The Creeping Menace: Taliban

Re: # 32
Not national, India has an international language. Besides India, Hindi is spoken and understood in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Bhutan, UAE where even the Pathans from Pakistan speak it.

"""" it doesn't even have a national language""""

Answer me the above riddle please, since my pony brain does not understand.

India has a national identity? really? it doesn't even have a national language! The culture, language, race and customs change drastically as one travels from one end of the country to another...but then, what is a country? boundaries sketched on the ground and guarded with blood so politicians can assert their power!

cobra writes "Not true. India has a national identity and that is deeply rooted in it's cultural history"

India has absolutely no national history or identity. This was all a BS creation as part of colonization and later the struggle against colonialism being coopted through nationalism. There are ethnic, linguistic, religious and a myriad of regional differences in India that preclude it forming a "national" identity. The national identity given to India was by the British themselves, as they tried to rob it blind....

Talibanisation is an idea and idea can be defeated by its anti thesis. The anti thesis has to be indoctrinated using Intelligent strategy into the affected people including the foreign terrorists. Talibanisation is a multi faceted phenomenon and multidimensional issue. It has political and military dimension, religeous and ideological dimension, national and ethnic dimension and socio - economic dimension. Military Operation is not the solution to Talibanisation.

The political dimension can be counteracted by giving political rights and freedom to the affected people. The military dimension has roots in unleashing the military interests of the army and intelligence agencies. The military elements of Pakistan have to stop facilitating the terrorists to destabilise Afghanistan and have to detach themselves from the drug money and petro dollars they have been benefitting from in the past.Religeous and ideological dimension should be addressed by anti Wahabi ideology in the form of Nationalism with economic system of socialism. The extreme form of Religion can be counteracted by the extreme form of anti religion.

The national and ethnic aspect of Talibanisation has roots in Arab nationalist interpretation of war. It is not in the national interest of Pakhtuns and other nationalities.Pakhtuns have already lost their reigns of power in Afghanistan due to the domination of Arab ideologues who have a reactionary and non argumentative mentality. The socio economic aspect can only be tackled by the socio economic uplift and development of the affected areas in Pakhtunkhwa and FATA.

Talibanisation is infact based ideologically on the Mawdudi and Khomeini type of scholars.JI's thought is the pro-democratic form of Mawdudi thought while Talibanisation is the revolutionary form of Mawdudi's thought.

The so called ideology of Pakistan, though has failed the test of time with the creation of Bengla Desh,still lives in the hearts and minds of pro-Khilafa and pro-Islamic-system clergy represented by the so called revivalist movements in the sub continent like Tablighi Jumaat, Jumaat Islami,JUI,Tanzeemi Islami and Hizb ut Tahrir etc.

The Punjabi power elite of Pakistan wants to retain the ideology internally to use it for safeguarding their vested interests. That is why those who genuinely believe in its truth have differences with the liberal forces in the power elite .When these elements try to over power their rivals and challenge their political status then the liberal forces of the power elite stand against them.

Similarly the Military believe in the Muslim brotherhood only as far as Muslims of Pakistan are concerned as it is important to retain this notion for them to remain in power. The military and its agencies use the same ideology when it comes to infiltrating and indoctrinating Afghans to destabilise Afghanistan. However when it comes to the interests of military mainly composed of Punjabis they do not care if innocent Afghan children, women and old people loose their lives as a result of their criminal character of hatching conspiracies against Afghans.

While the good part of Talibanisation for the oppressed and poor people in Pakistan is their dismantling of Pakistani state nomenclature and organogram though at a very high price of innocent lives even if it is done at the will of a foreign force, the bad part of Talibanisation is its ideological foundations. Therefore I am of the view that Anti Wahabi version of religion or nationalism based on socialist economic system will help eradicate the ideological basis of Talibanisation.

Masadi sahib:

I have Marx's news reports on this subject and have read them. So please keep your mind open and truly for a change do research and not dismiss like what is "natural law". I know you are a very smart person and honest too. Further I know that you fearlessly speak your mind. A little openness will do wonders.

the paragraph below is a quotation from the link

Anil sahib, you need to read your history

The new British rulers took the already excessive land revenue levels of their predecessors as a starting point, and increased them steeply by re-assessment and more efficient collection. Common to the two main systems of land revenue they introduced – zamindari and ryotwari – was the drive to maximise revenue. Thus even in the latter – in which, theoretically, the cultivator directly confronted the State – parasitic classes developed rights over the surplus, since the cultivator was forced to borrow to make revenue payments. Since land could now be bought and sold, it became a commodity – but of a peculiar type, subject to a heavy rent/revenue. This huge drain from agriculture was also a drain from the country itself, because the land revenue formed the main component of British drain from India. Agriculture, thus drained of its surplus, retrogressed: while agricultural technique remained virtually frozen at the levels of Mughal rule, per capita foodgrains output declined considerably. Peasants had no surplus to invest in maintaining productivity, let alone improving it

http://www.rupe-india.org/44/colonial.html

"Well, I don't have a political background/knowledge, but I have opinions. Pakistan or India don't have any "national identity". Since they are existing as nations, they have to CREATE an identity for themselves. Nationalism is a recent invention."

Not true. India has a national identity and that is deeply rooted in it's cultural history. Pakistan, on the other hand doesn't have an identity, national or otherwise. It's still struggling with that question.

Re: # 8
Well, I don't have a political background/knowledge, but I have opinions. Pakistan or India don't have any "national identity". Since they are existing as nations, they have to CREATE an identity for themselves. Nationalism is a recent invention. It doesn't really make sense to divide geographical areas into "countries" and call them 'nations'. Nations are based neither on culture/religion/language/race or ideologies. They are just geographical convenience for a political body to govern.

It is not clear if Greek 'invented' democracy, but even if they did, it worked for a small geographical area. A city's population can be expected to be involved in local politics but to expect them to be informed and involved in the entire 'country's' politics is ridiculous.

Anyway, so when I said to think in terms of 'Pakistani', I mean create an identity of our (artificial) nation and forget about Ummah. Separate religion (opinion based info) and politics (action based agenda).

When the king and vizier were underground, it rained on their entire kingdom for three days. Everyone got wet and when the king and vizier came out on surface they found that everyone had gone mad as a result. They tried to talk sense to people but they were incurably insane! After several days of trying, vizier suggested that they should pour the rain water on themselves that collected in the vessels of the courtyard and end this madness! There are many intellectuals and thinkers in Pakistan and/or of Pakistani origin. They are silent because they are debating whether they should pour the rain water on themselves too or get out of the country?

*your history.

Re: # 21

Masadi:

Feudals have been from the Moghul times. British used this patronage system of rewarding them with land in return for commitments to provide soldiers. You might like to read you

masadi "feudalism is not an indigineous Pakistani problem" I agree. They were all over in India, few were good among them too. Even today, there are few left in the lawless lands of India, many others are domesticated or reformed. Knowing well, why don't you bump them off, if possible along with other status quo forces. Military of common Pakistanis will be more stronger than that groomed by the feudals, and far intelligent too not to put the population and the country what it did in 1971 and what it is doing now! Taliban would have never creeped in!

Chowkidar: If any, Pakistan has only one genuine problem - feudalism

That is not an indigineous Pakistani problem, the feudals were a colonial construction and their existence was what gave Britian the confidence to leave Pakistan with the firm belief that they will prevent any development of industrialization. As a supplement to that "confidence" they groomed the military to take care of any ZAB types that might arise from their ranks that actually get the mass appeal to challenge the status quo.

Have a nice day,

TNITC masadi

Meenug writes :The Taliban movement is headed by Mullah Mohammed Omar.


No sir the management of the movement and its success and failure is firmly located within the Pentagon whose management of the permanent war economy precludes them from handing over the management of their most significant asset to some Mullah riding a motorbike. If you don't understand this basic fact, you cannot understand anything about this world...

Have a nice day

The Taliban movement is headed by Mullah Mohammed Omar. Mullah Omar's original commanders were a mixture of former small-unit military commanders and madrasah teachers, and the rank and file made up mostly of Afghan refugees who had studied at Islamic religious schools in Pakistan.

The Taliban received valuable training, supplies and arms from the Pakistani government, particularly the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), and many recruits from madrasahs for Afghan refugees in Pakistan, primarily ones established by the Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam.

The Taliban government has been described as "a secret society run by Kandaharis ... mysterious, secretive, and dictatorial." They did not hold elections, as their spokesman explained:

"The Sharia does not allow politics or political parties. That is why we give no salaries to officials or soldiers, just food, clothes, shoes and weapons. We want to live a life like the Prophet lived 1400 years ago and jihad is our right. We want to recreate the time of the Prophet and we are only carrying out what the Afghan people have wanted for the past 14 years".