Aap Amrika Main Hotay Hain?? (Do You Live In America)

PLAGUE OF THE MIND, ali1,

Plague of the mind is also spread by rats, rats of the two legged variety, it affects the nervous system altering the perceptions, the sight is not significantly altered. It can create divisions and hatred among people, focussing on one or two aspects, highlighting it and finally declaring it as basis for a nation, declaring that the two cannot co-exist. After creating a nation, the plague continues to develop, mutates into other forms, it can finally develop into a state where a personal choice like keeping a beard become the central element of the belief system, and poor person of the another kind, as perceived under the influence of the plague can be sent to prison for life.

The bubonic plague can be destroyed by killing the rats, the mutation of the plague of the mind make its elimination almost impossible.

There was a spread of the plague of the mind in europe, in the 1940s, a few million people were killed in the perceptual distortion caused by it, but the decease was brought under control by a combined military operation and the partition of the country. It is still kept under control by military powers.

May be there is need for similar action in the Indian sub continent, in case the plague mutates further. There is a name for the plague, I will name it in another post.

RDesikan #

Which position of him you did not like please elaborate.

It is called labelling, what you are doing.

Hashimali #118

Were you not able to get the prestigious green card.

Ali bhai ,very interesting article.I can`t agree more with you.I am a friend of your younger brother,now studying in Vancouver,Canada, for 3 years.Although I didn`t ask you those questions about going to USA for studies when I was in Lahore,but I always wanted to ask.

When I came here I thought I was well informed and was prepared for the worst,but still I faced many unexpected problems.

Many of my friends think that just by doing some certification(MCSE,OCP etc),they can get top IT jobs in US,or atleast that is what there ``Computer training Institutes`` tell them.

Ali Hashmi: Each first generation immigrant from Pakistan is just like individuals everywhere else. They observe and experience a variety of situations in their life, leading to varied opinions. It depends on the personality, amount of time spent in the USA, having few or many family members around, financial situation, failing, meeting or beating your expectations and the location in the USA, one is residing. Neither you, nor I, nor any one else can speak on behelaf of ``most`` in this matter. The principle of democracy may not be applicable in the matters of personal preferences in life. It is usually nostalgic and often painful to keep looking back at the places where you were once residing, friendships made and broken, the mistakes made in life but it is impossible not to particularly for those like me who come to USA after spending 20-25 years of their life in their native cultures. I did pretty good here in education, employment and social life but the thrill which I felt during earlier years is declining. This is for a variety of factors besides ageing and getting used to living here. In my case, my university mates who did not immigrate are not doing bad at all. Some of them have achieved great success and will make many envy of their living standard. Most of my friends do not ask much about USA because almost all of them have been to USA for various durations in various capacities. More importantly, they do not feel envy of my immigrant status what they used to several years back when they looked at me as one of the more fortunate one. I am content about living here now, though feel sorry about missing several joyous as well as sorrowful family events when I wished to be there but being a student or employed and from middle class family background did not have resources and time for frequent visits. All in all, it is a mixed bag. Even after 15 years, I still have desire to spent some years of my life in Islamabad, seeing the next generation growing up, playing with them, helping them. This is personal where USA, western culture or being a minority here playing no part in this desire. Also there is no guarantee that I would be more happy living there for few years or not. Can you imagine, I have not seen Pakistani summer in the last 15 years. All of my 12 trips have been during winter when I could add on my Christmas and New Year holidays to my vacation time. Sorry for looking at it through my personal life experience.

PM #87

“Moral superiority helps assuage the pains of isolation.(But we can leave that discussion for another day :)”

PM,

In all of your random thoughts, this is the most interesting bit for me. Indeed, it is a major factor in clouding the desi vision of … well… almost all cultures/societies other than desi culture… I would be interested to hear more on this from you.

This is for all Kaalay Angraiz Urf Oreos.

STORY OF AN ITALIAN SOB

Letta me tella you, about onena thing, that happen to me.

One day, I`m gonna Detriot to a bigga hotel. Inna morning, I go down to eat breakfast. I tella the waitress, I wanna two Pissis Toast. She bringa me only one Piss. I tella her I wanna two Pissis. She say go to the the toilet. I say you no understand, I wanna two Piss onna my plate, She say you better not Piss onna the plate, you sonna bittch. I don`t even know the lady, and she call me sonna bittch.

Later, I go to eat at the bigga restaurant. The waitress bringa me a spoon and knife, but no fock. I tell her I wanna fock. She tella me everyone wanna fock. I tell her you no understand. I wanna fock on the table. She say you better not fock on the table you sonna bittch.

So I go back to my room inna hotel, and ther is no shitts onna my bed. I call the manager, and tella him I wanna shits. He tella me go to the toilet. I say you no understand, I wanna shitt on my bed. He say you better not shitt onna the bed, you sonna bittch.

I go to check out, and the man at the desk say, ``Peace to you.`` I say Piss onna you too, you sonna bittch.

Ima go backa to Italy.

Re: #117

Dionysus

I couldn`t agree more and thank you for the compliment.I was beginning to think nobody was talking about the article anymore.I was told by another writer that unfortunately, most discussions on these boards tend to degenerate into name calling along India-Pakistan/Hindu-Muslim lines.I`m glad you liked the article and let me add that I agree about conditions in Pakistan and the burden that common (read :not rich) people have to carry.All the more reason for intelligent, motivated people to return and try to improve things. I for one fully intend to do so in the near future.

Cheers!

Hashim,

I congratulate you (even if somewhat belatedly) on writing such a fine article. It isn`t easy living as a foriegner in someone else`s country and I don`t think the hordes that are pouring out of Pakistan realize this. However, the social and economic conditions in Pakistan are terrible and what is more they are deterioating rapidly. I don`t think anyone can be blamed for seeking a way out from a land where there is no hope left.

ali1 #115
I can see it hurts really bad that unlike Pakistanis, Indians/Indoos donot depend on religious fanatic professional killers for employment opportunities.
Take a look at
http://www.dawn.com/2000/10/29/op.htm
The rival centres of power
btw, if it hadnot been for your unjustified vitriol against honestly-employed Indians, I wouldnot be quoting a Pakistani newspaper article in this context.
Sadhana

RE: # 109

Pompous Indians

tahmed, checkout this putrid discharge of pompous oral diarrhea.

[“As for the `ordinary Pakistanis` on this board, their obsessive paranoia with the harmless employment opportunities(and religious beliefs) of Bharatis, Indoos, Hindus and Indians, is blocking their vision of the threat and delaying the fight.”]

All inhabitants of the Land of Bubonic Plague are sickeningly pompous. Funny how they go about lecturing the lowly, un educated Pakistanis. Are they actually convinced of their greatness?

Good luck with your deflation efforts, or you can wait till the next round of Bubonic Plague shoves some humility up their pompous asses.

tahmed,

Thanks, the feeling is mutual.

Re post #106

{{These armed groups are indeed a threat not just to India but to Pakistan as well. And I think the Pakistan military is quite aware of that, but seems unwilling to take on a new front.}}

I`m surprised that the military in Pakistan is not concerned about them. If they dont do something about them, sooner or later these jihadis will severly affect the military--either changing it from within the ranks, or fighting them in a civil war in Pakistan.

Perhaps I`m being too much of an alarmist. For evey 3 Pakistanis graduating from the traditional education system, about 30 may be graduating from the madrassah system .Out of those 3 graduates, 1 will migrate abroad, another will desparately try to go abroad & 1 will stay behind & serve Pakistan for the better. All these 30 madrassah graduates will stay behind in Pakistan. My figures are wild guesses, but you get my point.

These graduates are semi literate & dont have skills to run a modern society/economy. They are taught about the virtues of Islam. In that respect, they will be good citizens. However, one of the main themes in most of these madrassahs is the concept of jihad.

From what I`ve learned from muslim contributers on Chowk ,jihad, in the truest sense, is a war against oppression & injustice. In that respect it is a sacred & noble endeavor.

These madrassah graduates are recruited predominantly from the children of poor illiterate masses. The fact that these madrassahs feed, clothe & give support to their children definitely endears the masses to them.

These graduates are becoming the future movers & shakers of Pakistan. The painful reality is India isnt the biggest oppressor of the Pakistani masses. Historically, its been the educated elite, the feudal landlords, politicians, beaucrats & even the military of Pakistan, that has repeatedly screwed the ordinary man on the street. At least that is the jist of what most of the Pakistani posters have said on various boards on Chowk.

These guys maybe semi-literate, but definitely not stupid. How long will it take them to realise that its the establishment against which the real jihad has to be faught?

Any thoughts?

RSaxena (another desi Oreo),

I have to agree with tahmed321. It was very snobby and stupid of you to make fun of krashid.

Does an American ask another American why he doesn`t know how to speak French well?

Think about that one.

For some people, English is not a language they grew up with. Can you get that through your ``goray-ka-chamcha`` mind?

You should give them the benefit of the doubt.

THIS IS OFF THE SUBJECT. Pardon me please.

Waheed #53

I wondered where you were? You`ve moved? I don`t have your contact. Send me an email (myfullname at yahoo).

...SR

http://www.rediff.com/news/2000/oct/27diary.htm

tahmed321 #106
``I think this is a time for wisdom and maturity among all concerned with South Asia. And for ordinary Pakistanis to do what they can to fight this threat.``

I wish ordinary Pakistanis all the best in their endeavors. I`m aware many brave Pakistanis are trying to tackle the problem in many ways including publishing many articles on the subject in their own newspapers. I admire them greatly for this.

As for the `ordinary Pakistanis` on this board, their obsessive paranoia with the harmless employment opportunities(and religious beliefs) of Bharatis, Indoos, Hindus and Indians, is blocking their vision of the threat and delaying the fight. Maybe because they have no real stakes in it except emotional and Indian-bashing serves THAT purpose most satisfactorily.

Sadhana