq...

I am here to nail your never ending lies...

"Pakistan’s formal social protection system is rated among the worst in Asia. Pakistan’s economy is in serious crisis with opportunity, security, and governance diminishing at alarming rates".

http://www.ifpri.org/event/pakistan-crisis-within-crises

And the source is your own favorite IFPRI my dear......just two months ago that is....

@ RiazHaq...

Here is what it is in Black and white as per India n Pakistan as per poverty and human development Index...

But before this - read what BBC says about this extraordinaire site ("a statistician's dream") and so does and New York Times "astounding and easy to use"....

Human Development Index: India ahead by Pakistan...

Poverty: India (25%) is way ahead of Pakistan (35%)

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_hum_dev_ind-economy-human-develop ment-index

Mull over it....

And yes, next time take your garbage elswhere to dump....

My goodness....The thread is about nuclear physics and here we see lot of mish mash from senior riaz - A self proclaimed PakAlumni Worldwide!

Thats one reason I thought I made a mistke by posting in a thread which could be inappropriate, looking at the caption - India´s nuclear fizzle.....but it seems everything is right - just because Mr. Riaz is butting in every where ad nauseam...Hence I havent made any mistake at all - my rebuttal stands as tall as it was before when released for his consumption..... Mr RH I have a question for you...Although I have a great respect for the like of Abdus salam and Pervez hudhboy, I wanna know if you know any thing about nuclear physics?

If your answer is affirmative - then lets lock horns with each other and see who looks stupid in the end.....

Sorry I posted my comments on wrong thread.....culpa mea...

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Oh thu self proclaimed PakAlumni Worldwide!!!!

This is what your favorite IFPRI says: India’s Integrated Child Development Services program (ICDS), which provides health and nutrition programs for children and pregnant and lactating mothers and is the world’s largest program of its kind, has recently begun using locally produced food instead of imported food aid for its supplementary feeding programs.

http://www.ifpri.org/book-47/node/4925

More: China and India together account for 40 percent of the world’s population. Both have implemented a series of economic reforms in the past two and a half decades: China initiated this process at the end of the 1970s with reforms in the agriculture sector and in rural areas, while India began in the early 1990s by liberalizing and reforming the manufacturing sector. The different reform paths have led to different growth rates and, more importantly, to different rates of poverty reduction. They also have fundamentally different implications for growth and poverty reduction in the future.

Seems like you need a knowledge punishment - but may be not, because you have inbuilt taqiyya.....a form of deception under Islam to fool infidels......

These claims could be used by India as an excuse to conduct more tests.

#339 Posted by RiazHaq on September 10, 2009 6:53:48 pm


I can tell you from my personal experience


you were a bit player on the team...even today, indians are far more successful at intel than any pipsqueak paki like riaz..

let's just put it this way...the intel "rocks stars" commercials won't be featuring riaz anytime..

Re: # 340 Masadi, "they HATE the military"

Not as much as they hate being poor and hungry, which is what is happening now under Zardari as he and his sugar producing colleagues are destroying the economy and profiting from high sugar prices at the expense of ordinary citizens.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

As is quite clear this riazhaq character has nothing, not ONE original thought not ONE rebuttal of all the points I have produced. All he can do is throw out a number and say "the UN said so" then when I show UN stats he says but the Pakistan branch of the UN says that is wrong! Come on who the hell are you trying to fool with this ultra subjectivity in interpretation and the resulting totally biased comparison, certainly not TNITC or the other educated folk here. You are a clerk, one who can copy paste numbers without knowing what they mean, what their use is or what they imply. I can't imagine the damn fool that would give you employment to ruin his or her business

#338 RiazHaq: sham democracy because the military is ruling from behind the scenes. You think the people here are so mypoic that they forget the dictator/US shenanigans in ensuring that these thugs come to the fore just in order to salvage the military- the hope is not in the public face of the civilian leaders but in the unintended consequence of people realizing the BS and ensuring that these military shenanigans fail. You can throw as many stats as you want the people know what affects them in their daily lives and they HATE the military, and this time the military sponsored "stop gap" that manufactures misery and failure will not work to salvage the military either....neither will thugs on the CIA payroll like your illiterate self. What happened till Musharraf left in late 2008 in its momentum will inevitably affect and mark any numbers that emerge in 2009- you on the other hand are detaching it in an illiterate manner just to score points to support your pro military agenda....

Re: # 337
On the question of arguments for and against benchmarks, I can tell you from my personal experience from the microprocessor performance wars that there are no perfect benchmarks.

Even though any one benchmark, particular a composite one like HDI can be misleading, you still need benchmarks to assess how policies, products or technologies are performing. The way to deal with it is to agree on a set of standard benchmarks and then look at the whole benchmark suite to make as good a judgment as possible.

In the case of economic performance of the population at large, the benchmark suite consists of overall economic growth figures, unemployment, inflation, rich-poor gap, daily calorie intake, poverty figures etc to come to reasonable conclusions.

Based on all of these various benchmarks and graphs (some of which I have posted on the gallery, others on my blog at www.riazhaq.com), my conclusion is that Pakistan saw significant and measurable improvement in the lives of the average person in Pakistan during 2000-2008. In addition, a combination of these benchmarks shows that average Pakistanis are better off than an average Indian in terms of the basics such as food, clothing, housing, sanitation etc.

The World Hunger Index of 88 countries published by IFPRI last year ranked India at 66 while Pakistan was slightly better at 61 and Bangladesh slightly worse at 70.

In addition to relatively large sugar and wheat consumption per capita, Pakistanis also consume significantly higher amounts of meat, poultry and milk products than other South Asian nations, getting more protein and almost half their daily, per capita calorie intake from non-food-grain sources, according to FAO data.

In the context of unprecedented economic growth (9-10 percent annually) and national food security, over 60 percent of Indian children are wasted, stunted, underweight or a combination of the above. As a result, India ranks number 62 along with Bangladesh at 67 in the PHI (Poverty Hunger Index)ranking out of a total of 81 countries. Both nations are included among the low performing countries in progress towards MDG1 (Millennium Development Goals) with countries such as Nepal (number 58), Ethiopia (number 60), or Zimbabwe (number 74).

Pakistan ranks well ahead of India at 45 and it is included in the medium performing countries. PHI is a new composite indicator – the Poverty and Hunger Index (PHI) – developed to measure countries’ performance towards achieving MDG1 on halving poverty and hunger by 2015. The PHI combines all five official MDG1 indicators, including a) the proportion of population living on less than US$ 1/day, b) poverty gap ratio, c) share of the poorest quintile in national income or consumption, d) prevalence of underweight in children under five years of age, and d) the proportion of population undernourished.

India might be an emerging economic power, but it is way behind Pakistan, Bangladesh and even Afghanistan in providing basic sanitation facilities, a key reason behind the death of 2.1 million children under five in the country.

Lizette Burgers, chief of water and environment sanitation of the Unicef, recently said India is making progress in providing sanitation but it lags behind most of the other countries in South Asia. A former Indian minister Mr Raghuvansh Prasad Singh told the BBC that more than 65% of India's rural population defecated in the open, along roadsides, railway tracks and fields, generating huge amounts of excrement every day.

Economically resurgent India is witnessing a rapid unfolding of a female genocide in the making across all castes and classes, including the upper caste rich and the educated. The situation is particularly alarming among upper-caste Hindus in some of the urban areas of Punjab, Rajasthan, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh and Madhya Pradesh, specially in parts of Punjab, where there are only 300 girls for every 1,000 boys, according to Laura Turquet, ActionAid's women's rights policy official.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 334
Masadi,
Your beloved PPP leaders, including Zardari, are working hard to prove you right and making you ecstatic by dramatically impoverishing the people pf Pakistan in 2008-09. Let's wait and see what sham democracy delivers when poverty data are compiled and reported for 2008-09.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

So now Riaz believes in stats from professionals. Funny. He was telling us how Goldman's designation of India as part of a BRIC didnt' mean anything.

what's funnier is how he's quoting statistics from 2005 when the paki military cooked the books to show a higher growth rate.

anyhow..if he's so interested in numbers, he should read the world economic forums's global competitiveness report...in which india is miles ahead of pakiland in education and everything else...

Riaz writes "to come to reasonable conclusions. "

As has been amply demonstrated your conclusions are anything but reasonable. If we were to go by them we would conclude that Pakistan is more developed than the USA. Dictatorship has paved the streets of Pakistan with gold and its people are eating healthier and living longer than people in industrialized countries... These are not reasonable conclusions. It is one thing to try to fool people who have not seen what mess Pakistan is, quite another to try to fool people whose daily existence is much worse than if they were dead...such was the state of pakistan left by the dictator, may his brain rot in his skull and may the crows eat his flesh before his dirty soul leaves his body....

Have a nice day

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