Ghazali On Women In Islam

hamidm #310, ``the apostle mushtaq farooqi and how he contributed to the religious delinquency of young scout ......``

Who the hell is Mushtaq Farooqi? And how does speaking against alcohol make me a religious deliquent?

When did I even mention religion in our ``guftugoo?``

Why are you so obsessed with religion that you have to include religious satire into every post of yours, whether it is relevant to the discussion at hand or not?

``scout ....... now here is a woman who has bought the party line hook, line and sinker ....no matter how many surahs and hadiths you throw at her, she has convinced herself that it is better to be the veil-wearing twelve year old third wife of a pious tetotaler, five-a-dayer, ankle-bared, tasbeeh and watwani-fiddling momin......``

KYA BAKWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS HAI YEH? Do you think while you write or does your brain disconnect from your fingers? I`m beginning to believe the latter.

surahs hadiths? Your mind is infested with a religious disease. Perhaps if you didn`t drink alcohol you`d be a sharper person, who can argue without using the shoulder of meaningless religious parody.

hamidm,

I`m very worried about your conduct on this forum. You keep on trashing pious muslims. Keep it up & youre definitely going to condemned to hell in eternal damnation...

Thats going to be a huge problem for us hindus. Since we`re going to hell for being heathen idol worshippers, were planning to have a party for eternity. So what if its hot in hell, we`re used to the heat. OK, so the beer will be warm & the wine may not be chilled. But the chinks have promised us all the free chinese food we can eat.

The last thing in hell we need is a gatechrasher like you. Please dont be a party pooper. You gotta admit you`ll feel very out of place among us heeng smelling banyas.



So be a good boy & have some more respect for the devouts;--if not for our sake, at least for yours..

Omarphoenix # 297

Great post. I regret that I missed it the first time. I like the confidence that you have in yourself. Being a parrot is lot better than being an Oreo cookie. I hope you have Oreos in UK, right? I mean the real ones that come in a box and they smell and taste real good?

Besides all of that I suggest you to use your discretion on engaging your neurons on more important stuff.

Oops, sorry. I meant Scout`s ``Headache and Hearburn`` response page, not Feroz`s.

Re: OmarPhoenix #297

I don`t usually bother answering people for whose intelligence I have no respect, considering it to be a waste of time and effort. For this reason there is no point in trying to enter into a debate on the merit (or the lack thereof) of interest (your other flamer to me) or wine (your current one). There is a huge difference between trying to talk to some one usually capable of intelligent discourse (e.g., scout--apologies for sounding patronizing) and a parrot that just mouths whatever has been taught it. In fact, we used to have a mian mitthu when I was about 12 that had a greater vocabulary and reasoning ability than yours: he figured out how to remove the wire holding his cage shut. Your cage is still wired tight. Hmmm, must apologize now to parrots.

If your Ex-catholic friend is an idiot, that makes me one as well? Superb logic they are teaching you in that fine institution of higher parrotting you attend. If you will read my posts, both here and at Feroz`s last article site, you will notice that I keep trying to draw a distinction between drinking and alcoholism. Given your fine reasoning skills, you see no difference. I assume that you also see no difference between eating three good meals a day and being 200 pounds overweight? Eating must also be condemned because some people overindulge in it? When do we start the jihad to ban all food?

Regards.

My previous post was in reference to hamidm #310, and please replace the word messenger with Mushtaq. My apologies to both messenger and Mushtaq in the first instance, and to chowk readers in the next for this error.

hamidm I think messenger is expecting a careful study of his ying/yang discourse, and respectful discussion, not your summary consignment of it to the fires of mansoora. As retribution, I hope you will translate his post into Arabic, memorize it, and repeat it for extra credit after each prayer.

Dear Molko,

Ooooh, Touchy touchy are we? Err what`s that thing call that you guys have been abusing...freedom of speech is it? Why are you guys getting all `rondhu`. I felt like being righteous and thought I`ll just read the posts. But then I thought, I might as well play on your level (not you personally). Only Joking, you won`t be hearing much from me since I only ever visit this place every so often.

Take care.

Omar Phoenix

Re: messenger #28.#104 and #289.

Truly inspired bit of divine comedy, thought provoking in a light hearted manner,albeit with some poetic liscence.One would envision a contract for a disney cartoon project in a sane world.

If we ever hope to understand these larger then life charachters they first need to be humanized and cut down to size only then people may be able to remove their rose colored glasses and be able to see them for what they were.only human.

Mushtaq, glad to see you back on chowk. I was wondering if you were still involved with the 2 projects for Pakistan: the IT schooling and the one for desert architecture/food growing techniques. My email address is still the same - please contact me.

sherdil

Omarphoenix

I think it irresponsible of you to tar everyone with that self-righteous brush of yours. Your beliefs are no one elses, so please spare us the sermons.

the apostle mushtaq farooqi and how he contributed to the religious delinquency of young scout ......

....now where did he descend from ...... for a moment i thought i had accidently stumbled onto a board from that hell hole in mansoora or that other seat of all wisdom, divine and temporal, in kabul ....... lord, why do we have to suffer fools and religious scholars .... it is enough to make one turn his back on the often vengeful and bloodthirsty gods worshipped by the conquistadors, the arab hordes and the thugs of eighteenth century india ......so we have heard all these silly circular arguments before and i do believe it is a waste of precious breath to argue the ridiculous dichotomies that exist in classical organized religion ....... how do you argue with someone who believes that a woman`s witness being equal to half that of a male actually protects her ? ...... the sad part is that some women, like scout, blinded by the heavenly glare of hobgoblin logic buy into these spurious, perfidious, deceitful and pernicious positions .........

scout ....... now here is a woman who has bought the party line hook, line and sinker ....no matter how many surahs and hadiths you throw at her, she has convinced herself that it is better to be the veil-wearing twelve year old third wife of a pious tetotaler, five-a-dayer, ankle-bared, tasbeeh and watwani-fiddling momin than be associated with the hypocrite who goes to the mosque twice a year and has a glass of merlot once a week and lets her drive and go to starbucks unaccompanied by a mehram and who does not beat her (lightly) if she is disobedient and who lets her believe that the earth is not flat as proclaimed by sheikh bin-baz ......but then as russell said :

``I do not think that the real reason why people accept religion has anything to do with argumentation. They accept religion on emotional grounds. One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to attack religion, because religion makes men virtuous. So I am told; I have not noticed it. You know, of course, the parody of that argument in Samuel Butler`s book, Erewhon Revisited. You will remember that in Erewhon there is a certain Higgs who arrives in a remote country, and after spending some time there he escapes from that country in a balloon. Twenty years later he comes back to that country and finds a new religion in which he is worshiped under the name of the ``Sun Child,`` and it is said that he ascended into heaven. He finds that the Feast of the Ascension is about to be celebrated, and he hears Professors Hanky and Panky say to each other that they never set eyes on the man Higgs, and they hope they never will; but they are the high priests of the religion of the Sun Child. He is very indignant, and he comes up to them, and he says, ``I am going to expose all this humbug and tell the people of Erewhon that it was only I, the man Higgs, and I went up in a balloon.`` He was told, ``You must not do that, because all the morals of this country are bound round this myth, and if they once know that you did not ascend into Heaven they will all become wicked``; and so he is persuaded of that and he goes quietly away.``

Hamidm, Fuzair, Molko & Others:

Have no fear, if the mullahs and their wives on this board will deny you your merlots and chardonnays, I will step in to prevent the human rights violations. Even this Indian cannot be that heartless! You are all welcome to cross the border...my little cellar promises something for everyone. I`ll drop some chicken in the tandoor; you bring the blondies and Italianas.

Cheers to life. Down with the prudes!

Pankaj #300, ``Jab zindagi ki kaduwahat sharab se

jiyada ho jaay, tab jaakar sharab mein logon ko mazaa aata hai.``

Aur phir kisi alcohol related beemari say marnay main mazaa ata hai shayad in logon ko.

Rdesikan #305, ``Scout--lighten up. I don`t think you`re a prude, but your comments make you seem like one. To each his or her own. Nothing wrong in that, right?``

I always say what I feel, if I feel strongly about an issue. If these thoughts portray me as a prude, so be it. I`ve been called a Ms. Mullah (thanks to Rsaxena) too. It doesn`t bother me.

:)

By the way, I`m not going to these nuts` homes and breaking their bottles of wine dramatically across their heads. I`m just talking (typing). Nothing wrong in that, right? ;)

Molko #298, ``BTW, how come we never have such arguments over tobacco? Just because it isn`t haram, though its effects are potentially worse than those of alcohol?``

Because I smoke.........no, just kidding.

Don`t even get me started on smoking. The reason why I never argued against it here, is that the beauty of different kinds of cigarrettes wasn`t brought up by interactors here as the ``beauty`` of wine was.

Ever see the ad, ``Kissing a smoker is like licking an ashtray.``



Have you seen a person with half their face surgically removed to save them from the oral cancer (caused by smoking) that ate away their bones, and even then, they had a slim chance of survival? I have. It`s sad, really sad to see what human beings have done to the precious bodies that God has given them.

If only these alcohol guzzling, smoking idiots realize this.

Tipsys have now taken over this board. The godaweful stench is unbearable. Good luck and good bye.