Porn for Girls
Mahim Maher February 26, 2001
#59 Posted by scout on March 2, 2001 2:02:26 am
Asif Naqshbandi #56,
Toba astagfarullah!
In your shariah/hadith-loving/etc etc fundamental Islam, it`s haram to talk about such things with members of the opposite sex who aren`t married to you.
Please refrain from such ``shaitaani`` postings.
Toba astagfarullah!
In your shariah/hadith-loving/etc etc fundamental Islam, it`s haram to talk about such things with members of the opposite sex who aren`t married to you.
Please refrain from such ``shaitaani`` postings.
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#57 Posted by jawahara on March 2, 2001 2:02:26 am
Asif #56
You said that Islam encouraged frank discussion of sexuality and that Rumi had written eight books on the topic. Then you said that it is unbecoming to talk of such matters publicly, as a Muslim. Sounds contradictory to me. If the religion is open about it as are other religious people, why should only Mahim not be open about masturbation???
You said that Islam encouraged frank discussion of sexuality and that Rumi had written eight books on the topic. Then you said that it is unbecoming to talk of such matters publicly, as a Muslim. Sounds contradictory to me. If the religion is open about it as are other religious people, why should only Mahim not be open about masturbation???
#56 Posted by Godot on March 2, 2001 2:02:26 am
Re: Latif Chappu, #36
Where did you get this? If you wrote it, you are a genius (seriously.) I liked it so much that I copied it and e-mailed it to few people. It is not only humorous but is stunning in its straightforwardness, unlike that obscure ``Porn for Girls`` that beats around the bush (excuse the pun) and doesn`t get anywhere.
Where did you get this? If you wrote it, you are a genius (seriously.) I liked it so much that I copied it and e-mailed it to few people. It is not only humorous but is stunning in its straightforwardness, unlike that obscure ``Porn for Girls`` that beats around the bush (excuse the pun) and doesn`t get anywhere.
#55 Posted by Naqshbandi on March 1, 2001 5:20:41 pm
Hi Mahim!...I am not a big fan of poetry in free verse (whether in Urdu or English or Farsi or any other language) preferring rhyming prose but i do not see what the hullaballoo is all about just because your subject was about an activity which many in our community indulge in but do not like to talk about it; and though it is naive of me, i never thought that muslim girls from pakistan would wank off...)
Personally, I think that it is not vey becoming to discuss such private matters in public but what you do in the privacy of your own bedroom is your own business...;-) As for those people who are saying/himting that you are not a Muslim becoz you admit to masturbating (or certainly writing about it)...come on! Traditional Islam, unlike modern paki society, has discussed all matters sexual openly and frankly as being a complete code of life it legislates on all things and sex is a major human activity. The blessed ulama have also discussed this matter and the general ruling is that though it is generally not encouraged, and considered haram, it is considered better than doing zina (but inferior to controlling ones appetite by fasting) and the Hanafis have said that in some circumstances, if one is weak, it might even be necessary (if for example you have a lot of sexual energy and no halal means of dissipating it --i.e. a husband) or if your hisband/wife is far away from you and you feel the need for sex then it is better for you to wank than to commit adultery. And Allah knows best.
Yraditional Islam is v. candid about female sexuality (just read the hadith!) and some of the greatest ulama have written treatises on how to enhance ones love-making and the various positions, techniques, etc.
The great Jalal uddin Suyuti rahmatullah alayhi wrote EIGHT separate books on this topic!
The great Proof of Islam Imam Ghazzali discusses in a v. candid way how to ensure that the woman reaches orgasm as well so as not to deny her her right...subhan Allah!
It is our shame that we do not KNOW Islam; unfortunately, the trend amongst our so-called elite and ruling class is to mock islam and its ulama based on an insufficient and biased view (aped from the western media)!
To summarise, you seem like a talented writer and that is good :-) But it is better to not discuss such private matters in public as a Muslim....
welcome to Chowk!!! And may Allah give you a Muslim husband who can satisfy all yuor sexual needs (and you his)!!! That is also a part of being a good Muslim. (BTw in shar`iat it is allowed to wank off your partner till he/she comes. A person asked Imam Abu Hanifa about it and he [rahmatullah alayhi] replied that it is allowed and may those who do it get great reward for it.)
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May Allah forgive me any mistakes. ameen.
Personally, I think that it is not vey becoming to discuss such private matters in public but what you do in the privacy of your own bedroom is your own business...;-) As for those people who are saying/himting that you are not a Muslim becoz you admit to masturbating (or certainly writing about it)...come on! Traditional Islam, unlike modern paki society, has discussed all matters sexual openly and frankly as being a complete code of life it legislates on all things and sex is a major human activity. The blessed ulama have also discussed this matter and the general ruling is that though it is generally not encouraged, and considered haram, it is considered better than doing zina (but inferior to controlling ones appetite by fasting) and the Hanafis have said that in some circumstances, if one is weak, it might even be necessary (if for example you have a lot of sexual energy and no halal means of dissipating it --i.e. a husband) or if your hisband/wife is far away from you and you feel the need for sex then it is better for you to wank than to commit adultery. And Allah knows best.
Yraditional Islam is v. candid about female sexuality (just read the hadith!) and some of the greatest ulama have written treatises on how to enhance ones love-making and the various positions, techniques, etc.
The great Jalal uddin Suyuti rahmatullah alayhi wrote EIGHT separate books on this topic!
The great Proof of Islam Imam Ghazzali discusses in a v. candid way how to ensure that the woman reaches orgasm as well so as not to deny her her right...subhan Allah!
It is our shame that we do not KNOW Islam; unfortunately, the trend amongst our so-called elite and ruling class is to mock islam and its ulama based on an insufficient and biased view (aped from the western media)!
To summarise, you seem like a talented writer and that is good :-) But it is better to not discuss such private matters in public as a Muslim....
welcome to Chowk!!! And may Allah give you a Muslim husband who can satisfy all yuor sexual needs (and you his)!!! That is also a part of being a good Muslim. (BTw in shar`iat it is allowed to wank off your partner till he/she comes. A person asked Imam Abu Hanifa about it and he [rahmatullah alayhi] replied that it is allowed and may those who do it get great reward for it.)
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
May Allah forgive me any mistakes. ameen.
#54 Posted by aicha on March 1, 2001 4:18:08 pm
Mahim
I guess your commnet re contributions to society in your earlier piece - was seen in a hallowed light. Nice peom - but frankly without the suggestive title - would not have been able to make the connection. Thouhg I wonder what people`s reaction would have been had this poem been written by a man and was titled ``Porn for Boys``.
I guess your commnet re contributions to society in your earlier piece - was seen in a hallowed light. Nice peom - but frankly without the suggestive title - would not have been able to make the connection. Thouhg I wonder what people`s reaction would have been had this poem been written by a man and was titled ``Porn for Boys``.
#53 Posted by sac on March 1, 2001 3:25:25 pm
Mahim:
That was a nice little gem of a poem. Don`t worry about the naysayers. Most of the time they are either incomprehensible (get help studebaker), and at others they are akin to the corner mosque mullah who find Islam in danger at the mere sight of a sleeveless female. Maybe they should be given a map by Idrisi and allowed to set sail in their tiny rowboats to discover new Islands.........
later
-sac
That was a nice little gem of a poem. Don`t worry about the naysayers. Most of the time they are either incomprehensible (get help studebaker), and at others they are akin to the corner mosque mullah who find Islam in danger at the mere sight of a sleeveless female. Maybe they should be given a map by Idrisi and allowed to set sail in their tiny rowboats to discover new Islands.........
later
-sac
#52 Posted by Asim on March 1, 2001 3:25:25 pm
Re: Mahim and
``As for my comment that I would like to help Pakistani society, how do you know I am not already?``
Agreed. But why mention it so specifically as if you are going out of your way to make a contribution of epic proportions. Islam suggests that one helps another fellow, in need or contributes something to somebody the left hand should not learn of what was given through the right hand.
Creativity without context is a pitfall. You feel ever so proud to represnt Pakistan at some nameless ``canadian`` university, by presenting sub par, unoriginal, poems, which have no literaray basis at all. Serves to show the rather dismal taste and standards of such a forum.
This has nothing to do with religion or taboos. The diatribe you are being forced to listen to is on account of your heavy-handedness and arrogance in dealing with the replies; not for a moment taking the time to realise that your masterpiece might not actually be worth of being called literature much less art.
Perhaps it would be advisable to not wear you heart on a sleeve in terms of contributing to Pakistani society, while juxtaposing your adolescent cravings, onto unsuspecting readers. Granted according to you everybody wanks; Not everybody wants to glorify it to new and previously unscaled heights of notoriety,
Sincerely,
Asim
``As for my comment that I would like to help Pakistani society, how do you know I am not already?``
Agreed. But why mention it so specifically as if you are going out of your way to make a contribution of epic proportions. Islam suggests that one helps another fellow, in need or contributes something to somebody the left hand should not learn of what was given through the right hand.
Creativity without context is a pitfall. You feel ever so proud to represnt Pakistan at some nameless ``canadian`` university, by presenting sub par, unoriginal, poems, which have no literaray basis at all. Serves to show the rather dismal taste and standards of such a forum.
This has nothing to do with religion or taboos. The diatribe you are being forced to listen to is on account of your heavy-handedness and arrogance in dealing with the replies; not for a moment taking the time to realise that your masterpiece might not actually be worth of being called literature much less art.
Perhaps it would be advisable to not wear you heart on a sleeve in terms of contributing to Pakistani society, while juxtaposing your adolescent cravings, onto unsuspecting readers. Granted according to you everybody wanks; Not everybody wants to glorify it to new and previously unscaled heights of notoriety,
Sincerely,
Asim
#51 Posted by rsaxena on March 1, 2001 11:06:14 am
Surprised that perverted shrink hasn`t shown up and devoured this board yet.
#50 Posted by farangi_kush on March 1, 2001 11:06:14 am
Omarphoenix:#43
Thank you for the info.
Nothing is a ``theory``.This ``methodology`` of finding & reporting facts somehow elevates the university type to a brahmin/mullah/priest level.
Some of them are knowingly intellectually corrupt,which thus aggravates their crime.This ignorance coupled with authority is the greatest curse upon us today.
Anybody,even the most ``uneducated``/``backward`` can hold an opinion/conviction.If the ``educated`` one does not understand something it is not anybodys fault.
This is simply written to chip away at the tyrrany & hegemony that our ``learned`` ones exercise.
__________________________________________________
All the west coast of Africa has similar local names.Guinea,Ghana----till recently Gold Coast,Ivory Coast[the english raison .. for their `appreciation`].
Until recently,A guniea was the name of the purest Gold Pound coin.
__________________________________________________
Idrisi was no doubt the greatest cartographer.His maps are still amazingly accurate/detailed.Incidentally they also show the American continent.
Columbus got hold of some maps from Portugal,which really had become a navigational hub because of Prince Henry`s deep interest in the subject.
In those days map makers were a wile bunch(they had to) because they did not want illegal copies of their efforts made.So they incorporated either extra info or omitted some key info to lead astray.
It was important to have the cartographer around to ``explain`` the map once a voyage charter was granted & the map-maker duly acknowledged.
Columbus was lucky to run into one of these & he ran away to Spain with them-----ever fearful for his life!
__________________________________________________
Columbus`s own diaries record his observations that the caribs of the Islands which he ``discovered`` dressed & performed similar acts of worship as he had seen among the muslim moors of Africa.He talks about veiled muslim women & turbanned muslim men in another ship sailing by.
Columbus exterminated EACH & EVERY person of this heritage from ALL the islands.
__________________________________________________
``My name is Mahir Abdal Razzaaq el and I am a Cherokee Blackfoot American Indian who is Muslim.I am known as Eagle Sun Walker.I serve as Pipe Carrier warrior for the Northeastern Band of Cherokee Indians in New York city.There are many muslims in our group.
For the most part,not many people are aware of the Native American contact with Islam that began
over a thousand years ago by some of the early muslim travellers who visited us.
The Peace Treaties,such as one on Delaware River in 1787 bear the signatures of AbdelKhak and Muhammad Ibn Abdullah.All these documents are in the National Archives or Library of Congress.
If you have access to records in the state of South Carolina,read the Moore Sundry Act of 1790.
Almost all the tribes vocabulary include the word Allah.The last Cherokee chief who had a muslim name was Ramadhan Ibn Wati in 1866.
Cities across the US & Canada bear names that are of native & Islamic derivation.Tallahasse,for example,means Allah will deliver you sometime in future.
Etc,etc,etc..........``
( an excerpt from Digging for the red roots,by Mahir Abdul-Razzaq El.)--------courtesy the Message,July 1996.
__________________________________________________
Omar:
This is a very fascinating subject & Pakistani Muslims must be made aware of such lost treasures.
You would be happy to know that the State of Gibraltar has printed a currency note with the picture of the Muslim Conqueror of Gibraltar---the Jabal el Tarique----Tarique bin Ziad.
Pass it on.
__________________________________________________
wassalaam.
Thank you for the info.
Nothing is a ``theory``.This ``methodology`` of finding & reporting facts somehow elevates the university type to a brahmin/mullah/priest level.
Some of them are knowingly intellectually corrupt,which thus aggravates their crime.This ignorance coupled with authority is the greatest curse upon us today.
Anybody,even the most ``uneducated``/``backward`` can hold an opinion/conviction.If the ``educated`` one does not understand something it is not anybodys fault.
This is simply written to chip away at the tyrrany & hegemony that our ``learned`` ones exercise.
__________________________________________________
All the west coast of Africa has similar local names.Guinea,Ghana----till recently Gold Coast,Ivory Coast[the english raison .. for their `appreciation`].
Until recently,A guniea was the name of the purest Gold Pound coin.
__________________________________________________
Idrisi was no doubt the greatest cartographer.His maps are still amazingly accurate/detailed.Incidentally they also show the American continent.
Columbus got hold of some maps from Portugal,which really had become a navigational hub because of Prince Henry`s deep interest in the subject.
In those days map makers were a wile bunch(they had to) because they did not want illegal copies of their efforts made.So they incorporated either extra info or omitted some key info to lead astray.
It was important to have the cartographer around to ``explain`` the map once a voyage charter was granted & the map-maker duly acknowledged.
Columbus was lucky to run into one of these & he ran away to Spain with them-----ever fearful for his life!
__________________________________________________
Columbus`s own diaries record his observations that the caribs of the Islands which he ``discovered`` dressed & performed similar acts of worship as he had seen among the muslim moors of Africa.He talks about veiled muslim women & turbanned muslim men in another ship sailing by.
Columbus exterminated EACH & EVERY person of this heritage from ALL the islands.
__________________________________________________
``My name is Mahir Abdal Razzaaq el and I am a Cherokee Blackfoot American Indian who is Muslim.I am known as Eagle Sun Walker.I serve as Pipe Carrier warrior for the Northeastern Band of Cherokee Indians in New York city.There are many muslims in our group.
For the most part,not many people are aware of the Native American contact with Islam that began
over a thousand years ago by some of the early muslim travellers who visited us.
The Peace Treaties,such as one on Delaware River in 1787 bear the signatures of AbdelKhak and Muhammad Ibn Abdullah.All these documents are in the National Archives or Library of Congress.
If you have access to records in the state of South Carolina,read the Moore Sundry Act of 1790.
Almost all the tribes vocabulary include the word Allah.The last Cherokee chief who had a muslim name was Ramadhan Ibn Wati in 1866.
Cities across the US & Canada bear names that are of native & Islamic derivation.Tallahasse,for example,means Allah will deliver you sometime in future.
Etc,etc,etc..........``
( an excerpt from Digging for the red roots,by Mahir Abdul-Razzaq El.)--------courtesy the Message,July 1996.
__________________________________________________
Omar:
This is a very fascinating subject & Pakistani Muslims must be made aware of such lost treasures.
You would be happy to know that the State of Gibraltar has printed a currency note with the picture of the Muslim Conqueror of Gibraltar---the Jabal el Tarique----Tarique bin Ziad.
Pass it on.
__________________________________________________
wassalaam.
#49 Posted by sharayar on March 1, 2001 11:06:14 am
And just as I feel my
end is near
when I almost merge
with the two onscreen...
...you are there,
banging
my
door
down.
so what did that person find you with....coke,pepsi bottle.....before you ended up in Jinnah hospital?
#48 Posted by Mahim on March 1, 2001 11:06:14 am
Thanks Bina.
Personal attacks and ribald permutations on my poem seem to be very popular at Chowk.
I did have the good fortune to study abroad. That should not be held against me or anyone else. As for my comment that I would like to help Pakistani society, how do you know I am not already? And why does everyone take it upon themselves to judge my supposed social contributions or lack thereof?
I do not wonder how each poem `helps` Pakistan when I write it. I just write as the words come.
As Pakistanis we certainly do not need the awards of Canadian universities to justify or applaud our writing. But I am proud of the fact that I did represent Pakistan in that way at the University. I used some poems to enlighten people I met there about Pakistani Culture. Why are some comments so xenophobic then? Xenophobia does not equal patriotism. it means narrow mindedness.
Irving Layton might have written what many consider obscene poems, but sending work in for an award doesn`t mean you have to write like Irving Layton himself.
Personal attacks and ribald permutations on my poem seem to be very popular at Chowk.
I did have the good fortune to study abroad. That should not be held against me or anyone else. As for my comment that I would like to help Pakistani society, how do you know I am not already? And why does everyone take it upon themselves to judge my supposed social contributions or lack thereof?
I do not wonder how each poem `helps` Pakistan when I write it. I just write as the words come.
As Pakistanis we certainly do not need the awards of Canadian universities to justify or applaud our writing. But I am proud of the fact that I did represent Pakistan in that way at the University. I used some poems to enlighten people I met there about Pakistani Culture. Why are some comments so xenophobic then? Xenophobia does not equal patriotism. it means narrow mindedness.
Irving Layton might have written what many consider obscene poems, but sending work in for an award doesn`t mean you have to write like Irving Layton himself.
#47 Posted by sharayar on March 1, 2001 11:06:14 am
Mahim....
Get a life rather than this vibrator up ur -----
DHUH!
Get a life rather than this vibrator up ur -----
DHUH!
#46 Posted by Urstruly on March 1, 2001 9:19:34 am
Bina # 41
I agree.
But it is poetess` responsibility (more than reader`s)to be explicit about her intentions. Her comment #8 in her last post makes it very political and `infringing on religion` issue. She must understand that if there was any opposition/critique to her work, it was due to the quality of her work and to some extent the content (not the political and religious side (there aint none)of it but the decency). She must not snap back at her readers and blame them for being biasd against her.
I agree.
But it is poetess` responsibility (more than reader`s)to be explicit about her intentions. Her comment #8 in her last post makes it very political and `infringing on religion` issue. She must understand that if there was any opposition/critique to her work, it was due to the quality of her work and to some extent the content (not the political and religious side (there aint none)of it but the decency). She must not snap back at her readers and blame them for being biasd against her.
#45 Posted by Studebaker on March 1, 2001 2:55:53 am
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#44 Posted by hamidm on March 1, 2001 2:55:53 am
.......... why all this hubhub about some silly little limerick ?..... i have seen better stuff sitting on the toilet at a truck stop ...... and don`t you know that this practice leads to blindness and eternal damnation ? ... may satan have mercy on your rotten little souls .... stop it ! now !
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