Sher Shah Suri

Dear Mr Kabuliwallah,

Sir,

The Union of Muslim Countries I had proposed is already underway www.d8net.org , and why do you suppose it will non-secular? I believe that the Union of Muslim countries that I propose I believe that the Muslim Nations need to organize themselves but I dont believe in this Union being exclusionary. Once firmly in place the next step in evolution would be to open it to other countries of Non Muslim and Non Asian origin.

I dont know why you are playing secular vs non secular game in this particular proposal.

The thesaurus words for secular for your benefit:

1) Earthly

2) Non Spiritual

3) Civic

4) Non Religious

The Union that I had proposed had nothing to do with religion except for that common religious beliefs will initially serve to bring these countries together. Slowly this Muslim Union will have to give way to a third world Union.

-LONG LIVE PAKISTAN

Krashid,

I have started to read Mr Beg`s article.... thankyou for suggesting it :)

-YLH

re: ylh # 899

I think Muslims derive a sort of pride out of being labelled as `jehadi`...I think it makes them feel heroic and manly...certainly, it might have a negative connotation in the West, where the meaning of Jehad has been distorted, but in your own country, a Jehadi, I am sure, would be met with respect and awe


On the other hand, the word you used, bania, will be met with displeasure by most Hindus, in India or anywhere...maybe except of course, Hindus belonging to the Vaishya caste...even they would, I think, rather not use `baniya` because of the negative connotations of the word...isn`t it surprising that Muslims stereotype Hindus (I certainly haven`t seen the West stereotyping Hindus as banias) by giving them a casteist term while they tom tom all over town that they don`t believe in caste?...well most South Asian Muslims anyways


on the ICBM issue, if India was making ICBMs to get its way with its neighbours, then all the major disputes between countries with ICBMs and their neighbours would be over by now...China has them...Taiwan still rages on...Russia has `em...Chechnya continues to fester...



Pakistan should not feel insecure if India (God forbid) acquires ICBMs...if you want to anyways, thats your problem...like you yourself said, the range of an ICBM is far too large to hurt Pakistan or even Islamic and Muslim countries...so please, stop approriating Pakistan with importance that it does not have...everything that India does is not aimed against Pakistan...I`d rather India compete with mighty China than Pakistan...but that doesn`t satisfy Pakistan does it?...it wants to be reckoned important enough to lock horns with India...but then again whines about how India is responsible for all the problems in the subcontinent...please grow up....and take responsibility for your actions


And as for a Union of Muslim countries, if that ever happens, non-Muslim and secular- democratic countries will have to form a group of their own to counter it...for Islamic and Muslim countries are not free of fanaticism of their own...eent ka jawab patthar se

Kabuli

YLH #899

Beta Nazren Kahin Aur Nishana Kahin Thaa.

(With apology Beta is used in colloquial terms of Lalukhati style).

Did you read India Unvarnished by Mr. Baig on Chowk.

It is echoeing the same thoughts you have presented.

Krashid,

Thankyou so much sir for your heartwarming comments. Needless to say, your kind post is one of the very few encouraging posts I receive. I hope I live upto your expectations and be worthy of your praise.

Kabuliwallah,

The stereotype of a Muslim is ``crazed War monger fanatic waging a war in the name of Allah`` or in other words a ``Jehadi``. The stereotype of a Hindu unfortunately is ``a person with acute business sense, who is very miserly and calculating about his or her money. In short a Bania is similar to Shylock of the merchant of Venice``.

So you see how I was comparing the two words?

India is making ICBMs not because it is surrounded in enemies because the ICBMs, (Inter-Continental Ballistic Missiles) have a range much greater than required to target Pakistan, China, Myanmar, Bangladesh or even any Islamic Country. The range of the ICBM enables India to target Europe and the US.

Clearly India is making ICBMs to bully the world into accepting its terms on Kashmir, and basically leave it alone to slap Pakistan around.

So you see your reply was most unfortunate because I have already refuted that argument. It is not out of security threat that India is making ICBMs.

Pakistan doesnot need to make ICBMs... what Pakistan needs to do is promote a Union of Muslim Countries based on the European Union Model, for the rise of Hindu Fanaticism, despite all constitutional safeguards in India is obvious.

-YLH

Ref Studebaker #: 893

[What are you suggesting that all brahmins are supposed to be smarter than me or any Dalits?]

I have never once made that claim in any of my posts.

[If you think some Brahmins seat was given to me because i was A MUSLIM,rest assured that never happened.]

I didn`t say that either.

[In fact i faced much more hardship than brahmin or Dalit hindu .On technicality i had been sidelined even though my score, academics recommendations were excellent from the beginning.In one instence the university chancellor ,told me on the face that he would give my seat to a refugee from pakistan with lesser credentials.

Finally ,i accepted my third choice even when my standing assured me 1st choice ,WHICH ANY BRAHMIN WITH MY CREDENTIALS WOULD HAVE GOTTEN HANDS DOWN!!]

If you want to compare notes, I graduated in the First Division at the time of entry into college. I was one of 425 students to do so; there were 975 engineering seats at that time in my home state. I did not get one of those seats. I had to look around for a college that would admit students on an All-India basis, leave my home state to go study there. I graduated in top 2% of the graduating class in engineering in that state (not the specific college I attended but in the entire state).

You claim a Brahmin would have gotten his choice hands sown. I have to disagree based on the personal experience narrated above.

Those of us who have been treated in this way have no problem with that. In fact, it is rather easy to spot those who make it despite disadvantages. They tend to persevere and they have the respect of those who were admitted ahead of them on political/caste considerations. They also get noticed by employers who don`t put any store by the social policies of the govt but want the best employees.

re: scout # 813

``Don`t tell me you`ve never uttered something negative about Pakistan in retaliation to something negative about India?...Whatever I have said about India has been in retaliation to what an Indian has said to me. I`m not going to sit like a `bheegi billi` and shut up when someone`s degrading my identity.``

Then why all the b!tch!ing about the abuse hurled at mothers and sisters?...how are you ANY different from those who abuse mothers and sisters?...now understand what I meant by consistency?...why the pretension of superior moral authority?...if you can hurl abuse at another country to retaliate for what someone said about your country, then why can`t somebody do the same to someone`s female relative to retaliate against what that someone said about that person`s female relative?...though I am ashamed of myself for stooping to chuggad`s level, I only dished out what he started...my question is, what should a person think of you, for whom his country is more important than any relative?...if you are sensitive enough to feel about mothers and sisters, are you sensitive enough to think of others` nationalistic feelings?...in any case, I have always said that Indians and Pakis should stay out of each others` affairs...you yourself have commended me for this in the past.

If you are going to be consistent with your logic, then please sermonize about anything you want...but if are going to be an occasional turd, then please spare us the billicrap

Kabuli

re: ylh # 811

dude do you seriously think bania and jehadi mean the same, even in an analogical sense?

A Jehadi in reality or when used in language is sacrificing himself, wrongly or rightly...the word bania when used in language is used to describe a selfish and calculating person...if you want a word that is parallel to Jehadi in the Indian context, then try Kar Sevak


Why is India making ICBMs?...ummm, lets see, maybe because India is surrounded by enemies?...now Pakiland is giving naval assistance to Myanmar?...lets see, what the hell does Pakiland and Myanmar have in common?...maybe both are run by dictators?....but I do agree with you that ICBMs will be a huge drain on India`s resources, which could be better spent on primary education...and also, they will increase the insecurity of ummm, US, Europe or the far east of China?...but definitely not Pakistan...its an ICBM for crying out loud...if India has to nuke China, will Pakiland also have to nuke China?

Gymnosophist #891

Just an observation.

The number of Muslim doctors coming from India is begligible at least not one in ten as far as my residency program goes and I know of other places.

If a Hindu person is not admitted to Medical coleege, that does not make the statistics in favor of Muslims.

Ref headshrinker #: 890

[Heheh...still sore about that huh?! Good...made my day!]

Nope. Still laughing at you.

You have no credibility whatsoever.

Didn`t you make the ridiculous claim that you were discriminated against in India? Let us see: your dad is a doc, your brother is a doc and you also claim to be quack. So, with three doctors in the family, where did you experience discrimination? You mean, God ran out of brains when it came your turn? Maybe it was intentional.

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Ref krashid #: 888

[Scout #880

You have some wrong assumptions.

After the verdict in late 80,s by New York (or supreme court) the doctor came in large number. Before that it was not so easy.]

The green card for doctors was easy from mid-1960s to 1976. That is when the great liberal Sen. Ted Kennedy sponsored legislation at the instigation of the AMA that stopped green cards for doctors (unless they are married to US citizens or green card holders). Simultaneouly, the AMA forced major cuts in residency programs so that the flood of doctors who beat the 1976 law with hours to spare were unable to get into training programs for several years. To this day, doctors only come here on H1-B or J-1 visas. J-1 requires them to return to their home countries for at least 2 years. You can get waivers by agreeing to serve in American Indian reservations or in godforsaken places. But enough loopholes exist so that the newer doctors can still manage to get their green cards. Times between 1976 and 2985 were particularly tough for foreign doctors.

But the interesting thing is that Studebaker claims to have experienced discrimination in India, or ``the belly of the beast`` as he prefers to call it. As member of a 13% minority group, he gets into a competitive professional field whereas as an upper casteman cannot get into medical college in most states in India. I am wondering who has the right to cry discrimination.

harimou,

{{He misunderstood my post about, ``I drive a Jag`` as boasting from me and came back with a boasting of his own. Normal male behavior, I would think.

Maybe I should have said ``I have a beautiful wife`` or ``I dip my hiney in the waters off Allahabad``. Perhaps then you will all catch on.}}

Heheh...still sore about that huh?! Good...made my day!

scout,

The nerve of these guys--pouncing on you just because you appealed to them to be more respectful of women & elders! Love the way you hold your own.

heheh--all these jerks trying to tussle with my jalapeno cybersis get castrated.

FYI, to all those guys who pounced on her for making disparaging remarks about Indian women. I distinctly remember scouty apologising for it. Besides, which of us has`nt put our foot in our mouth?

Saxena,

Wall street is giving you heartaches these days; dont it?! All those stockbrokers getting laid off an`all. Nobody is buying your pretzels. Maybe because you coat them with coconut oil.

Wee bit jealous of desi docs; arent we?! Didnt your mommy tell you to study hard & become a doctor? Poor lady. Knowing your personality, you probably picked a fight with her as well. Serves you right. I bet she`s very proud of you selling pretzels out of a pushcart on Wall Street.

Harimau #

What is wrong, if I am acting as in interpreter of YLH.

He is the most talented, highly read person, who buttresses his arguments with facts and figures.

In fact there is no other interactor on chowk who can compete with him.

And plenty of abuse towards YLH on his to the point posts is sufficient proof that he speaks the truth.

Scout #880

You have some wrong assumptions.

After the verdict in late 80,s by New York (or supreme court) the doctor came in large number. Before that it was not so easy.

Second doctors or any other professional will go where the money is. It is not the fault of doctors that they came here, but American Government which is not producing enough doctors at home.

Third the doctors in Pakistan although do not spend a large amount of money, but it is a very competitive field.

You can judge from the fact that out of 80,000 students who appeared for exam, 450 got admission into medical college.

Although it is true that the family support takes care of lot of problems and a person can concentrate on studies.

But it is a very tough job, to get admission in medical college as far as hard work is concerned.

Hope it relieves some misconception.

Moreover the ``Thaat Bat`` of doctors in America is not the fault of doctors themselves as you will recognize.

In our countries doctors live in much poverty than in USA.

RSridhar #886

You are still waiting?

YLH let`s repeat the stories upteenth time.

A for apple. B for Bat . J for Jalim.

:-), :-)