Loves loved {some not so loved}
Zehra Rizvi May 11, 2001
#33 Posted by Bijli on May 15, 2001 12:05:59 pm
THE CASE FOR SPIDERMAN JANAM—BHOOMI
Now that the Babri masjid has been demolished and foundation stones laid for a Rama temple at the location claimed to be the Rama—janam—bhoomi (Rama—birthplace), it is time that other great personalities such as Spiderman, Wonderwoman, Tarzan, the Incredible Hulk, Sherlock Holmes, Rambo etc are also given their due honour. They must also be considered as real heros as Rama of the Ramayana myth; no Hindhu would have reasons to deny that these characters did not exist as well. The only difference is that Rama of the Ramayana fiction (myth) originated in India while the other fictional characters originated in the west.The fact that these imaginary characters were ‘born’ in the Christian west should not prevent anyone from recognizing the fact that they are all avatars (reincarnation) of Hindhu mythical deities, and hence should not stop the Hindus from building temples to honour them. Therefore, the BJP, VHP, RSS and other Hindu organizations should turn their attention now to this overdue religious duty and help correct this great injustice.By the way, one of my Sri Lankan Hindu friends recently brought to my attention some facts which would make our American friends look like dwarfs in space technology. Our Lankan friend claims that thousands years ago, that is, long before the Americans even dreamt of space travel, the Lankans were engaged in space flights. For proof, he says one has to just read Ramayana. According to Ramayana, the then Lankan king, Rawana, came to know that Sita, the wife of Rama, was a ravishingly beautiful woman. The lustful Rawana, flew over to India, and brought Sita to Lanka, all by space flight. He kept her as one of his concubines for as many as twelve years. Rama, the avatar of Shiva, remained helpless all this while until Hanuman, the mythical monkey, invaded Sri Lanka and rescued her.The same Lankan friend claims that the invasion of Lanka by the Indian army a few years ago, has deep rooted historical relevance. He is absolutely convinced that all those invading Indian soldiers were not human beings, but avatars of monkeys. For proof, he says one has only to look at the animal—like behaviour- of the Indian soldiers. No other proof of would be necessary.According to a news item in the October issue of “INDIA TODAY”, a monkey in the city of Varnasi in Uttar Predesh had died. The local Hindus promptly recognized it as an avatar of Hanuman and took it on a royal procession on the back of an elephant for its final rites.
Coming to think about it, King Kong, the gorilla, is also an avtar of Hanuman. There is no need for any doubts about it; otherwise, can someone explain how King Kong could have climbed Time square, the world’s tallest building and tore it down to pieces, if he were a mere gorilla? Too bad the Americans don’t understand this. The Time Square must indeed be demolished and a temple built in its place, the rightful Hanuman—Janam—bhoomi.HOME
Why are Indian Hindus so obsessed with MONKEYS.In the west Monkey is viled as immitating creatures good for nothin original.
Sunday May 13, 12:51 AM
``Man-monkey`` triggers panic in suburban New
DelhiYahoo! News
· Breaking News
· NEW DELHI, May 12 (AFP) - A man masquerading as a giant monkey is suspected of behind a string of crazed attacks which have triggered an exodus from an industrial suburb of New Delhi, Indian police Saturday.
The police revealed the bizarre case after another resident of an enclave of the township of Ghaziabad was seriously ``mauled`` Saturday by what local residents said was a ``man-monkey`` on the prowl.
More than a dozen people have been hospitalised with fractures and severe injuries as a result of the attacks since April 28, many of them from falls while running away.
Local police said that despite an operation to arrest the disguised mischief-maker, the suspect was still ambushing residents at will, but neither robbed or sexually assaulted his victims.
The Press Trust of India (PTI) described Ghaziabad, a sprawling township of around 150,000 people some 35 kilometres (22 miles) north of Delhi, as in an absolute panic.
``There is certainly absolute panic in the city. I and senior police officers are taking the rounds of the city and we have deployed a lot of personnel,`` said Ghaziabad police chief Prashant Kumar.
``Somebody is playing a mischief by wearing a mask. There is absolutely no scientific basis to the stories,`` he said, referring to rumours the attacker was a modern-day Frankenstein.
One witness, Ganesh Jha, of the Maharana Vihar Residents` Association, claimed he came face to face with the ``huge man-monkey`` and saw him jump 20 feet (six metres) in the air.
``We were taking an evening walk when we walked into this huge man-monkey. The monster sprang up 20 feet from a crouching position and grabbed the branches of a tree and vanished before me and my children could even scream,`` Jha told AFP.
PTI and the Hindi-language Hindustan daily said Ghaziabad was deserted, with its once-lively shopping malls closing before sundown in fear.
Thousands have sent their children away from Ghaziabad and many office-goers were staying indoors, the Hindustan said.
Many local residents are saying the attacks are by a genetic scientist who experimented on himself with an unspecified and untested serum. Police have discounted the rumour as rubbish.
Speculation of a killer ``stoneman`` rocked Calcutta eight years ago following the murder of a dozen homeless people in the eastern city.
The mystery ended with the arrest of a serial killer who used large rocks to batter his sleeping victims.I REST MY CASE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now that the Babri masjid has been demolished and foundation stones laid for a Rama temple at the location claimed to be the Rama—janam—bhoomi (Rama—birthplace), it is time that other great personalities such as Spiderman, Wonderwoman, Tarzan, the Incredible Hulk, Sherlock Holmes, Rambo etc are also given their due honour. They must also be considered as real heros as Rama of the Ramayana myth; no Hindhu would have reasons to deny that these characters did not exist as well. The only difference is that Rama of the Ramayana fiction (myth) originated in India while the other fictional characters originated in the west.The fact that these imaginary characters were ‘born’ in the Christian west should not prevent anyone from recognizing the fact that they are all avatars (reincarnation) of Hindhu mythical deities, and hence should not stop the Hindus from building temples to honour them. Therefore, the BJP, VHP, RSS and other Hindu organizations should turn their attention now to this overdue religious duty and help correct this great injustice.By the way, one of my Sri Lankan Hindu friends recently brought to my attention some facts which would make our American friends look like dwarfs in space technology. Our Lankan friend claims that thousands years ago, that is, long before the Americans even dreamt of space travel, the Lankans were engaged in space flights. For proof, he says one has to just read Ramayana. According to Ramayana, the then Lankan king, Rawana, came to know that Sita, the wife of Rama, was a ravishingly beautiful woman. The lustful Rawana, flew over to India, and brought Sita to Lanka, all by space flight. He kept her as one of his concubines for as many as twelve years. Rama, the avatar of Shiva, remained helpless all this while until Hanuman, the mythical monkey, invaded Sri Lanka and rescued her.The same Lankan friend claims that the invasion of Lanka by the Indian army a few years ago, has deep rooted historical relevance. He is absolutely convinced that all those invading Indian soldiers were not human beings, but avatars of monkeys. For proof, he says one has only to look at the animal—like behaviour- of the Indian soldiers. No other proof of would be necessary.According to a news item in the October issue of “INDIA TODAY”, a monkey in the city of Varnasi in Uttar Predesh had died. The local Hindus promptly recognized it as an avatar of Hanuman and took it on a royal procession on the back of an elephant for its final rites.
Coming to think about it, King Kong, the gorilla, is also an avtar of Hanuman. There is no need for any doubts about it; otherwise, can someone explain how King Kong could have climbed Time square, the world’s tallest building and tore it down to pieces, if he were a mere gorilla? Too bad the Americans don’t understand this. The Time Square must indeed be demolished and a temple built in its place, the rightful Hanuman—Janam—bhoomi.HOME
Why are Indian Hindus so obsessed with MONKEYS.In the west Monkey is viled as immitating creatures good for nothin original.
Sunday May 13, 12:51 AM
``Man-monkey`` triggers panic in suburban New
DelhiYahoo! News
· Breaking News
· NEW DELHI, May 12 (AFP) - A man masquerading as a giant monkey is suspected of behind a string of crazed attacks which have triggered an exodus from an industrial suburb of New Delhi, Indian police Saturday.
The police revealed the bizarre case after another resident of an enclave of the township of Ghaziabad was seriously ``mauled`` Saturday by what local residents said was a ``man-monkey`` on the prowl.
More than a dozen people have been hospitalised with fractures and severe injuries as a result of the attacks since April 28, many of them from falls while running away.
Local police said that despite an operation to arrest the disguised mischief-maker, the suspect was still ambushing residents at will, but neither robbed or sexually assaulted his victims.
The Press Trust of India (PTI) described Ghaziabad, a sprawling township of around 150,000 people some 35 kilometres (22 miles) north of Delhi, as in an absolute panic.
``There is certainly absolute panic in the city. I and senior police officers are taking the rounds of the city and we have deployed a lot of personnel,`` said Ghaziabad police chief Prashant Kumar.
``Somebody is playing a mischief by wearing a mask. There is absolutely no scientific basis to the stories,`` he said, referring to rumours the attacker was a modern-day Frankenstein.
One witness, Ganesh Jha, of the Maharana Vihar Residents` Association, claimed he came face to face with the ``huge man-monkey`` and saw him jump 20 feet (six metres) in the air.
``We were taking an evening walk when we walked into this huge man-monkey. The monster sprang up 20 feet from a crouching position and grabbed the branches of a tree and vanished before me and my children could even scream,`` Jha told AFP.
PTI and the Hindi-language Hindustan daily said Ghaziabad was deserted, with its once-lively shopping malls closing before sundown in fear.
Thousands have sent their children away from Ghaziabad and many office-goers were staying indoors, the Hindustan said.
Many local residents are saying the attacks are by a genetic scientist who experimented on himself with an unspecified and untested serum. Police have discounted the rumour as rubbish.
Speculation of a killer ``stoneman`` rocked Calcutta eight years ago following the murder of a dozen homeless people in the eastern city.
The mystery ended with the arrest of a serial killer who used large rocks to batter his sleeping victims.I REST MY CASE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#32 Posted by Bijli on May 15, 2001 12:05:59 pm
Sunday May 13, 12:51 AM
``Man-monkey`` triggers panic in suburban
New DelhiYahoo! News
· Breaking News
· NEW DELHI, May 12 (AFP) - A man masquerading as a giant monkey is suspected of behind a string of crazed attacks which have triggered an exodus from an industrial suburb of New Delhi, Indian police Saturday.
The police revealed the bizarre case after another resident of an enclave of the township of Ghaziabad was seriously ``mauled`` Saturday by what local residents said was a ``man-monkey`` on the prowl.
More than a dozen people have been hospitalised with fractures and severe injuries as a result of the attacks since April 28, many of them from falls while running away.
Local police said that despite an operation to arrest the disguised mischief-maker, the suspect was still ambushing residents at will, but neither robbed or sexually assaulted his victims.
The Press Trust of India (PTI) described Ghaziabad, a sprawling township of around 150,000 people some 35 kilometres (22 miles) north of Delhi, as in an absolute panic.
``There is certainly absolute panic in the city. I and senior police officers are taking the rounds of the city and we have deployed a lot of personnel,`` said Ghaziabad police chief Prashant Kumar.
``Somebody is playing a mischief by wearing a mask. There is absolutely no scientific basis to the stories,`` he said, referring to rumours the attacker was a modern-day Frankenstein.
One witness, Ganesh Jha, of the Maharana Vihar Residents` Association, claimed he came face to face with the ``huge man-monkey`` and saw him jump 20 feet (six metres) in the air.
``We were taking an evening walk when we walked into this huge man-monkey. The monster sprang up 20 feet from a crouching position and grabbed the branches of a tree and vanished before me and my children could even scream,`` Jha told AFP.
PTI and the Hindi-language Hindustan daily said Ghaziabad was deserted, with its once-lively shopping malls closing before sundown in fear.
Thousands have sent their children away from Ghaziabad and many office-goers were staying indoors, the Hindustan said.
Many local residents are saying the attacks are by a genetic scientist who experimented on himself with an unspecified and untested serum. Police have discounted the rumour as rubbish.
Speculation of a killer ``stoneman`` rocked Calcutta eight years ago following the murder of a dozen homeless people in the eastern city.
The mystery ended with the arrest of a serial killer who used large rocks to batter his sleeping victims.
#31 Posted by Bina on May 15, 2001 11:58:33 am
Z -
Thanks for taking my point so well. I take yours equally well. The secretive nature of most Pakistanis (men and women) is born of necessity. I read something Kamila Shamsie said once, that because we are conservative and repressed here, writers learn how to say things using elaborate metaphors. Useful exercise or cowardly hedging? I`m not sure...
B.
Thanks for taking my point so well. I take yours equally well. The secretive nature of most Pakistanis (men and women) is born of necessity. I read something Kamila Shamsie said once, that because we are conservative and repressed here, writers learn how to say things using elaborate metaphors. Useful exercise or cowardly hedging? I`m not sure...
B.
#30 Posted by Urstruly on May 15, 2001 9:14:12 am
Zehra!
I have two comments on this excellent piece of yours:
1. SHEER GENIUS
The honest expression of sensuality turns this small work into a work of art only because there is a sheer genius of a mind behind it. BUT I hate to be a grandma here and tell you that expressing sensuality is like walking over a sharp blade stretched over an abyss (pul-e-siraat). The temptations are high and they are bound to supress the genius sooner or later. Anyone can be Erica Jong but keeping your genius intact is an incredible feat.
2. WHAT THE HELL
God! Jesus! What the hell! It seems that none of the the lady authors and poetesses on chowk ever seen a good day in their whole life (couple of exceptions are Anne, Siama Shah, and Bad Girl; I wonder why they dont write much). Such doom and gloom is chocking, or may be its just me. For heavens sake for once write something bright and shiney.
I have two comments on this excellent piece of yours:
1. SHEER GENIUS
The honest expression of sensuality turns this small work into a work of art only because there is a sheer genius of a mind behind it. BUT I hate to be a grandma here and tell you that expressing sensuality is like walking over a sharp blade stretched over an abyss (pul-e-siraat). The temptations are high and they are bound to supress the genius sooner or later. Anyone can be Erica Jong but keeping your genius intact is an incredible feat.
2. WHAT THE HELL
God! Jesus! What the hell! It seems that none of the the lady authors and poetesses on chowk ever seen a good day in their whole life (couple of exceptions are Anne, Siama Shah, and Bad Girl; I wonder why they dont write much). Such doom and gloom is chocking, or may be its just me. For heavens sake for once write something bright and shiney.
#29 Posted by rehanhasanansar on May 15, 2001 2:44:51 am
nasah #489 ``It was about time. Lock him up and throw the keys in the Chenab.``
Agreed. I think the mullahs have exposed themselves to be paper tigers in Pakistan. A few months ago, a few shouts from a mullah in some boondock in Pakistan would have the generals scurrying over to calm him down. Not any more. Now they go behind bars.
Agreed. I think the mullahs have exposed themselves to be paper tigers in Pakistan. A few months ago, a few shouts from a mullah in some boondock in Pakistan would have the generals scurrying over to calm him down. Not any more. Now they go behind bars.
#28 Posted by perfidy on May 14, 2001 6:52:52 pm
as you thrive on interaction, any thoughts on
kerouac or the beats
kerouac or the beats
#27 Posted by Umer.M.Phoenix on May 14, 2001 6:52:52 pm
Of course I am still too much of a traditional thinker to do that `kuri rakhda e` stuff.
Take care and best wishes
Take care and best wishes
#26 Posted by Zehra on May 14, 2001 2:18:36 pm
wow, responses responses.
this is why i love chowk by the way..the interaction with people. what amazes me is the many many ways in which people will view, understand and read the work.
farzana i thought youd like it :) i look forward to your responses to my work...you always find something or add to it somehow. thanks :)
masd, thank you. i dont think ive seen you respond on poetry before..glad it moved you :)
scout, :P
narain, ylh, perfidy thanks. nahin thakhti
saadpaslam...multiple this time...thats always better i think.
fozia, ahh fozia. i liked your response the most. and i could give you a nice long drawn out response explaning everything but i think it all comes down to.....mindgames :)
hobbyt...always memories. never the real thing..i am changing that though...living in the now and realizing how good it is :)
patrick...nyc kab awo gay? i would love to meet you, yaar..(bring the 12 step manual with you).
bina: whatever slink says is the gospel as far as im concerned.
i dont see it as masochism....but your point is well taken. i like being taken apart this way..it helps me see me as others see me. and i love that my work be described as raw and uncensored.
this secretiveness is very pakistani. its something i avoid. the worth of a person is pakistan is measured by how much information they can gather about another person while giving out the least bit of info about themselves. i sort of understand why though in pakistan...its the right to remain silent otherwise everything you say can and will be held against you in a court of law.
these arent pages from my journal by the way. those would go more like this...
dear diary, today im wearing my blue dress with pink bows in my hair. i ate tuna fish for lunch and after writing this im going to go out to the new sephora store that opened up on 5th ave. won`t that be fun? there was a cute boy who looked at me for a millisecond on the street...i think he has a crush on me...i`ll have to ask next time i see him. i know where he lives since i accidentally followed him home...he lives on 43rd street...i think its fate...4 plus 3 is 7 and as you know, 7 is my lucky number. i hope his apartment is nice so that once we get married and i move in i`ll be happy there. i`ll write again tomorrow and let you know how millisecond boy proposed. love always, zehra.
!K!...i could lie and say no...that was you (parts not all) BUT that was like 2 years ago...
fzk khala....adaab arz hai. ap kay footsteps main hi chal rahee houn.
i think that covered everyone who needed covering.
rizvi.
this is why i love chowk by the way..the interaction with people. what amazes me is the many many ways in which people will view, understand and read the work.
farzana i thought youd like it :) i look forward to your responses to my work...you always find something or add to it somehow. thanks :)
masd, thank you. i dont think ive seen you respond on poetry before..glad it moved you :)
scout, :P
narain, ylh, perfidy thanks. nahin thakhti
saadpaslam...multiple this time...thats always better i think.
fozia, ahh fozia. i liked your response the most. and i could give you a nice long drawn out response explaning everything but i think it all comes down to.....mindgames :)
hobbyt...always memories. never the real thing..i am changing that though...living in the now and realizing how good it is :)
patrick...nyc kab awo gay? i would love to meet you, yaar..(bring the 12 step manual with you).
bina: whatever slink says is the gospel as far as im concerned.
i dont see it as masochism....but your point is well taken. i like being taken apart this way..it helps me see me as others see me. and i love that my work be described as raw and uncensored.
this secretiveness is very pakistani. its something i avoid. the worth of a person is pakistan is measured by how much information they can gather about another person while giving out the least bit of info about themselves. i sort of understand why though in pakistan...its the right to remain silent otherwise everything you say can and will be held against you in a court of law.
these arent pages from my journal by the way. those would go more like this...
dear diary, today im wearing my blue dress with pink bows in my hair. i ate tuna fish for lunch and after writing this im going to go out to the new sephora store that opened up on 5th ave. won`t that be fun? there was a cute boy who looked at me for a millisecond on the street...i think he has a crush on me...i`ll have to ask next time i see him. i know where he lives since i accidentally followed him home...he lives on 43rd street...i think its fate...4 plus 3 is 7 and as you know, 7 is my lucky number. i hope his apartment is nice so that once we get married and i move in i`ll be happy there. i`ll write again tomorrow and let you know how millisecond boy proposed. love always, zehra.
!K!...i could lie and say no...that was you (parts not all) BUT that was like 2 years ago...
fzk khala....adaab arz hai. ap kay footsteps main hi chal rahee houn.
i think that covered everyone who needed covering.
rizvi.
#25 Posted by Bina on May 14, 2001 4:35:23 am
Rizvi -
Feel as though I am reading pages from your diary. Am not sure if this is a good or a bad thing. Somehow in my own writing I always feel there should be a difference between the ``I`` of reality and the ``I`` of narration. Why, you say? Perhaps it is my secretive nature (hee hee, T) but to put the raw, uncensored me out there on the page and let everyone have their way with her seems to me masochistic. Unless you like your jinns with tonic, as Slink says.
B.
Feel as though I am reading pages from your diary. Am not sure if this is a good or a bad thing. Somehow in my own writing I always feel there should be a difference between the ``I`` of reality and the ``I`` of narration. Why, you say? Perhaps it is my secretive nature (hee hee, T) but to put the raw, uncensored me out there on the page and let everyone have their way with her seems to me masochistic. Unless you like your jinns with tonic, as Slink says.
B.
#24 Posted by perfidy on May 13, 2001 9:07:03 pm
whats wrong with wallowing taimur?
rizvi, a delight to read, as ever. aap thaktee nahin?
rizvi, a delight to read, as ever. aap thaktee nahin?
#23 Posted by Umer.M.Phoenix on May 13, 2001 9:07:03 pm
`Do you think it is as painful for a phoenix?`
Damn right it is lady. You tootie fruties have no idea what real pain is. Still, everything has a price and the fertile ashes given in the deal have been good to me. Reeeeeaaal good!!!
Take care
Damn right it is lady. You tootie fruties have no idea what real pain is. Still, everything has a price and the fertile ashes given in the deal have been good to me. Reeeeeaaal good!!!
Take care
#22 Posted by hobbyty on May 13, 2001 9:07:03 pm
I put a spell on you!
because you`r mine!
Good stuff, again? Is it him you miss, or what you felt you were, those many months age?
because you`r mine!
Good stuff, again? Is it him you miss, or what you felt you were, those many months age?
#21 Posted by PM on May 13, 2001 9:07:03 pm
Z:
``The Evil Knevil in me says,
What the hell? Why not?
What doesn`t kill you, makes you stronger``
heheheh ... if, darling, IF it doesn`t kill you!
Thought about the 12-step? :-)
rgds,
PM
``The Evil Knevil in me says,
What the hell? Why not?
What doesn`t kill you, makes you stronger``
heheheh ... if, darling, IF it doesn`t kill you!
Thought about the 12-step? :-)
rgds,
PM
#20 Posted by MasdAmad on May 13, 2001 4:02:45 pm
what a poem!!!
he was stupid that he lost u first time and more stupid when he tried to get you second time.
he was stupid that he lost u first time and more stupid when he tried to get you second time.
#19 Posted by taimurmalik on May 13, 2001 4:02:45 pm
hehehe.
don`t tell me you still haven`t gotten over him:)
nice one.
don`t tell me you still haven`t gotten over him:)
nice one.
#18 Posted by fzk on May 13, 2001 4:02:45 pm
As always you wrote from my heart.
The came. The laffed. They loved. They loafed. They Left.
Good work - yet again, darling.
fzk/.. (Zehra Sr.)
The came. The laffed. They loved. They loafed. They Left.
Good work - yet again, darling.
fzk/.. (Zehra Sr.)
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