Ghazali On Women In Islam

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tahmed:

I think it was the controversy that created the havoc than the consistency of the author`s views. I do not care much for the author`s views, but I must admit that he writes very well. An observant chap! Specially, if you read his other stories they have the conscious element of observation, alertness, and sweetness (at times only). On the other hand, there is an obvious naivety displayed every now and then.

Later,

Let`s see if this post becomes the 400th one, thereby completing the fourth century, which is around the time the nameless author of this worthless article seems to think the world is today.

Also tells the great interest generated by an article that deserved at most one response. That response being directed to the chowk editors, reminding them not to be asleep on the switch when junk like this is sent to be published. But I guess, hits are what counts, not quality. Far better articles written on far worthier subjects on chowk (like the one on Darul-Sakun), on the other hand, simply slide quietly away into the Prev 10 cemetery. I dont have any solutions.

A Shiraz, the evil twin lies within. Sorry I came in late -- or are you just relieved? I agree that women are given the raw deal, but by all religions. And when they are ripe, it is the men who move in for the kill. And they do not consult their gods about how to go about doing it. They have their godforsaken hormones, their egos massaged by unsuspecting houris and the derangement caused by imbibing alcohol that goes by their own name.

I am touched by your concern for the female species. However, it would be interesting for you to see a few posts, especially by a certain Solitude, on both my board as well as this one. Do you think he shows any respect towards women? Is he any better than the Taliban , simply because he chooses to denounce religion? I wonder what kick he gets from wanting to see a woman with a moustache (it probably excites him a hell of a lot) or seeing me with my hair scattered.

It would be nice if the `compiler` of this article took note of these contradictions. And yes, btw, if you do notice Shiraz,er, Solitude, do ask him to get in touch with me, since he has scampered away from my Board. He needn`t worry, since I do not promote myself as a `lady`, a creature he seems to be so afraid of.

Meanwhile, do keep in mind that when you talk about the status of women it comes with the enhanced status of men. And most have fallen in the eyes of women, anyway.

Regards,

Farzana

Rabiya:#394

Aap ko aur sabhee CHOWK mohallay-vaalon ko:

bohut bohut

E I D M U B A R AK

ho.



wassalaam

PM # on your latest reply!

With the kind of institutions which have been strengthened 1000 years back under the influence of multiple influences like greek thoughts etc. But these institutions have been fossilized as REAL Islamic teachings for the past 1000 years. We can only expect Bin Baaz to degrade West and harp the greatness of Muslims in past as the real purpose and intent of Islam.

In Tillon Main Tail Naheen`` There is no oil in these sesame seeds as the saying goes.

We have to carry our own cross in this world and hereafter.

Religion may have a place in this world, but priests of every religion have absolutely no place to get their benefit in the name of religion at the expense of people`s emotions.

krasihd,

thanks for the response. The question(s), however, was..

``4) Are there any instances in which this Ijtehad produced jurispudence that overrode the explicit injunctions of the Quran/Sunnah? Are there any devices/loopholes through which this would be possible?``

You provided an instance of an ACTION (perhaps impromptu? perhaps unknowledgeable of Quranic injunction?) -- not of jurispudence.

There is no shortage of unIslamic laws and actions by Islamic leaders. That, however, was not the question...

My intent was to ascertain the extent of change possible through Ijtehad, which two hundered posts ago was quite the magic pill being passed around.

Later,

PM

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P.S I didn`t quite get your drift on intentions.

Omar (#386)

In which religion? I know that in the TOrah/Old Testament, the Porphet Amos sings the praises of the female attributes of God.

rgds

All I want to say is, this article only adds to he attested ignornace we are all ignorant of. Talk about ancient theories being tested today! We all need to take pride in our religion. Women are not victims, we are one`s who triumph through it all, and its our time to shine, as for Islamic feminism, there is no need, without women there would be no men. Respect and love for all!

Eid Mubarak!

Rabiya

Omar 1974

Your question has no context.

We only know God by HIS attributes.

And none of them is related to gender.

It is more of a language restriction, I think. Otherwise nobody knows the exact nature of God moreso, male or female.

Prem:#381

You were never guilty of anything my dear dear fellow human being & friend.Nor am I so innocent;)

Ever since the newtonian mechanics,the theologians of atheism & secularism(also known as philosophers & thinkers of modern age)have developed an inferiority complex so garangatuan that it managed to last 3 centuries and infest superior civilisations.

Rationalism (can also be,if I am allowed to coin new terms here,EXCUSIM or APOLOGISM,DOUBTISM) is the curse of the present-day human.Neccessity is no longer the mother of invention.It is invention who is in search of a long lost mother & seeking adoption.A product in search of a market.A war on the look-out for seeds of hatred.And an America itching to prop up a bogey-man------simply because it has nothing to do;like the local feudal who out of boredom kills a hari(serf).

Ever wonder why the society in search of happiness has the most sharaabees,bhangees,charsees,madkees,ganjees,and haramees in the world.This is what our Ba Ba Blacksheep are after.Here reason fails & Rationality takes over.This is the time when oven orders are placed and this is the time when it becomes important to pry open brains to look where the RATIONALITY emanates from.

The effects of intoxicants on deranging the brain are obvious.Heck,that`s the idea isn`t it?

Until & Unless we exorcise the demons of farangi colonialism from among our midst Pyaar,Prem and Ishque o mohabbet will continue to languish on the shores of Calicut.

wassalaam.

Scout

My apologies.

Re: TAhmad

``An inability to change one`s views is not an attribute of adulthood, I think, if by adulthood you mean maturity.``

You are right. What I meant to imply was that adults are less likely to see or admit the flaws in their beliefs than children...the irony is that adults are supposed to be more mature. Sorry for the sloppy language.

(Obivously, my statement is a general one...I`m sure there are adults who are exceptions to this.)

Hamidm:

As I read your enlightening and beautiful thoughts, something flashed inside me - my devilish mind took a yawn and woke up[greeting everyone with a polite hello and a sweet smile]. I could not resist asking you -- the sweet and
sarcastic one with all the foresights and the insights -- your esteemed perspective on few issues. These issues[Musai`l]require careful
contemplation and should be addressed when one is sober. A succinct argument will be very be much
appreciated!

Musail-ae-Tassuvuf`
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question for Omar #386: I hope such profound questions do not take up too much of your time.

Rasaxena #375 ``c) Most participants are adults who aren`t going to change their opinions because of something they read on Chowk.``

An inability to change one`s views is not an attribute of adulthood, I think, if by adulthood you mean maturity.