They Changed My God

hamidm #77 I guess nothing is sacred and beyond reproach, as you explain at length. The only thing you take seriously appears to be yourself and your posts. This is the second time you have demonstrated this by loosing your cool when I have criticized your oh-so-cool posts.

I provided you two reasons for my request: you reject what I said in (a) and ignore what I said in (b). Fine. The first was an appeal for some decency, i.e. to your sense of consideration for other people`s feelings. You chose to misinterpret what I said and started explaining why God can take it (I am sure he can, but I was appealing for some consideration for other posters, not God). (b) was a request not to start confusing an ongoing discussion with your attempts at being funny by presenting Quranic verses as if they were at par with the ridiculous claims made by the mullahs, when the entire point of my earlier post was that what the mullahs say is the opposite of the Quran (I guess you dont believe that either - this is not the only thing you have in common with the mullahs whom your sophisticated self despises).

Anyways, the hell with it and you can go on posting your monotonous dotted posts and the mullahs can go on pretending they speak for Islam. Dont let me stop you geniuses.

scout #76 thanks for the thanks. :-)

TAhmed:

Great Post. I am referring to your post # 82. I fully second your sentiments on the dotted mania by the dot dot. Keep it up!

Regards :-)

tahmed

``what the mullahs say is the opposite of the Quran``

........ there are at least twenty five refrences in the koran which clearly state the fate of the hypocrite and hundreds which damn the kafir to hellfire .... so are you saying that all these have been misinterpreted by the mullahs ? ........ i am sure that the hypocrites and kafirs and ahmedis and bahais will be delighted.

I am sure you see the irony in your statement about tolerance and regard for other people`s ``feelings``. As much as we would like it to be otherwise - there is no allowance for such niceties in the great religions. History is replete with examples of ``religious tolerance`` from the inquisition to the execution of jews at khandaq to the pogrom of the ahmedis and now shias. So let us call a spade a spade - we have to admit the flaws before they can be fixed.

........ i can`t believe i went a whole undotted paragraph ........ i told you - religion is bad for you

hamidm:

I expect no less from ppl. like urself.

How conveniently u have equated the well deserved fate of the jews at khandaq to the inquisition.

I would really like to believe that this is simply due to a lack of study of history and having the incorrect set of facts, unfortunately having read ur previous postings i tend to think otherwise.

This is simply the filth in ur mind accumulated over some time.

My friend the jews at khandaq were guilty of treachery at a time of war. Their case was decided by Saad Bin Maaz (who had ties with these jews) in accordance with the torah.

The last time i read abt the inquisition i found nothing as such.

Maybe u and ur like have yet again rewritten history to suit ur aims.

Abt the ahmadies again u twist the facts to fit the conclusion u would like.

During the anti ahmadi movement all i repeat all sects of the muslims were united in declaring them non-muslims. This is not the case with the shite muslims.

I hope u will not stoop to blatant lies just to make a point.

Furthermore ur study of the quran seems rather poor and limited so i would suggest u read the following:

For a correct view on Islamic History

1. The Spirit of Islam Ameer Ali

2. Tareek e Tabari Tabari

3. Tareekh ul Khulafa Sayuti

For understanding the quran

1. Towards Understanding the Quran Maudoodi

2. In the Shade of the Quran Syed Qutub

Hopefully these will clear ur confusion

(But only if u want to ie)

May Allah Shower His blessings on the believers

Adnan

HamidM #

So the music of today is liberty and justice rather than Kafir and Hypocrite.

But the Indians are rewarded for demolishing Babri Mosque with millions of Muslim minorities and later bloodshed of them.......and Afghans are threatened for demolishing Buddha statue with no minority and no bloodshed.

Israel is rewarded for Sabra and Shatila massacre and attack on US and UN forces in Lebanon (To the point of not re electing Batrous Ghali for ordering and releasing the report)...... While Libya and Iraq are threatened and bombed.

UN resolutions are for East Timur, Afghanistan and Iraq...... and not for India and Israel.

Let me dance... Tut...Turu...Turu liberty justice.

hamidm #85

``........ i can`t believe i went a whole undotted paragraph ........ i told you - religion is bad for you ``

Damn!! Stole my line!

scout #from the other board
One last one, promise.

Since there is no place of individual judgement and understanding in a perfectly religious society(apparently) reason and rationality would be controlled substances. Their production would be nationalized and centralized (global tenders not permitted). Citizens would be supplied through pipes to every home like electricty and water with metering. The use of reason and rationality would be heavily regulated. Theft would be strongly punished. In times of shortage or war, supply would be subject to outages ...

Sadhana

tahmed #81:

sigh... laughter is a good medicine. do give it a try sometime.

Re: tahmed#71; scout, #74; hamidm, #77

I`m in complete agreement with scout and tahmed321, and vehemently disagree with hamidm re mocking religion and God.

Belief in God is too deep seated in human psyche. It is the foundation on which, for a vast majority of people, their entire emotional being rests. To mock it and shake it, for me at least, is cardinal sin.

One would not mock a person`s race in an open forum such as Chowk. This is, if nothing else, sheer out of respect, and not to hurt one`s feelings.

Why, then, one would choose to mock another`s deep seated and scared beliefs? Not a wise one, indeed.

Hamidm #85 The Quran indeed has many references to hell and to the Judgement Day and to Hypocrites as well. But read carefully how a Hypocrite is described, and I think you will agree that the description fits that of the mullah like a glove fits a hand: A Hypocrite is one who makes a show of prayer and piety when his mind is on other things. A Mullah does precisely the same, while lusting for power and unearned wealth. The Quran is good news for ordinary people, muslim or otherwise, since it speaks of them with affection and that they have nothing to fear on Judgement Day. It is very bad news for the fundamentalists and Mullahs, whose behavior and attitudes are described quite accurately in the Quran and the harshest words (people who claim to have some special inspiration that sets them apart from ordinary men such as pirs and ulema are termed the most wicked of men). When I discussed these issues with people like Mr. Adnan and other Mullah apologists on chowk, I found they either (a) deny the clear words of the Quran by calling them out of context when that is clearly not the case (b) simply drop out of the argument and stop responding, but re-emerge somewhere else (as I see Mr. Adnan has done) quoting their own sources (the finality of the prophethood of which these people talk so fervently means no more to them than to the Ahmadis, except the latter are no more vocal in Pakistan).

Hope this explains my point. Dont just accept the mullahs words, and try and understand what the Quran says. You will then agree with me that it is truly a great gift to mankind and good news for all good people. Sorry if I sound like a preacher, but I really feel the Quran can be a great force in promoting decency and character (badly lacking in our greedy and venal elite), rather than the evil and destruction and cruelty that the Hypocrites (aka Mullahs, fundamentalists) are so inclined towards.

Congratulations on writing a full para. with no dots. I knew you could do it, buddy.

Zahra: Looks like Hamidm is cured. Hallelujah.

Re: Godot #92

Wow, you`re an insightful fellow.

PM,

I think you will appreciate the difference between nation and state... and also appreciate the fact that I spoke about Culture, not religion.

I spoke of a reality, but Jinnah`s speech is the ideal which we have to work towards.

YLH

tahmed #82:

You are peeved because Hamidm has thrown open the doors to reveal the utter hypocracy of organized religion, Islam included!

The biggest problem with religions, particularly Islam, is that the believers assume exclusiveness and superority over others.

All I can say is

I just love it.......

Maulana Asif Naqshbandi headed up the Chowk Inquisition during its early years; other great Muslim cyber-warriors such as Qari Tahmed and the convert Brother RSaxena joined him later. The Inquisition set out to purge the chowk of all those who did not have pure quraish or islamic blood during a time of merry-making by the apostate hamidm ( may he burn in eternal fire) and his heathen companions. Its main targets were Hindoos, Ahmedis, Jews, Hypocrites and Dots ( people who claimed to be Muslims but were disciples of George Carlin and spoke in dots ) and its preferred methods included torture and ritual burning at the stake. The Chowk Inquisition peaked with the expulsion of all Hypocrites, Comedians and Dots from the Chowk in the summer of Zilhaj 1421.

......... this means i still have a few months to try and reverse the course of history. Maybe, this time, humanity will triumph over fear and superstition.