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Islam means ``surrender`` .Become a slave of an outdated Ideology.

JOIN THE NEAREST MADRASSA ,THEY ARE WAITING FOR HATE MONGERERS LIKE YOU SPREADING THEIR VENOM.

PEOPLE LIKE YOU MAKE THIS WORLD SICK


P.S DO THEY CALL YOU A NIGGER AS WELL

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This is interesting. Historically minorities are persecuted by the majorities all over the world. Persecution can be on the basis of colour ( as it used to happen in the US , culture ( what spanish invaders did to South America ), economic ( what developed countries are doing to Africa ), religion ( what Germany did to Jews ). In todays scenario, it is India where minorities seem to live in relative peace and comfort as compared to other countries. I read somewhere that Islam is interpreted to preach peace and harmony in places where it is in minority ( US, India ) and opression of minorities in places where it is in majority ( Pakistan, Arabic countries ). What is sinister is to brand all non muslims as non believers and get religious sanction from mad mullahs to kill them

salaam shandana bibi,

if yaadgasht serves, hindu is a persian word meaning ``dark one.`` derogatory? certainly. as i read your article my mind replaced the word ``hindu`` with the word ``nigger.`` any ``rehm`` as in ``rahim`` and ``rehman`` you may have been expressing for the plight of these ancient & spritual minorities was transformed into a grotesque parody.

better luck next time with the old ``research before writing an article`` part of the process..& lets stop using the disrespectful word ``hindu`` to refer to these people....(a moral i was hoping your article would have ended with)

regards,

hysait

Please see the article which is in the following URL: www.indiavotes.com/elections/news/feature707.html

Thank you.

Sundar

While describing the various forms of Hinduism, the authoress has forgot to mention a very important school of thought: Atheism. Hindu, or rather, Indian religion is probably the only religion in the world which even has atheism as one of the philosophical options.

Mr.Banjara,Pl make it Amirul-Munafiqeen when you talk of Gen Zia.

I wish we could conform to the the thoughts of Quaid-e-Azam who promised that after independence,people will not be discriminated against on the basis of religion,caste etc.AS the people are illiterate,the maulvis(themseleves quite uneducated/unenligtened generally)have turned the clock back on us.Since the political leadership exploited religion,Zia joined hands to destroy all our chances of coming out of this quagmire.As normally happens with people,who do not cherish freedom,Zia ruled for 11 years till God got fed up with his hypocrisy/chicanery practised astutely with the help of his constituencyie the army and a handful of readily available political elite/aspirants to state power/bureaucracy.

Our narrowmindedness in religious matters fanned by maulvis and aided by a `jahil`poulation has made us pariahs in the world,more so in the muslim world justifying the contemptuous remark of the late shah of Iran about us `It appears that Islam was born on 14th aug 1947`.How many of us muslim Pakistanis understand the holy Quran?How many maulvis understand and act on it?That is the crux of the matter and accountable for all our sins/crimes.we seem to forget that handsome is handsome does and no amount of petti-fogging/polemics will put us on the road to salvation--here and here-after.God help Pakistan!

Interview with Pakistani CEO Parvez Musharraf with Foreign Affairs correspondent.

http://www.nation.com.pk/inset.htm

Interview with Pakistani CEO Parvez Musharraf

Q. How many children do you have? A. Two. A son and daughter.

Q. If your daughter would come and tell you that she would like to marry an Indian .... a terrific Indian. ``A doctor``, Would you object? A. If it`s a Muslim Indian I wouldn`t. If it`s a Hindu Indian I would certainly object.

Q. You would object? If she would be willing to marry, let`s say, a Catholic American, Irish American? A. I would again object.

Q. Do you think that Pakistan, in general, Pakistani society, treats its minorities or different ethnic groups better or worse than India treats it own?

A. 200 times better! Q. 200 times better? A. If not more. I`m very sure of that and this is, again, an unfortunate wrong perception that Indians create against Pakistan, of our being not accommodating enough against the minorities and our having extremist attitudes towards the minorities. There is nothing farther than the truth.

Q. With the risk of irritating you, you said a short time ago that you would not be happy to see your daughter marrying a Catholic or a non-Muslim. Doesn`t this reflect some kind of intolerance towards,...

A. No, I would beg to differ. This is not intolerance. I would love to interact with anybody of any religion and I have been interacting. I have been abroad and I`ve been interacting, in fact, let me tell you that when I was at the Royal College of Defense Studies, I respected the Israeli officer very much and my interaction with him and also with his wife was very pleasant. So I have no intolerance against any kind of interaction. But when it comes to marriages that you are talking of, now this is a totally different issue. There are cultural differences involved and there are societal differences involved and therefore that is the reason when I said that I would not like my daughter to be married to a Hindu Indian, that doesn`t mean that I am intolerant. I interacted very well with the Indian Hindu officer who was there on the same course. He was my neighbour and we interacted very well with him.

Q. You point a finger at the media, saying that the media tilts strongly toward the Indian side?

A. Yes. Certainly. I strongly believe that this is the case. There are a lot of Indians in the media, controlling the media and that is the unfortunate part, they distort facts. Actually perceptions that are not the reality.

Q. You are speaking about Indians who work as English journalists in England, and American journalists in America? Are you claiming that their heart is really with India? A. First of all there are a lot of Indians in all places in the international media .... television, newspaper .

Q. Sure. There are talented Indians.

A. These Indians do have actually an interest themselves, and they also influence others, those who are around them, those of other nationalities.

Q. A plebiscite was offered in Kashmir by the United Nations in 1948. Do you still want it? A. Yes. Certainly. That is our position.

Q. Now, going back to what you said before, If the results would be pro-India, would you still accept them? A. Well, I am more than hundred percent sure that the (plebiscite-R.L.)results will not be pro-India.

Q. What if the people of Kashmir will vote for independence? A. There`s no room for that. They have to vote either for India or for Pakistan.

Q. Kindly mention to me the four countries that are good friends of Pakistan.

A. Okay. Number one, China. Turkey. Saudi Arabia. Abu Dhabi.

Q. Abu Dhabi is not a very big country.

A. (Here the Pakistani Ambassador suddenly joins in, and corrects his chief executive: ``UAE, United Arab Emirates, and the chief executive accepts.)

Q. You don`t count the United States as one.

A. Well.

Q. I said ``good`` friends.

A. We have been good friends but not all that. ..

Q. Do you think that the nuclear weapons now present in both India and Pakistan make the sub-continent more, or less secure?

A. More secure, I think.

Q. The people of India and Pakistan have shared a history of several thousand years, shared language, shared cuisine, music and common culture. Yet, there are more Muslims remaining in India than there are in Pakistan. Is that true?

A. Population wise, is this true. I don`t think it is true that India has more Muslim than we have. But I would like to comment on the first part when you talked about our history and our commonality. I do beg to differ. Our history is totally different. Our heroes are their villains and vice-versa. Our culture is absolute the opposite. They consider cows as their gods. We slaughter cows and eat them .

Q. Didn`t India`s culture stem partly from the area of what is Pakistan now?

A. No. The Buddhist culture originated from Pakistan. But the Hindu culture did not originate from Pakistan.

Ranan R. Lurie is a Senior Adjunct Fellow with the CSIS, The Washington based think tank, the political cartoonist for FOREIGN AFFAIRS magazine, and an internationally syndicated political analyst/cartoonist

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/issues/0011/stern.html

having read almost all your writings on chowk, i somehow never had the courage to write anything in the InterAct section. But reading this one about Hindus in Pakistan, a memory surfaced of something that happened when i was a student at IBA. We had a Hindu classfellow and one day during lunch at the cafeteria, he took a sip out of the coke bottle that i was drinking from. Another classfellow of mine actually wrinkled his nose, privately suggesting that i use a new straw. I don`t remember what i said but i do remember grabbing the bottle and taking a long drag from that very straw.

Mutez

Dost-Mittar #394

The decline in population was due to the forcible conversion to Islam by Ameer Abdul Rahman,the ruler of Afghanistan in 1895 who settled them in

Nooristan,which is about 20 miles west of Chitral

and is in Afghanistan,the leftover 3000 are in

Pakistan and retain their religion.

Sarwari#395

I was talking about a feature film ``Mirza Ghalib``

directed by Sohrab Modi and not about the tele-drama by Gulzar.You will get the joke if you read

your original composition and my joke once again.

Regards.

Re: Reply #: 392 Banjaara

Assalmlaikum.

You are really funny maybe I should make an animated disney movie on you, ``Bhaloo Banjaarea Bhanghi beats the Bhangraa`` I hope the humour isn`t lost upon you... sorry I didn`t get the joke about Ghalib...as far as I am concerned the first time an Indian drama was so well made and we Pakistanis give credit where its due, that one one good direction by Ghulzar, thuogh he made Ghalib look like a pro-hindu anti-muslim proponent a number of times, but i guess its allowed.(The dialogues are rattey huwey now)

Now, coming to the actual discussion of how well lit Khatrees are up there in preserving their hind-politics, a letter to the editor...

India`s brand of secularism

I refer to a letter from an unnamed Indian in the USA published in DAWN of October 13 under the captain: ``Secularism - an Indian view.``

If one goes by the Indian writer`s definition that ``a secular country is one that gives equal rights to all its citizens irrespective of their religion`` and his assertion that this is written in the Indian Constitution, in practice the Indian government does not practise it.

According to the Indian government`s census figures, Muslims number a little under 12 per cent in India`s population (now about one billion). Yet in figures quoted in a meeting of a UN Human Rights Sub-commission in Geneva held from July 31 to August 18, India`s elite Administrative Service (IAS) has 3.27% Muslims while the Indian Foreign Service and the powerful Police Service have 3.37% and 2.7% Muslim representation respectively. Their share in the Secretary-level cadre in barely 1.2% and in the Central Subordinate services it is 1.56%.

In the boards of directors of public limited companies, Muslims have a 1.7% share. In the Indian armed forces, Muslims representation is below 2%. In the higher judiciary, Muslim representation is very meagre.

Overall, Muslim representation in the central and provincial legislatures has shown a decline in recent years, largely because the BJP-led government as the centre and its allies and offshoots in the states espouse and propagate the chauvinistic Hindutva philosophy of Hindudom`s superiority over the followers of other religions. In fact, the arrogant devotees of this communalistic ideology want those Indians who converted to Islam or Christianity in the past to return to the Hindu fold.

The Bombay High Court recently dismissed as timebarred a case for the indictment of the Muslim-hating Bal Thackery, chief of the Nazi-style anti-Muslim Shiv Sena and an ally of the ruling BJP, for an anti-Muslim pogrom in Mumbai which he instigated and masterminded in 1994 and in which some 3000 Muslims were killed.

A report in the Asian Age of New Delhi of Sept. 13 shows that a number of Muslim students of the Aligarh Muslim University were arrested by Indian police sleuths on the charge of being agents of the Pakistani ISI. The Communist Party of India (Marxist) and the Jamaat-e-Islami of India have condemned the arrests of the AMU students.

India`s National Commission for Minorities recently indicted the pro-BHP Bajrang Dal and Vishua Hindu Parishad (VHP) for their role in the recent anti-Muslim riots in Surat. These two strong-arm Hindu communal bodies have been behind the attacks on Christians and their churches. Will the Vajpayee government tell the world what punitive action was taken against their saffron brigades?

QUTUBUDDIN AZIZ

Karachi

http://www.dawn.com/2000/10/16/letted.htm#1

Turkey-Pakistan bhai bhai.

This was very true till the eightees but no more.

Went to Turkey in 1974 and had a lovely time,being

a Pakistani,every where it was brother and friend

and discount in all shopping or service including

female escorts and strip-tease joints(I am serious).

Visited again in 1989,and upon hearing that I was a Pakistani,they were warm and welcoming but the rates were doubled compared to other tourists,on

querry why this change from my previous visit and

they shrugged their shoulders in that typical

style of theirs and commented that NOW we know

our brothers from Pakistan rather well.

Apparently,this change in attitude came in with

Ameerul Momineen Hazrat General Zia-ul-Haq and

his Islamization programme in Pakistan,and continues till date.However,the common man is

all friendly and welcoming to a visitor(Mehmaan)

irrespective of his country of origin.

Regards

Sarwari # 352.

Waalaykum As-salam wa rahmat Allah wa barkaathu.

Your threat to write a book on India and then

deciding against it and writing on Pakistan instead,reminds me of a joke.

Ghalib died and was produced before The Almighty.

Since,he used to drink,Allah Ta`ala punished him

by ordering a film to be made in India with

Bharat Bhooshan as Mirza Ghalib.Ghalib protested

on the choice of Bharat Bhooshan,which was the

height of impudence,hence Allah Ta`ala added

further punishment to him and another film by the

name of Mirza Ghalib was made in Pakistan,with

Sudhir as Mirza Ghalib.Since then,no one has heard

from the great poet.

Ma`as Salaama.

Regards

Dost-Mittar #311

The Kalash Tribe in the Chitral valley are also

known as Kafirs,because of their religious belief

which is animistic .Anthropologists have been

trying to find their origins,but nothing concrete

has been proved so far.The most acceptable theory is that they are part of the returning forces of

Alexander the Great,who settled in the extreme

north of the NWFP in Pakistan in the Chitral Valley.In 1895 Ameer Abdul Rahman,King of Afghanistan attacked and converted them to Islam and settled them in the conquered area,

naming it Nooristan.The Kafirs are found about 36 km south east of Chitral city,in Bamburet,Birir and Rambur Valleys.The biggest village, Bamburet is accessible by jeep.The other two accessible on foot/mules only. Their population at the turn of century was about 100,000 which is reduced to

3000 now.

The Kalash women dress in all black thick material

with beautiful head dress adorned with cowrie shells,siver coins,buttons and coloured feathers.

They have three main festivals which are:

Joshi (spring),Phool(Autumn) and Chowas(Mid December).The Joshi is the most amazing spectacle

celeberated under the full moon in Spring.The

Kalash life is full of song ,dance, music and

hard work.

They probably are the original ``flower children``,

who have however,lost their innocence thanks to

globalization of the World and now perform in front of tourist for money.

There are quite a few sites on the Kalash or

Kalasha Tribe,if you want further info. about them.

Regards

fairdinkum #389

bahut acche and very interesting. Actually makes me feel a bit homesick. At the temple festivals I`ve observed, `village` folk got the occasion to watch folk and classical dance with religious storylines as well as Dostoevksy plays in translation!! Its sometimes very hard to comprehend the complexities of life on the subcontinent :-).

Talking of Dussehra, yesterday there was a `Ravan jalaana` here with a Ravana imported from India(from the export list: Highly inflammable Hindu bad guy effigy :-)). As I was telling a friend, fireengines and cops preside, and we have to stand so far away we have to take the triumph of good over evil on trust. So we go back the next year to verify :-).

Hm, written Hindi looking like snakes, good description. Look at it this way, its snakes have lids on them, unlike the free-roaming ones in Urdu :-). I knew North Indians visiting us down south used to call South Indian scripts `jalebi` scripts. Malayalam from Kerala has a particularly jalebi look :-).

Sadhana