Aap Amrika Main Hotay Hain?? (Do You Live In America)

Sadhna #171

Time is very little for you.

So try to put forth all your agenda quickly, before everybody sees your one point agenda.

It is a disgrace for all of us who discuss here things with open heart (and closed minds:-)) to be loaded by people with agendas.

krashid : I sincerely pray every night that you and I do not belong to the same human race.

-arun gupta

tahmed321 #167
I`m glad to enjoyed the concert. But was it held in Pakistan? Can you say categorically that such a concert could have been easily held and enjoyed by more than the suited-and-booted class of people in Pakistan without throwing up a huge storm of issues and allegations?
That was the whole problem with initiatives like the Lahore bus trip,
a) considered too insubstantial in addressing real points of disagreement
b) in a mutual hello-hi, apparently the interests and very identity of Pakistan was being bartered or surrendered away
c) those Pakistanis including Sharif who engaged in these sympathetic parleys were seen to be unrepresentative traitors out to make deals with the devil for their own selfish benefit.

No self-respecting party in Pakistan speaks of peace with India in its primary `manifesto` unless it wants to sink without a trace. In fact, its seems a central theme to speak the language of perpetual confrontation. What any Pakistani entity may do in interests of real-politik when in power is another matter, but after that it becomes all the more vulnerable to the allegations I listed a,b,c.

In contrast, in India, the Pakistan policy is not a significant or central theme or `differentiator` of any mainstream political party. And most parties agree that the ultimate goal is detente and not perpetual confrontation. And going back to the concerts, well apart from the shameful incident with Ghulam Ali, even Pakistani cricketers have followings in India.

Re jihadi stereotypes, are you sure its just a stereotype? How could so much be written even in the Pakistani press about mere sterotypes? And perhaps the stereotypes of Indian/Hindu flavor which abound on this board and even in Pakistani newspapers strike you as not being stereotypes but true to life?

I have a real problem with Pakistani citizens within Pakistan and abroad funding other citizens to kill innocents in Kashmir and to build mansions on the strength of it and over it all, claim to have the sanction of God. Is this a stereotype? As someone said to me recently, for all practical puposes, we are already in a state of war.

Sadhana

Jay #166

Heartrending stories like the one you quoted would have more impact(and seem less ghoulish in the quoting) if there was a proper context.

Sadhana

sb, Rsaxena
ignore.
btw, sb, I left a note for yourself and Assad_K on another board.
http://www.indiaserver.com/frontline/17200800.htm
Contours of militancy
AG Noorani

Sadhana

sadna #144 I agree that a good deal of hostility exists towards India in Pakistan. However, Pakistanis in general dont go about their daily business thinking good or bad things about India. As is true for people anywhere, including India, nearly every Pakistani has some more practical things like economic livelihood, social obligations, and so forth to be concerned with. The concept of the jihadi Pakistani is simply a stereotype that, like all stereotypes, tells you more about the ignorance and fears and superficial thinking of the person drawing the stereotype than of the people being stereotyped.

Btw, last night my wife and I attended a concert by Ustad Sultan Khan, sarangi player from Rajasthan, India. He played classical as well as Rajasthani folk songs. The audience included both Pakistanis and Indians as well as Americans. Everyone enjoyed the music in silence, with occassional murmurs of ``wah-wah`` and rounds of clapping. The music was beautiful, and the audience was great. I could not help wondering why Indians and Pakistanis cannot be like this all the time - sharing beauty and appreciating talent together rather than trying to find fault in one another all the time. Is Ustad Sultan Khan well known in India? I understand he played with Ravi Shankar, and also played music for the film industry and the stage in India.

Re: sadhna

I think what mullah krashid has been trying to get you to concede is that he is more of a lady than you

krashid #164:

``As far as your remark that how I behave with women in my country.

I don`t think you are a woman. Even if you are one you are not behaving like that. Moreover, would you care to post your photo to confirm.``

Becomes unbearable to meet evenness in women, eh?

Long live your faith in whatever you consider Right & Proper!

PS: Do you usually think of honeymooning with guys? Blasphemous!

krashid #153:

``Should we go on Calcutta redlight area or Bombay footpath for our honeymoon.``

Chowk Staff -

A sign of dizzying heights Chowk is reaching?

LEGAL SYSTEM OF PAKISTAN

from nation of today

LHC bails out handcuffed minor on Re 1 bond

LAHORE(By Our Staff Reporter) - The Lahore High Court Friday took a very serious view of bringing in handcuffs, an eight-year-old boy from the District Jail, Jhang, by the police.

The scene of Mohsin`s appearance, in handcuffs by both hands clasped against his chest and escorted by the police, moved every one present in the Court room. Justice Khalilur Rahman Ramday could also not face the sight of the scene and asked the policemen to at once remove the hand-cuffs. The order was complied with. The judge asked the police officials why the minor was brought in handcuffed? Was he so hardened a criminal that he could not to be controlled bare-handed, the court asked the policemens who hanged their head in shame.

Mohsin was produced in Court in pursuance of an application for his release moved by advocate M.D.Tahir who found him lodged at the said jail during a visit under the court orders. The Court informed about the brief facts that Mohsin was taken into custody, some more than two months ago, at Khanewal Station by the Railways Police on the allegations of pickpocketing Rs 1000. The FIR registered showed recovery of the money. After keeping the minor in police remand, the minor was jailed under the order passed by the judicial magistrate. The little accused was regularly produced after a fortnight before the court of the magistrate concerned which went on extending his remand in judicial custody till Mr Tahir took note of his plight in jail.

The Court asked Mohsin to give account of his arrest. Mohsin with tears rolling denied the allegation and that he did not know even what pickpocketing was. He said on his way back from the school, hanging school bag on his shoulder, he was only standing at the station to take a look of the running train, when the police took him in custody and charged him of pickpocketing which he even did not know how to defend. When asked why he was so profusely weeping, Mohsin said, `I`m missing my mother.` The Court admitting the minor to bail against the surety of rupee one only, directed that parents of the minor should be traced out and he be handed over to them without delay.

krashid #164
Oh do you respond to others in the same pathetic style ? Oops I feel sorry for you.
I seem to have hit a lode of truth here somewhere in my posts,hm.
Sadhana

Sadhna #160

Let me give you one experiment, if you can do.

In a single two way road, an incoming car with high beam on. You blink your head light. Count how many cars turned their high beam to low beam.

Now repeat this. When incoming car has high beam on. You turn your cars low beam to high beam. Count how many cars lowered their high beam to low beam. Results will surprise you.

As far as your remark that how I behave with women in my country.

I don`t think you are a woman. Even if you are one you are not behaving like that. Moreover, would you care to post your photo to confirm.

Fourth, I have not seen you taking the same stand when other women are/were hounded on this board.

Fifth, if you think you are an unbiased person. I think, you should apply some ECT to your head.

Sixth, as long as this board is giving me opportunity, I will utilize that. As you are utilizing your opportunity with some nefarious single minded agenda.

Seventh, the day you feel that we are from same human race, you won`t have to remind everyone including other people on this board.

Fairdinkum!

Sorry! At least you responded although in such a bad situation.:-)

Dear Omar,

Yes, you`re right, no sense in trying to fit square pegs into round holes. However, I guess I was, overcome by temporary hopelessness, just railing against what I see as ``unenlightened self interest`` on the part of that class of Pakistanis (``educated``, talented etc.) that Sadhana inquired into. Maybe its just my own working-class bias at work, but it just seemed almost comedic that anyone should expect scions of our Pakistani priveliged classes to do anything that furthered the cause of egalitarianism and economic justice in Pakistan, the lack of which it could be argued have been the nation`s ultimate bane. There is something incongruus about folks waxing eloquent on their love for Pakistan, on their concern for for its deplorable economic situation and lack of civic justice, all from the comfort of colleges paid for by untaxed rupees, or palatial bungalows upkept by a dozen servants making peanuts.

As fairdinkum has already said, enlightened self interest cannot exist on an unlevelled playing field.

Those whose lives are not threatened by the immediate dangers of poverty have got to either put up or shut up.

sadhana,

same in pakistan...although there used to be a liberal party in Karachi University which didn`t have links to any political party and managed to win an election...but it was a rarity.....most student organizations have links with mainstream political parties.

krashid,

That was quite unlike your usual self!

fairdinkum,PM
Are the students organisations in Pakistan any good? In India these are mostly tied up with mainstream political parties.

krashid #153
Its nice for you that chowk provides a facility for you to be foul-mouthed safely from so many thousand miles away. Is this how you disagree with women in your real life?

Its nice for you and the young people in your country to have so many problems in India which the entire Pakistani nation can build a national philosophy around and concentrate on whining about. However, `Liberation incorporated` doesnot look like being IPO`ed anywhere soon unless those $2.5 billion that your narcotics smugglers in the ISI earn for you are more judiciously used.

Sadhana

Neurogen #158

accha theek hai :)

And you didn`t spell my name right....mate! :)

ali1 #46 you write ``What I find ``quite funny`` is the way in which some middle aged Pakistani males become so affable when dealing with this person with the handle ``Sadna``.``

You`ll understand how it is possible for people to have a friendly discussion when you have grown up to be four or five years old. Meanwhile, have fun in the playpen with Jay, and try not to wet one another too much.