Lavishly Citrus

Hmmm...mixed feelings to see this one posted.

Re: nighat

``Through the Paki grapevine, I`ve found that Kamran (not his real name, I`m told) may live in Florida or Georgia maybe. I think Rubina is 100% fictitious...what Pakistani girl sends x-rated cards to her prospective mate? Oh...also heard that he`s vacationing in California somewhere and doesn`t log-on on vacations so probably doesn`t even know his article`s posted. Am I good or what? Did I come close, Kamran?``

You`re not even close, Nighat. I was in California this week for business. Not vacation. ;) A pity though since my work was in Carmel, one of the most romantic places in this country.

Man, did I eat well....I had totally forgotten just how wonderful California restaurants are.

Re: EK

``kamran did u really live in mt. view? i live there and i know that bookstore.``

In fact, I worked in Mountain View (my office was on Castro Street) and lived in downtown San Francisco. Until last year. Printer`s is a great, little bookstore, isn`t it?

-!Kamran Akhtar!-

kamran did u really live in mt. view? i live there and i know that bookstore.

Re: star

mucho gracia amigo!

Re: Daring # 30

Let me see if I got the gist of your post. If I misread, I am sorry and just ignore this post! :)

If you think that I am comparing myself to whites, that is a pipe dream and I do not have the time to engage in that non-sense.

Do I want them to accept me; sure, but for who I am and what I want to be. Do I think I am superior to them? Yes; in some cases I do! If they want to feel superior to me, they can go right ahead and act smug, because this is a free country and everyone has a right to be a moron!

Will they accept me? No, but then again that is their problem and not mine. I am not here to please them or anyone, but to get on with my own life as best as I can. My friend, life is too short to worry about who likes us and who hates us and what we should be doing and how we should do it.

In my experince, the key to assimilation in America or elsewhere is telling these idiots to take their silly self-important opinions and put it, where the sun does not shine. Remember, if you act the victim, you will end up as the victim.
The soul of America, and an American, is based and sustained by individualism and that is the creed to have to follow to be a part of this country; be yourself, because if you are not, then you are just an imposter pretending to someone else and only person you are fooling is yourself!

What was Polonius` advice to his departing son:``..above all else, be true to thy own self``

Ciao!

RE: Ferozk

Right on target... some people think that just because they have Aryan blood, they are superior. Like the Sikhs.. ok so I accept that they must be descendants of Aryans, but that was like hundreds of years ago.... they still think they are superior or something than the rest of the Indians...... and the Pendos...... who think they are also the same. Ok so you consider yourself white, but would the real white accept you as white? try to make a believer out of them.

Well said Star, well said... correct me if I am wrong, but I don;t think you are Desi. Hey by the way, real nice article to read.. nothing against the article. By the way, nighat, why can`t Rubian exist? if American girls can do that, why can`t FOB paki girls?

Wow. I`m totally taken in by Rubina & kamran. Great character development through dialogue.

Re: Daring and Star

My point was ABCDs growing up in this country when they face assimilation problems it is with the mainstream white culture. Just because, despite changing demographics, it is the white culture that dominates (and will continue to for some time) the social, political and economic life here. How you get from this statement of fact, to the notion that I some how view whites as superior is beyond me. Not being an ABCD and planning on eventually returning to Pakistan (just because I like it better), I really don`t think I can be classified as one of those types. As for acting uppity; that nonsense has always been said of people that are successful in foreign cultures. Thus you have blacks who attack successful blacks for ``acting white``. It is precisely this ability to assimilate in to mainstream culture that has allowed some Indian/Pakistani immigrants to do spectacularly well in this country. I also fail to understand why it is that I should have more in common with Blacks and Hispanics than with Whites. If we were to share some cultural characteristics with any of the three (not that we really do) I would say it would be with the goras; after all they we did interact with them for a couple of hundred years. Once again I was never arguing for the superiority of the white culture; I was merely pointing outs its dominance in this country.

Re: nighat

``what Pakistani girl sends x-rated cards to her prospective mate? ``

then again, what prompts a Pakistani girl to dig up some desis background merely on the basis of one article? :)

Faraz

Re: Star # 23

Correct me, if I am wrong, but did not duBois suggest an economical social approach to the problem of blacks, but gave up in the end, because Jim Crow was not interested in, as you suggested, ``accepting`` the blacks into the mainstream (white)society?

In my opinion, Branch Ricky, the mangager of Brooklyn Dodgers, did more for social parity of blacks in America, when he signed Jackie Robinson as a player; the first black to play baseball in the majors. Martin Luther King, Jr. and Malcolm X might have given the blacks political rights, but it was Robinson who really broke the color barrier in America and forced the white society to accept the blacks as equal, first on the playing field, and then later in America in general. Robinson also gave a headach to the followers of Nathan Bedford Forrest: the Klu Klux Klan from which they have never recovered!

The real acceptance in American society lies through its popular sports and then through politics.

In the case of Pakistanis stranded on these foreign shores, the trick is not being white or brown, but being colorless. It is true that demographically speaking America may not be white; it will be without color, because of the inter-racial marriages that will one day erase all notions of color by making everyone the same. The younger generation is going to be more color blind despite their parents` prejudices, because the future of the world will determined by information mobility, not by color, and that is an equal opportunity concept.

Thats why I love the internet, because it is blind to color and judges people on their merits, which is the first step in the complete empowerment of all as equals. (As soon as we can overcome the information gap between the elites and the disadvantage in the poor nations of the world.)

Incidently, here is a little triva for all you folks out there. Next time you run into some of these white ayran bigots, just remind them that the root of the word ``ayran`` comes from the Ariana Mountain range in Iran and true ayrans are the Iranians, a mutation of the word ``arian``, which the Greek historian Herodotus, travelling with Alexander`s army, used to describe the people who lived in that region.

Why do think Hitler, the apostle of racial purity, dispatched German doctors to region to determine the characterists of a true aryan and why the Shah of Iran was so pro German! People, we have more ayran bloodlines than most of the people who pretend to aryans in this land!

Great fun! Thanks for that second piece. Wierder things have happened in real life.

Re: aziz and daring

Through the Paki grapevine, I`ve found that Kamran (not his real name, I`m told) may live in Florida or Georgia maybe. I think Rubina is 100% fictitious...what Pakistani girl sends x-rated cards to her prospective mate? Oh...also heard that he`s vacationing in California somewhere and doesn`t log-on on vacations so probably doesn`t even know his article`s posted.

Am I good or what? Did I come close, Kamran?

;) nighat ;)

I dont know what is worse....whining about ``f#$%% up whites`` (as many of you so eloquently put it) or ``f#$%@ up`` pakis whining about fellow about ``f$$$$$ up`` pakis idolising ``f%$%$%$@# up whites``

The tolerance level is flattering....

Senor Faraz, you must be living in a different country.... America is fast changing, even the corporate climate! That is what I am trying to say, that fucked up Pakis just look at one thing, white and that is all... nothing else.. they look up to the white people... as if they are gods... they are fucked up morons............

Faraz:

How about keeping your comments limited to the story. If you like the story, go ahead and say so. If others do not like it, let them express their opinions.

There is no point in calling anyone names just because they do not agree with your point of view, on this story.

RE: AmirM

I will tell you what they are, they are bunch of FOBs who came here when they were about 15 and 12, and were totally overwhelmed by the openness and the sex, since the poor souls had been deprived of these since the beginnig. They had never seen white people, and were totally blown off after seeing them. So they decided that the only way we can be their friends, and get accepted was that they both act like ABCDs and talk bad about Pakistan and Pakistanis. senor Kamran, if you think that you are the coolest Paki, and that talking to girls and having a bunch of white friends, and making a six figure salary makes you cool, think again, there are lots better...............

Chill and peace.

Re: All the whiners

Would you please get off you soap boxes. If you don`t like the story fine, but do you have to imply that everything has to have a deeper meaning? In my opinion chowk needs some light hearted stuff every now then, some residents have a tendency to get big heads. And to the person who had to mention something about ``# * * * * *-up Pakis think[ing] that America is all about white people``? You must be living on a different planet, America is primarily a white country. Yings and Yangs notwithstanding. The primary cultural conflict most ABCDs feel growing up is with the Joe Schmoe/Apple pie culture, and not with Jose Martinez/beef burrito.

Re: Kamran

please keep us posted.

Faraz