Faith, Religion and National Direction

Re: scout

``Let`s strike a deal here, if one of the following goes to Pakistan, I`ll go to Delhi.

sadna, rsaxena, jay, satyavadi, and others who I missed.``

Eagerly waiting for the invite, Miss Scout.:)

Satyavadi

Re: scout

``Let`s strike a deal here, if one of the following goes to Pakistan, I`ll go to Delhi.

sadna, rsaxena, jay, satyavadi, and others who I missed.``

If you offer me protection in Pakistan, I`ll go :)

rsaxena 173,

We`re waiting for you to say something mucho derogatory. :)

A lot of people on this site ask what India has done for its Muslims. Following is just one of the many examples and facilities enjoyed by Indian Muslims.

http://in.news.yahoo.com/000822/43/4txy.html

``Of the total, 72,000 Indian pilgrims travelled under arrangements made by the Haj Committee that included government-subsidised air tickets, amounting to Rs. 1.2 billion. India is perhaps the only country that provides subsidy for Haj pilgrimage.

``

Narain #164

I don`t agree with you that Pakistan has the same position as Americans in this regard.

Pakistan has always supported morally, politically and possibly materially Kashmir cause and its stand is clear.

While America always supposedly support, democracy human rights etc. So its stand is not clear. If America says that democracy in other countries is right only if non-Islamic parties paticipate in it. I can argue with that but still, I will see it as a consistent stand.

kabuliwallah,

Feminine charm and I don`t go together :)

Let`s strike a deal here, if one of the following goes to Pakistan, I`ll go to Delhi.

sadna, rsaxena, jay, satyavadi, and others who I missed.

And if none of them go, I`ll still come to Delhi, being the great person that I am ;).

love

scout chachi (hey, chachoo kon hai?)

All this hokey-pokey-let`s-hold-hands-and-hug trees-while-singing-khumbaya is getting sickening. Whatever happened to a good old Kashmir fight? Or terrorism and saffron brigades?

;)

In response to narain (Reply # 169)
Dear Narain:

Thanks for calling me Bhai. My previous response was guided by a difficulty, a kind of difficulty that I was also having with Satyavadi’s responses concerning procedural justice in India vis a vis the minorities.

In a country like India (or Pakistan) the situation is rarely as simple and straight-forward as some people want to believe. For example, I only today came across a number of articles on secularism in India. I also read some material on the BJP site. My search and reading, in short, led me to reconfirm my suspicion that your trust on secularism in India is more personal/ideological than real, though I personally view your conviction in secularism as a positive sign. A similar situation exists in Pakistan where a lot of Muslims believe that minorities will be better-off under a system of separate electorates. Most Pakistani Muslims also honestly, though perhaps mythically, believe that minority rights in Pakistan will be best protected within an Islamic state. Very few people, however, ask: What the minorities think best for themselves?

Sincerely, Bilal Ahmad

Scout Chachi,

I`m targeting you only because, if I can win you over to my side, the rest will follow...what with feminine charm and all :)

As for gymnosophist, I`m in a real foul mood as it is and want to beat up something real bad, what with Veerappan holding two state governments in my country hostage, compounded by the fact that water in Delhi is hard...so he better not mess with scout chachi :) Kapish?

Kabuli

re: ylh #165

Same here bro...I still think about the bus driver near Nankana Sahib and fall over laughing...email with details

Ref: Bahmad #162

Bilal Bhai,

Of course everybody`s defination of secularism differs, and that is not necessarily bad. In fact I would be surprised if you could name me a single concept about which everybody agrees completely. But to answer your question, I guess the generally acceptable idea of Indian secularism would be ``non-victimization of any community or minority on the basis of religion``.

Note that this general consensus does not extend to the possibility of positive action to support or uplift a community. Also it does not preclude voting for a party like the BJP, or the Muslim league which purports to support your community. This would be considered fine and within the bounds of democratic political behaviour (so long as there is no victimization of any other community).

Ref: Ylh #166

You are quite right in saying that I do not have much idea about Pakistan. I only know it through newspapers (pakistani and otherwise), and through interactions on chowk. My notion about Islam being the cornerstone of Pakistan is derived from the same. Though I am sure that not everyone believes it to be true (certainly not you or Bilal), it did appear to me to be the case. Evidence: the TNT, the government supported ``ideology of Pakistan`` and the interactions on Bilal`s article ``Pakistan: a failed state``. If however I am wrong, I apologize.

-narain

KRashid # 142

You are absolutely right, on re-reading my post, it does give the impression that I am allocating all blame to Bhutto. While he does share a significant share, the army (as evidenced in the report) shares equal if not more. Thank you for correcting my rather misleading statement.

Sincerely

bd

kabulliwallah #163,

Counselor Kabuli,

Is this ``scout ko daanto`` day? :( It will be only fair if you scold jay, rsaxena, krashid etc etc as well. And if you could beat gymnosophist up, I will be grateful.

I`m sorry if I hurt anyone`s feelings.

scout

To Narain

If you dont know enough about Pakistan ... please dont feel free to make generalizations ....

Islam may or maynot be a cornerstone to being a Pakistani ...

Pakistan Zindabad

Quaid e Azam Zindabad

Ataturk Zindabad

Jiye Bhutto

Imran Khan for PM

Yasser Hamdani

KABULI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I MISS YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re:Krashid #143

``If I give a man of your country a gun and money to shoot you because I don`t like you who is to blame? You or the person shooting you? But according to you the person giving money and gun is not.``

Before you start blaming the americans, please note that this is the argument that Indians have always used against Pakistan in Kashmir. So if you condemn the americans based for this, by the same token you should also condemn Pakistan.

-narain