Obsession with Borderline Issues

Ref Farzana Versey #: 484

[Empathy: “Krashid, Ali1, Urstruly: Farzana says you have a mind full of pigeon-crap”]

You did say `mind full of pigeon-crap`, didn`t you? What would that be?

How about defining religion, while you are at it?

Ref tahmed321 #: 531

[harimau #528 Preaching as usual I see. Fascinating how a fellow who obviously despises everything about Pakistan cant seem to get away from discussing his hatreds with Pakistanis either.]

Studebaker to whome #528 is addressed is an Indian Muslim peddling used cars on the Chowk. Get the nationalities of verious people straight in your head. That is, if you have any attention span beyond 3 minutes.

[Try some laxatives - those might help where all other pills have failed.]

The ones who go by the rulebook and don`t deviate from it for whatever reason are called anal-retentive. The followers of Al-Kitab qualify eminently for that term. However, any amount of laxatives is not going to get the sh!t out of their brains.

krashid #530

``You want to keep all good people to yourself and sending all Maleech and dirt of India to us.``

Keep them to yourself Sir.

They are habituated to living in gutter.``

Yaar hakim, that`s why I am sending them to you..) they find that they are not habituated to living in my place.

Ref AAmir #: 529

You said {Yes ayurvedic colege & yoga centers only indicate the kind of emphasis hindutva govt wants to put in.}

You could always apply for the BUMS degree at the University of Poona.

In case you think I am making this up, on my last trip to Bombay I saw this degree on a board outside a doctor`s office in Mahim.

I believe it stands for Bachelor of Unani Medical System.

So, equal rights for Unani and Ayurvedic systems are already there in India, that too in Poona, located in Hindutva-oriented, Shiv Sena dominated Maharashtra.

krashid #515 I thought the local governments would have enhanced revenue collecting powers. That is the way to give them teeth: give them resources. As for provincial governments, I think we dont need provinces at all. They add nothing of value other than give parochial politicians a tabla to play with and cause divisions among people.

Sameer #510 I agree that the military has done enough damage to Pakistan, and future historians will probably appreciate the damage much more than we do today. You ask ``By the way, can you tell me why Musharraf wants to remain president even if there are election before October 2002.`` Same reason so many other men love power - I am sure there is a ``power gene`` somewhere in our genome. Also, it is hard to get off a tiger, and a military takeover basically puts the generals in that spot. What we need is for the SC to come out loud and clear that the military takeover was the only solution given what NS was trying to do, and that the generals will have earned the nation`s gratitude if they step totally away in 2002. That way no one gets hurt and we have another attempt at democracy and would-be mard-i-momins like NS will realize that if they try to become civilian dictators the military will be back.

Shammi #511 On patwaris and land records: they are trying in Pakistan in a couple of places as well to computerize patwari records. When I was in Pakistan last time I invested in a 2 inch thick book on the land record system there. It looks pretty grim for anyone trying to computerize: the units of measure vary depending on where you are and so forth. But...I think the mighty patwaris days are numbered since there is just too much pressure to modernize land records.

harimau #528 Preaching as usual I see. Fascinating how a fellow who obviously despises everything about Pakistan cant seem to get away from discussing his hatreds with Pakistanis either. Try some laxatives - those might help where all other pills have failed.

Friend #526

That is bad that you want to send them to my clinic.

You want to keep all good people to yourself and sending all Maleech and dirt of India to us.

Keep them to yourself Sir.

They are habituated to living in gutter.

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Ref Studebaker #: 512

[2/ I mention ,Indian muslim know how POOR india is ,we DONT WANT HINDUTVA GOVT Baniya money,We havent .We want coperation in recognition of established institutions Accreditions &endorsement as Institutions established by Sangh Parivar like Veda center ,Sanskrit univ, Ashram of YOga ,AShrams of dubioius activities of sex orgy & drugs in rajnesh to many swamis & GODS ashrams for western perverts ,drop outs, hippies & druggies.]

Is the Rajneesh center in Poona funded by the Government of India? Is the Rajneesh Ashram granting degrees in sexology recognized by the Govt of India and the University Grants Commission? Even if that is the case, what use is such a degree?

You are ranting and raving for nothing. Muslims can send their children to school just like Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Jains, and Parsis do. If instead, you use your children to weave carpets, roll beedis, tan leather, make brass vessels or do embroidery work, it may teach them a craft but it is not going to earn them the livelihood their grandparents earned.

Anybody can start an elementary school or a high school in India and get the school recognition. The children can write their Plus Two exams and apply to any existing college or university. Just to please you people, Urdu is offered as a language of study in places such as Kerala and Tamil Nadu where even the Muslims don`t speak that language. But you folks have to drag your butts out of bed and to school daily if you want an education. And you need to stop worrying about boys and girls going to school together. That kind of thinking is what is going to prevent the girls from attending school.

Get your house in order.

Shammi: Good to hear from you. I will try to respond a bit later today once I get some things out of the way.

Sameer: Same as above for you too, sir.

krashid #524

``Why exporting them to some other country?

Put those Mallech people of uncertain country in a dungeon and blast them.

You take too much pains for exporting them.``

Doctor sahib, even that is too much trouble. I will send them to your clinic. That will be their worst nightmare ..)

#Studebaker

I mention ,Indian muslim know how POOR india is ,we DONT WANT HINDUTVA GOVT Baniya money,We havent .We want coperation in recognition of established institutions Accreditions &endorsement as Institutions established by Sangh Parivar like

Veda center ,Sanskrit univ, Ashram of YOga ,AShrams of dubioius activities of sex orgy & drugs in rajnesh to many swamis & GODS ashrams for western perverts ,drop outs, hippies & druggies.



which institutions are you talking about in particular? Do you want the NCERT/UGC to recognise these muslim institutions? Do they meet the requirements? About the ``Institutions established by Sangh Parivar``, none of them have contributed anything to raise the literacy level of India despite the alleged accredition/ endorsement they get. Heck, they did`nt even exist till a few years ago. Inspite of the bad implementation on ground, corporation schools and govt. colleges are still the ones doing the fine job of educating the masses. Do you expect the corresponding muslim institutions will really deliver and recognition is the only obstacle on the way? And you havent answered my question, despite the intense hardships hindu masses face, most still manage to send their wards to any sub-standard corporation school for some education. Why arent the muslim masses doing the same - and this is not a MYTH, it is plain from the govt. statistics on enrollment? Are they refused/ill-treated/discriminated? Why do some muslims feel more comfortable sending their wards to Muslim institutions or not sending them at all?

In summary, i believe many Hindus genuinely understand the problems faced by Indian muslims and are aware of the groundswell of hostility that has cropped up against them in recent years. You can witness that concern even here at chowk, where despite your most insulting posts on Hinduism some of us are still interested in finding what exactly is wrong and how might it be fixed. Ultimately, the wellbeing of minorities is not guaranteed by the goodwill of the majority. Muslim problems are not going to vanish in thin air even if the ``Hindutva baniya govt`` is replaced by a ``secular govt`` for eternity. One needs a good system to ENSURE that even a hostile govt cannot derail the advancement of minorities. Now, you tell us, has the Indian education system placed impediments on muslim education?

Friend # Why exporting them to some other country?

Put those Mallech people of uncertain country in a dungeon and blast them.

You take too much pains for exporting them.

Many many thanks to all from the bottom of my heart for participating in a wonderful discussion on this thread. I doubt if I will ever be able to repeat this level of active participation. This was a very pleasant but time consuming experience.

Khuda Hafiz, Sat Sri Akal and Namaste

Love you all,

Sameer