Urstruly July 29, 2000
#9 Posted by slink on July 31, 2000 2:51:57 am
a well written and interesting pitch, but i think sadhana pointed out an important omission. assuming money is power, the west is not the only one with vested interests in TWC. where do arab nations fit in?
#8 Posted by fairdinkum on July 31, 2000 2:40:24 am
Urstruly,
A well thought out, and well written article… Your piece is not merely an intellectual exercise, but a brave attempt at presenting the big picture as you see it. In terms of its content, not surprising… We had it coming didn’t we? :) I think you oversimplify a few things vis a vis globalisation, and I don’t agree with some of your views, and conclusions. However, I do appreciate the effort. I liked the chow-e-bay roz garan analogy.
A more detailed response later.
A well thought out, and well written article… Your piece is not merely an intellectual exercise, but a brave attempt at presenting the big picture as you see it. In terms of its content, not surprising… We had it coming didn’t we? :) I think you oversimplify a few things vis a vis globalisation, and I don’t agree with some of your views, and conclusions. However, I do appreciate the effort. I liked the chow-e-bay roz garan analogy.
A more detailed response later.
#6 Posted by ShahbazC on July 30, 2000 6:36:11 pm
A very informative article. I like the fact that it is not a rant about globalization but a rant with some explanations behind it. Once again, I wonder if someone could recommend a good book about the subject.
#5 Posted by sadna on July 30, 2000 6:05:52 pm
oops. The second para first sentence should read:
Just want to draw attention to those movements toward `globalization` which are NOT examined within the same paradigm by the West, but deserve our(mainly the subcontinent`s) urgent attention as it effects us quite as much as any other globalization.
The author seems to make the case that promotion by foreign-funded institutions(run by Pakistanis) of `secular ideology` is with malafide intentions toward Pakistan`s longterm national interest, while calmly ignoring the the possibility of similar malafide intentions of those who propagate nonsecular `ideologies` also at nonPakistani`s costs.
Sadhana
#4 Posted by sadna on July 30, 2000 5:54:22 pm
Interesting article, comprehensive in a sense but has the slight flaw in that its `reactionary` to perspectives which have been brought out in the open, mostly by guess who, mostly the (admittedly) `sanitizing` Western media and Western political debate.
Just want to draw attention to those movements toward `globalization` which are examined within the same paradigm by the West, but deserve our(mainly the subcontinent`s) urgent attention as it effects us quite as much as any other globalization. I mean the globalization of the Ummah, which operates in just such a Chowk-e-Beroz-Gaar`an in this region. How can only NGOs be held accountable for their international agendas when the effects of other international capital(namely overseas Ummah/sect-linked funding) supporting other agendas are ignored even when they play a much more important role in a country`s internal political and civic culture?
Sadhana
#3 Posted by hamidm on July 30, 2000 10:57:33 am
............. while temporal sleeps , the cyber genie strikes again .....
temporal, temporal, where art thou ...... wee what they doest to thine language, or is it thy .... now I goest to see what ole Bill Saffire has to say about this and that .......
temporal, temporal, where art thou ...... wee what they doest to thine language, or is it thy .... now I goest to see what ole Bill Saffire has to say about this and that .......
#2 Posted by krashid on July 30, 2000 10:57:33 am
Urstruly!
What is the solution.
As you know beggars are not choosers.
Have you ever thought of alternative economy in the form of Interest free banking, Malaysia is one of its pioneers.
Have you ever heard of Ayah that if WE (God) would not replace one nation with another (or something like that) then world would be full of tyranny (Zulm).
What is the solution.
As you know beggars are not choosers.
Have you ever thought of alternative economy in the form of Interest free banking, Malaysia is one of its pioneers.
Have you ever heard of Ayah that if WE (God) would not replace one nation with another (or something like that) then world would be full of tyranny (Zulm).
#1 Posted by BG on July 30, 2000 9:12:00 am
urstruly, great article. its wonderful to see something that (i wont mention what) being written on chowk. its more wonderful to see a perspective that is critical of globalization - a rarity anywhere, and certainly on chowk.
a few comments/questions:
1. i would add that the US is explicitly at the helm of the new world order. and the iraq war was also about establishing its supremacy vis-a-vis its G7 allies.
2. i found your take on NGO`s pretty interesting and can certainly see how they are importers/exporters (depending on their location) of western ideology. certainly western labor and human rights groups are extremely imperialistic in the way they go about telling the rest of the world how they should lead their lives. what about more grass roots struggles like sindhiani tehreek and the narmada bachao andolan? are there no truly indigenous ngos and community based groups?
3. re. cultural/social globalization: i wonder how much of it is to prevent future conflicts - after all the weapons industry has to go on. i tend to think that cultural/social globalization partly functions as imposing western political and economic ideology by affecting the values of other nations. and end up either creaing consumers for western, namely US products, or wanna-be consumers for western products.
4. according to my research, the proportion of GMF foods is not quite as high as 95% in the US and Europe. in the US certain crops like soya and corn are about 70% GM; europe the percentages are smaller and mostly for poultry and cattle feed. however, i do agree that they are dangerous and ecologically destructive foods.
5. also in terms of ecological globalization i would add the west and US`s contribution to global warming (which will wreak havoc in third world countries much more - as the recent droughts in south asia demonstrate)and the increased pollution and toxicity of our land, air and water.
our nations do stand on this global Chowk-e-Bay Roz GaraN, very little distinguishing them from beggars. the sad thing is, we beg for exploitation, bullying and pillaging. the question is do we have a choice? do we have what it takes to stand up for ourselves? if we do, can we pay the price like nicaragua did and cuba is still doing?
regards
a few comments/questions:
1. i would add that the US is explicitly at the helm of the new world order. and the iraq war was also about establishing its supremacy vis-a-vis its G7 allies.
2. i found your take on NGO`s pretty interesting and can certainly see how they are importers/exporters (depending on their location) of western ideology. certainly western labor and human rights groups are extremely imperialistic in the way they go about telling the rest of the world how they should lead their lives. what about more grass roots struggles like sindhiani tehreek and the narmada bachao andolan? are there no truly indigenous ngos and community based groups?
3. re. cultural/social globalization: i wonder how much of it is to prevent future conflicts - after all the weapons industry has to go on. i tend to think that cultural/social globalization partly functions as imposing western political and economic ideology by affecting the values of other nations. and end up either creaing consumers for western, namely US products, or wanna-be consumers for western products.
4. according to my research, the proportion of GMF foods is not quite as high as 95% in the US and Europe. in the US certain crops like soya and corn are about 70% GM; europe the percentages are smaller and mostly for poultry and cattle feed. however, i do agree that they are dangerous and ecologically destructive foods.
5. also in terms of ecological globalization i would add the west and US`s contribution to global warming (which will wreak havoc in third world countries much more - as the recent droughts in south asia demonstrate)and the increased pollution and toxicity of our land, air and water.
our nations do stand on this global Chowk-e-Bay Roz GaraN, very little distinguishing them from beggars. the sad thing is, we beg for exploitation, bullying and pillaging. the question is do we have a choice? do we have what it takes to stand up for ourselves? if we do, can we pay the price like nicaragua did and cuba is still doing?
regards
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