Temporal March 5, 2000
#1 Posted by farangi_kush on November 30, 1999 12:00:00 am
temporal:
Milay na phool tho kanton sey dosto kur lee
Naey janum kee tamanaa may khud kushee kr lee.
(when flowers we couldn`t find,we embraced the thorns
In our desire for a new birth,we committed suicide)
Your frustrations at the plight of the ummah is very commendable but perhaps you might find peace if someone other than non-mullahs or non-neem-mullahs become your mentors.
Believe me most of our foreign-influenced people have this notion that they are learned people--- especially on Islam--& that there is no one brighter than them.Their knowledge is generally acquired from sources which can best be described as as a ``Dummies`` guide to Islam.It is strange that they are reluctant to offer opinions on lesser complex subjects like law,science,& medicine----maybe because they cannot practise it without license.I might suggest you start by consulting someone who is a recognised stalward both in the farangi and Islamic learning.Sometimes it helps to ask the right sources---only the desire to understand has to be there.
Amit`s comments are very apt.It is difficult to figure out which side you are on.In my humble opinion it is never a good idea to try to mix and match scholarship with fictionalised `literature`.This gives one an excuse to say `yaar,maen tho mazaque kr raha tha`.
Milay na phool tho kanton sey dosto kur lee
Naey janum kee tamanaa may khud kushee kr lee.
(when flowers we couldn`t find,we embraced the thorns
In our desire for a new birth,we committed suicide)
Your frustrations at the plight of the ummah is very commendable but perhaps you might find peace if someone other than non-mullahs or non-neem-mullahs become your mentors.
Believe me most of our foreign-influenced people have this notion that they are learned people--- especially on Islam--& that there is no one brighter than them.Their knowledge is generally acquired from sources which can best be described as as a ``Dummies`` guide to Islam.It is strange that they are reluctant to offer opinions on lesser complex subjects like law,science,& medicine----maybe because they cannot practise it without license.I might suggest you start by consulting someone who is a recognised stalward both in the farangi and Islamic learning.Sometimes it helps to ask the right sources---only the desire to understand has to be there.
Amit`s comments are very apt.It is difficult to figure out which side you are on.In my humble opinion it is never a good idea to try to mix and match scholarship with fictionalised `literature`.This gives one an excuse to say `yaar,maen tho mazaque kr raha tha`.
#2 Posted by alfajr on November 30, 1999 12:00:00 am
The Prophet(saw) said while making tawaf around the kaba one day, ``How honoured are you in the sight of Allah but one drop of Muslim blood is worth more to Allah than the Kaba and all that surrounds it.``
#3 Posted by carl-bill on November 30, 1999 12:00:00 am
hmmmmmmmmmmm............let it sink in b4 i comment.............
by the way, what does the author wish to state.........when he writes that multan is in jinnahabad??
but it was a refreshing taste....the article..i mean
by the way, what does the author wish to state.........when he writes that multan is in jinnahabad??
but it was a refreshing taste....the article..i mean
#4 Posted by Naqshbandi on November 30, 1999 12:00:00 am
Imaginative and well written...but complete rubbish!
This will never happen for many reasons:
1. By the 2020s a host of other Muslim countries will have nukes--notably Iran. Pakistan`s missile capability by then will definitely be able to reach Israel (if not further) and Iran could even hit the US by then (accordingto CIA reports Iran, India, possibly Pakistan and other countries will have ICBM capability within 10-20 years.)
therefore
2. If Israel ever thought of bombing Makkah and Madina Shareef, the result would be WW3. The Muslim states would nuke Israel out of existence (and lob a few at the US too) and obviously the US and Israel would retaliate...ww3 results, billions dead.
If you don`t think Muslims would use nukes over this issue then you are mistaken--the Blessed Cities are central to Islamic identity and all Muslims of whatever sect/group hold them dear...
However, I`m sure that the Yahudis have probably thought about such an idea...
#5 Posted by ylh on November 30, 1999 12:00:00 am
Whats with you anyway? I mean pessimism is one thing ... ridiculous is another....
and more than anything else I take offense to you calling Pakistan Jinnahabad ....
and more than anything else I take offense to you calling Pakistan Jinnahabad ....
#6 Posted by ylh on November 30, 1999 12:00:00 am
You are damn right Muslims would use the Nukes for the Holy cities .....
#7 Posted by faraz on November 30, 1999 12:00:00 am
Not sure what to make of this, might make an interesting book. The folks who think Israel would get nuked are out of there minds. After Mecca and Medina, the holiest site is Jerusalem...in Israel. Also, any nuking of Israel would also kill a lot of Palestinians as well Israelis. Thus while Israel has plenty of security concerns, I really don`t think a Muslim country dropping the bomb on them is of them
#8 Posted by hamidm on November 30, 1999 12:00:00 am
Maybe I am simply getting stupid and senile in my old age ........ I just don`t get the point.
Lets see : a crazy Israeli pilot bombs Mecca and the Haj is moved to Las Vegas for a few years .... Saudi Arabia`s last king was a pervert and the new prsident is an idiot ...... Pakistan changes its name to Jinnahabad...... another Akbar is born and then quickly dispatched, leaving Din-i-Elahi II in limbo......
..... I still don`t get it!
Lets see : a crazy Israeli pilot bombs Mecca and the Haj is moved to Las Vegas for a few years .... Saudi Arabia`s last king was a pervert and the new prsident is an idiot ...... Pakistan changes its name to Jinnahabad...... another Akbar is born and then quickly dispatched, leaving Din-i-Elahi II in limbo......
..... I still don`t get it!
#9 Posted by friend on November 30, 1999 12:00:00 am
Bhai temporal (with a small t),
Story kaa koi sir-per to hona chahiye. Kya aapne koi sensational nowal likhne ki thani hai?
Apka friend
Story kaa koi sir-per to hona chahiye. Kya aapne koi sensational nowal likhne ki thani hai?
Apka friend
#10 Posted by SameerJB on November 30, 1999 12:00:00 am
t, I can see you have already been hit with couple of fatwas. By the time this article is to be archived, you will be well fatwa-ed based on a well-written fictional account of your fears and your alter ego desiring to contribute; albeit radical reformation.
Your article reminds me of Hapsburg prince assassination in Sarajevo to start the Ist World War. I also think of Gore Vidal, predicting ultimate union of caucasians against the orientals, much before Samuel Huntington`s thesis. Did you come up with the idea of CAR independently?
In my opinion, there is no real chance of Israel, attacking Ka`aba because there are no monetary or political gains by any such attack. It is actually much better for Israel and the west to keep Muslims as ritualistcally Islamic as possible. They all want to have a certain segment of the population more illiterate, unruly, poor, dumb, stupid and highly religious as a source of cheap labor, markets for below standard (B category) goods and people ready to lay down their lives as in the case of slaves, flocks or a horde, for their western masters (obviously in the name of God, as in Afghanistan). A smart US or Israeli policy would actually be to offer free green color laser lights focused on Ka`aba. They should help Saudi Arabia in erecting state-of-the-art tent city with full facilities to bring as many hajis as possible through cheap chartered flights. This is the fastest way to bankrupt old and vulnerable folks from the poor African and Asian nations including Pakistan.
The chances of a downfall of Saudi monarchy are real. The idea of a dynamic and not static ka`aba is probably too imaginative.
Your article reminds me of Hapsburg prince assassination in Sarajevo to start the Ist World War. I also think of Gore Vidal, predicting ultimate union of caucasians against the orientals, much before Samuel Huntington`s thesis. Did you come up with the idea of CAR independently?
In my opinion, there is no real chance of Israel, attacking Ka`aba because there are no monetary or political gains by any such attack. It is actually much better for Israel and the west to keep Muslims as ritualistcally Islamic as possible. They all want to have a certain segment of the population more illiterate, unruly, poor, dumb, stupid and highly religious as a source of cheap labor, markets for below standard (B category) goods and people ready to lay down their lives as in the case of slaves, flocks or a horde, for their western masters (obviously in the name of God, as in Afghanistan). A smart US or Israeli policy would actually be to offer free green color laser lights focused on Ka`aba. They should help Saudi Arabia in erecting state-of-the-art tent city with full facilities to bring as many hajis as possible through cheap chartered flights. This is the fastest way to bankrupt old and vulnerable folks from the poor African and Asian nations including Pakistan.
The chances of a downfall of Saudi monarchy are real. The idea of a dynamic and not static ka`aba is probably too imaginative.
#11 Posted by aikrindd on November 30, 1999 12:00:00 am
Wow! Style a al Rushdie? I like. The dropping of the robe coinciding with the bomb... a youth of holy lineage basking in the blissfully immoral slumber of the west and immediately sparked awake... a startled General unknowingly placed on a vacant throne (courtesy of media?)... a brilliant recluse driven to destruction on reasoning only the depths of history`s subconsciousness can reveal... the `la plus des chose change, la plus elle reste les memes`(?) of the Muslim Ulema... and the flicker of hope/light inevitably extinguished. And life continues on. What? No qiamet? No end of all and everything? Kufr lives on? Did you forget something? :)
#12 Posted by Assad_K on November 30, 1999 12:00:00 am
Next submission: Isaac Asimov`s SF & Fantasy magazine? :-) Certainly a more topical version of Heinlein`s future history.. or is the Gibsonesque near-future more your role? I`d recommend expansion and publication - we need more Muslims (heck, Pakistanis - why not?) writing SF/Fantasy, and if there`s social commentary, so much the better.
#13 Posted by zeejah on November 30, 1999 12:00:00 am
A very interesting piece, interesting and thought provoking.
It is a dark thought .. rituals will always win against the spirit of Islam ... but from wot we see about us, i suppose that is wot we can expect?
It is a dark thought .. rituals will always win against the spirit of Islam ... but from wot we see about us, i suppose that is wot we can expect?
#14 Posted by amit on November 30, 1999 12:00:00 am
Temporal Sahib,
Good Lord !! You have some imagination. I am still trying to fathom if your article reflects a sense of fatalism about Islam vs. the rest of the world, or is it a hope for a different kind of Islam ? I hope it is not the former because, in spite of all the sound and fury, the Islamic world is actually changing quite rapidly. The middle east is moving towards a peace accord. The focus in these countries is on education and economics. Look at Iran. There has been a revolution there with the people wanting an open, free society. Central asian nations are also focussed on their development. The only bad apples are Aghanistan and certain sections of Pakistan, in the sense that they want to travel backwards in time. Otherwise, the situation is not that bad.
#15 Posted by temporal on March 6, 2000 6:50:45 pm
Amit: #1
Thanks. Hopefully, I am hopeful.
Now what it this sahib bit? Small ‘t’ temporal is fine.
regards
t
CHOWK STAFF:
Kindly change the T to a t. Was, am and hopefully, will remain a small t temoporal.
Thanks. Hopefully, I am hopeful.
Now what it this sahib bit? Small ‘t’ temporal is fine.
regards
t
CHOWK STAFF:
Kindly change the T to a t. Was, am and hopefully, will remain a small t temoporal.
#16 Posted by temporal on March 6, 2000 6:56:18 pm
F-K #2
Tch tch tch! You could have done better. I was expecting your usual cleverly venomous, hotair diatribes against real and perceived enemies of the living legend of F--K in your mind. But this? Chi chi chi.!
Please say something about the story in your usual prickishly hateful way. Pick it apart, comment on poor English usage, blow the plot apart or pick a line from it and let it go through your distorted mind-prism. I would neither mind nor comment.
And your farcial pseudo attempts to meander through my mind, reflecting on my mentors, do not belong here. Please go to my dargah page and do it there.
KaheeN aisa tou naheeN hai, b’qaul Chuchaa.......”mood’dua anqaa hay apnay aalam-e-taqrir ka”?
regards
temporal
Tch tch tch! You could have done better. I was expecting your usual cleverly venomous, hotair diatribes against real and perceived enemies of the living legend of F--K in your mind. But this? Chi chi chi.!
Please say something about the story in your usual prickishly hateful way. Pick it apart, comment on poor English usage, blow the plot apart or pick a line from it and let it go through your distorted mind-prism. I would neither mind nor comment.
And your farcial pseudo attempts to meander through my mind, reflecting on my mentors, do not belong here. Please go to my dargah page and do it there.
KaheeN aisa tou naheeN hai, b’qaul Chuchaa.......”mood’dua anqaa hay apnay aalam-e-taqrir ka”?
regards
temporal
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