Temporal July 9, 1999
#8 Posted by jrspringer on July 13, 1999 12:03:38 am
While taking a pragmatic view towards the problems between India & Pakistan, and proposing sections of society to cleanse, the author forgets that there are fundamental idealogical differences between the two countries that cannot be reconciled easily.
In the last 50 years, Pakistan has failed to carve out an identity for itself that does not involve India. Only when Pakistan can see and describe itself in complete isolation from India can we hope to reconcile the differences between the two countries.
In the last 50 years, Pakistan has failed to carve out an identity for itself that does not involve India. Only when Pakistan can see and describe itself in complete isolation from India can we hope to reconcile the differences between the two countries.
#7 Posted by kamran9999 on July 13, 1999 12:03:38 am
``Their existential raison d`etre survives on profligating this hatred.``
The word you`re looking for, I believe, is ``proliferating`` (perpetuating, promoting, increasing in numbers) not ``profligating`` (profligate means excessive, self-indulgent behaviour...progligatING is not a word).
-!Kamran!-
The word you`re looking for, I believe, is ``proliferating`` (perpetuating, promoting, increasing in numbers) not ``profligating`` (profligate means excessive, self-indulgent behaviour...progligatING is not a word).
-!Kamran!-
#6 Posted by sharayar on July 12, 1999 8:28:57 am
re:Fairdinkum
ever heard of neo-colonialism and neo-Imperialism?????
MNC`s are one very handy and effective way and means of perpetuation, subjugation and dependecy...and that vicious circle of poverty which has strangled us only gives them riches...while we sweat and fret....the LDC`s..
ever heard of neo-colonialism and neo-Imperialism?????
MNC`s are one very handy and effective way and means of perpetuation, subjugation and dependecy...and that vicious circle of poverty which has strangled us only gives them riches...while we sweat and fret....the LDC`s..
#5 Posted by fairdinkum on July 12, 1999 2:50:16 am
Good effort ikbal! I appreciate your sincerity, and concern for the people of sub-continent.
However, please don`t blame the multinationals or any other outside force / power for what is really sub-continents own doing.
In my humble opinion ``Economic Stagnation`` is the biggest problem that sub-continent faces at the moment.
We are trapped in a vicious cycle of poverty my friend. The only, and perhaps the quickest way out is to attract foreign investment. And guess who will do that?
None other than your evil multinationals....and thats just a fact of life.
Revolution, Evolution, Grass root awareness, Education of masses etc. etc. - None of that will succeed unless that cycle of poverty is broken first.
Thats my opinion anyway.
However, please don`t blame the multinationals or any other outside force / power for what is really sub-continents own doing.
In my humble opinion ``Economic Stagnation`` is the biggest problem that sub-continent faces at the moment.
We are trapped in a vicious cycle of poverty my friend. The only, and perhaps the quickest way out is to attract foreign investment. And guess who will do that?
None other than your evil multinationals....and thats just a fact of life.
Revolution, Evolution, Grass root awareness, Education of masses etc. etc. - None of that will succeed unless that cycle of poverty is broken first.
Thats my opinion anyway.
#4 Posted by Ikbal Khan on July 12, 1999 2:50:16 am
Re: Godot # 1:
Mirza Ghalib wrote in a letter to Alauddin Ahmed Khan Alaai, `` Wallah mera kalam, Hindi ya Farsi kooch meray paas nahiN hay. Aaagay jou kooch haaf`zay maiN maujood thaa woh likh bhaija. Ab jou kooch yaad aagaya, woh likhtaa hooN.``
This is taken from Khatoot-e-Ghalib as compiled by Ghulam Rasool Mehr, published by Shaikh Ghulam Ali & Sons, fourth ed,1968, page 67, lines 5 & 6.
MIK
Mirza Ghalib wrote in a letter to Alauddin Ahmed Khan Alaai, `` Wallah mera kalam, Hindi ya Farsi kooch meray paas nahiN hay. Aaagay jou kooch haaf`zay maiN maujood thaa woh likh bhaija. Ab jou kooch yaad aagaya, woh likhtaa hooN.``
This is taken from Khatoot-e-Ghalib as compiled by Ghulam Rasool Mehr, published by Shaikh Ghulam Ali & Sons, fourth ed,1968, page 67, lines 5 & 6.
MIK
#3 Posted by Najib on July 10, 1999 7:19:41 pm
Ref: Godot
You said it was news to you that Ghalib wrote in Hindi. Well, what does `Hindi` mean, anyway? Anything that belongs to `Hind` is Hindi. Well, Ghalib did write in Hindi. By the way, if you thought he wrote in Urdu (which borrows its grammar from Hindi language and vocabulary from both Hindi and Farsi) and is an Indian (or Hindi) language. Yes, some Pakistanis also speak Urdu, but the language is Indian (just as Americans or Australians speak English but the language is British or of England).
#2 Posted by ferozk on July 10, 1999 3:11:02 pm
Re: Ikbal Khan
An excellent article on an oft forgotten issue.
You have certainly put your finger on the pulse of a sick and dying patient and you have identified the sickness, which ails him. If I could take this a step further, the fever (problems) chart (situation) of the patient (subject) is serious and the moderates (doctors) are the only people who can help with the prognosis.
This article reminded me of what Edmund Burke once said on the eve of the French Revolution: ``evil succeds not, because good men do it, but because they do nothing to stop it!``
The other quote this article brings to mind is what Robert Kennedy said on April 4, 1968 upon hearing the news that Martin Luther King, Jr. was assasinated. That year he was campainging for the presidency and he was in the deep south, when he heard the news. Against his advisors` wishes, he had his car stopped at a side of the road, where there was a crowd of black voters. He shared his thoughts about MLK with them and ended his eulogy with the words of the ancient Greeks:
``Let us go out and tame the savage nature of men and make gentle the life of this world.``
I agree with you a hundred percent; keep up the flame and never call retreat and may your battle cry be: sic semper tryannius - death to the tyrants!
An excellent article on an oft forgotten issue.
You have certainly put your finger on the pulse of a sick and dying patient and you have identified the sickness, which ails him. If I could take this a step further, the fever (problems) chart (situation) of the patient (subject) is serious and the moderates (doctors) are the only people who can help with the prognosis.
This article reminded me of what Edmund Burke once said on the eve of the French Revolution: ``evil succeds not, because good men do it, but because they do nothing to stop it!``
The other quote this article brings to mind is what Robert Kennedy said on April 4, 1968 upon hearing the news that Martin Luther King, Jr. was assasinated. That year he was campainging for the presidency and he was in the deep south, when he heard the news. Against his advisors` wishes, he had his car stopped at a side of the road, where there was a crowd of black voters. He shared his thoughts about MLK with them and ended his eulogy with the words of the ancient Greeks:
``Let us go out and tame the savage nature of men and make gentle the life of this world.``
I agree with you a hundred percent; keep up the flame and never call retreat and may your battle cry be: sic semper tryannius - death to the tyrants!
#1 Posted by Godot on July 10, 1999 2:35:01 pm
There is nothing original in this article. As usual, blame the western capitalism and the companies representing it for all the ills of the subcontinent. Blah, blah, blah, blah.... It`s cowardly, and an easy way out, to blame someone else for your problems that are your own doing.
``Ghalib`s Hindi``? It is news to me that Ghalib wrote in Hindi!
``Ghalib`s Hindi``? It is news to me that Ghalib wrote in Hindi!
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