Waziristan Operation

Re: # 267 My dear chap the day you find something Hindu about the RSS and the BJP please let me know.

Sanatani

And that includes Mr Modi also

Re: # 327 Tahmed

You will be pleasantly surprised to see the support that Pakistan will receive from India in shutting down terrorist organizations in Pakistan, should Pakistan demonstrate the sincerity in clamping down on LeT and JeM. Turkey has never been targeted by Pakistan-based groups. You can be sure that Turkey's response would have been quite different if LeT had killed 161 innocents in Ankara, or had the JeM attempted to lay seige to the Turkish Parliament AND the leaders of the two organizations were still free in Pakistan.

Re: # 326 Tahmed32....ok...got it.

Re: # 321 dm says ""Muslas" did not choose to live in separate neighbourhoods; they were forced by the hindutva brigade to do so"...

What you say could be true in the north India. How about the South India or the Eastern India. Did that separation exist so much or was the Hindu brigade active in those regions also. In Eastern India the Bangladeshi muslims who infiltrated across the border, were indeed poor to live in ghetoos. The segregation in Gujrat happened only after Modi vitiated the environment. Going still in the past during partition, after the rich/creamy layer of the muslims migrated to Pakistan, leaving the poor muslims leaderless, they got marginalised further. The low adoption of modern education is also one of the reasomns for marginalization. The parsis / jains have no significant leadership to represent their interests, but are better educated or always knew better utilization of money, hence were better placed in the society. So there are multiple reasons and not just one reason.

Pew Research (if still around): You may be interested in seeing Prime Minister Erdogan from Turkey did today exactly what I had suggested Prime Minister Manmohan Singh should do in response to repeated calls for moving towards peace from the civilian government (instead of spurning these, thus impressing no one other than Indians for not appearing "soft" with Pakistan).

That is, Erdogan visited Pakistan (like I suggested Manmohan Singh should do) and read his statements below (extract from Dawn).

Pakistan, Turkey can jointly bring peace to region
Monday, 26 Oct, 2009
ISLAMABAD: Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan Monday said Pakistan and Turkey together can bring peace and stability to the entire region through greater cooperation....He said Turkey and Pakistan are two influential and strong countries of the region and would together continue to endeavor to strengthen global peace...‘You are not alone in your campaign against terrorism and extremism,’ he said and mentioned that Turkey too has had suffered heavily from terrorism.

‘In this context, let me underline that both my government and the Turkish people stand by their Pakistani brothers and we are ready to help address all their needs to the best of our abilities.’

(Dawn)

SPY #325 "You can think only on the lines what pak is currently doing or dreams of doing."

Why do you chose to interpret what I wrote here in this negative manner? Do you seriously think that I am dreaming of a nuclear holocaust in India??? Please either get serious, or else lets quit wasting time and go the insane way of Arjun and others from India who think words are a form of ammunition to be hurled at one another, and not a means of communication.

Re: # 323 Tahmed32 says: "I indeed read your "nip in the bud" to indicate India attacking Pakistan - how else would you "nip" any Pakistan-based terrorist groups?"

- You can think only on the lines what pak is currently doing or dreams of doing.
- Ellora#324 has expressed how it can be done the Indian way.
- I was going one step further and looking at the brain/head where the evil had to be nipped and India's security should be strong enough to prevent future Kasabs from dreaming of attempting the adventure again.

Rest all your post, I am not opposed to it, but these do not recognize the real issue or address it. I can give similar examples of good feelings etc. when the Pak singers/actors get involved in bollywood movies or the umpteen Indian TV shows or the IPL/ICL cricket matches. Indian public has also reciprocated all the bonhomie, but it returns to the same starting point when one Kasab or one Kargil is attempted by even a handful of Pakis and then the whole Pak nation/people all vehmently are ready for a tooth and nail fight with India. Nawaz said that everyone in Pakistan knew of Kasab and his deeds, village, but Pak is doing everything possible to deny the legal action from proceeding. So whom do we believe. Similarly all the bonhomie of the increased trade/economics, improved political relations during Rajiv/Benzir, Vajpayee/Sharif goes down the drain by one pak sponsored event. I have no issues and we can go over this cycle of relationships improvement for umpteen times. Britain and France fought wars for centuries but today have very peaceful relations as they do not see themselves in the zero-sum relationship. India-Pak are currently involved in a zero-sum relationship and till that time it is not resolved, we will always go through this cycle. To break this cycle, either India should strengthen its security to deter the Pakis dreaming of it or Pak gives the Jihadi mindset that fires up Kargil/Kasabs etc.

#323: I can't read minds but I had interpreted "nipping in bud" as beefing up security to the point where Kasab like attackers would be interdicted at sea before they could enter civilian areas.

SPY #318: I indeed read your "nip in the bud" to indicate India attacking Pakistan - how else would you "nip" any Pakistan-based terrorist groups?

On your fourth para. (how I can talk peace and nuclear wasteland at the same time), I had tried to make it clear why I can indeed talk of these at the same time when I emphasized the "political and economic imperitives". That is, the nuclear option (or nuclear stalemate) is simply one example of the "political imperitives" I mentioned.

I think the reason you are having difficulty relating the two is because you are equating "peace" with good feelings. What I am saying is "good feelings" have nothing to do with peace.

If such "good feelings" develop due to greater interaction in real life (e.g. for Indians who visited Pakistan to see the cricket matches some time back and were surprised to find that they were met by a friendly, hospitable people who actually applauded the Indian team and booed their own politicians, of policemen who treated them with greater courtesy than their own police in Delhi, and so forth - as opposed to one eyed-monsters with the angel Gabriel perched on their shoulders) that is fine. But it is totally irrelevant to what I am talking about when I refer to the political and economic imperitives.

Hope the above provides the explanation you were looking for.

Re: # 264 tahmed32: "i have trouble figuring out what my cat is thinking."

Good one...LOL

Re: # 312

Both you and nkg are wrong. "Muslas" did not choose to live in separate neighbourhoods; they were forced by the hindutva brigade to do so. Even prominent Muslims and middle class muslims have been forced to leave mixed areas. They are refused places to rent or purchase by hindu gujaratis in the better areas of Ahmedabad.

arjun: this post is a charity peanut for you. now jumpee jumpee and do the backflipee.

Re: # 316 nkg says: "I have seen muslas living in mixed areas and they behave perfecty like human...we need to give them opprtunity..."

Perfectly said. When you have yourself seen it working, why not give same opportunity to the remaining ones to integrate.

Why worry about what is happening in the rest of the world. That is none of our concern.

Re: # 315 Tahmed32: I appreciate your views of the second para.

We still have differences on the first para. You re-read my response in #272 (GHQ attack). I have never said anything about India invading Pakistan. The words "Nip in the bud" have clearly different meaning for us. Either you did not read and understand it fully/correctly OR you realise, resent that such capability by the Indians would make the future Kasabs/Kargils attempts by your countrymen difficult.

Your re-iteratement of the Pak capability indicates an intent to "destroy a blossomed flower". What are the real reasons that fire the Kasabs to do Mumbai26/11 and you to make such statements that I am sure you/Pak knows better and fix it. Compare this to my "nip in the bud the sinister plan" for self-protection from a known enemy. Secondly you must get real about the Pak capability as it could not prevent India from evicting your forces from kargil.

You come out more like a bully who is neither willing to set his house in order (i.e. rope in the Pak terrorists from conducting future India attacks), but threaten the neighbour (India) with muscle power (nuclear capabilities and wasteland consequences) and still talk of peace, friendship. You cannot talk all these at the same time, unless you come out clearly on each of them individually.

Note: I have observed you drag me into many issues where I have no opinion but you remain silent to many direct queries that I have posted to you in past.

#315 Posted by tahmed32 on October 26, 2009 3:52:05 am


I reminded you of Pakistan's military capacity


yes prophetboy..we all saw pakiland's military capability when pakiland attacked india in kargil...and how the paki army, which had control of the heights, fled leaving behind the bodies of it's soldiers...

Re: # 312
SPY
Musla ghettoes, called mini-pakistans, are source of problem accross India and should be elsewhere too...The Friday afternoon prayer ( so called) is most dangerous stuff to humanity...They will listen to the bedu gangster's theory, which often propagates violence....it will follow musla outrage over the how erstwhile musla land of India, China, Japan, South America, North America is now ruled by Kufrs and resultant buring of flag and throwing of stone, brick...next will definitely Kashmir, Palestine, Checheniya....for the sake of law and order, we need to keep these beasts in isolation; sort of domestication...I have seen muslas living in mixed areas and they behave perfecty like human...we need to give them opprtunity...

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