Desi: The False Ideology

Re: Tahmed

And please keep YLH on that side of the LC. In fact if you promise to keep him there, you can have Sonali Bendre as well!

65 bottles of beer on the wall.

Re: Tahmed 1100

Yaar I will make that deal anyday! OK... give me all the captains in your team

Anwar

Younis

Akram

Latif

Inzi

Judging by the fact that a lazy unimaginative dope like Azhar is the winningest captain in Indian history... Inzi will break all records if he ever captained India!

In the meanwhile you keep Aishwaria... we have an abundance of these cavorting starlet types.

66 bottles of beer on the wall.

PM #1105
``Changing reality``
Yes, why should anyone accept a status quo he doesnot like? But to be effective and successful with one`s efforts, one is required to be more honest with oneself than ylh shows himself to be. He exposes himself to ridicule and makes his learning process more painful than need be because he makes it obvious that he rejects other points of view based solely on his emotional preferences.

A recent example is ylh`s lack of acknowledgement of macgupta`s post #1008 incontrast to so preceding many posts from ylh on the topic full of vitriolic remarks for India, Indians and Indian posters.

Indians reading ylh and #1008 and making a comparison(the topic is caste and Indian democracy) would judge by
1. corroboration or not of their own experiences and the society they have lived in
2. corroboration of their own judgement of the basis presented for arguments presented by Ashutosh Varshney vs arguments of ylh
3. corroboration of their own judgement of the merits of the arguments presented by both

If its obvious to Indian posters that what Ashutosh
Varshney says has more basis and his arguments carry more weight than ylh`s they will wonder why after so much emotional energy expended cursing Indians, ylh doesnot have the honesty of acknowledge the more solid basis of Varshney`s arguments.

Even if ylh doesnot accept the basis of Varshney`s arguments, then why doesn`t he present basis of equal merit to counter Varshney`s arguments? For this one requires honesty to acknowledge the merit of the others point of view and an orderly discussion without these endless detours into ylh`s emotional outbursts.

But acknowledging that any Indian`s arguments may have ANY basis?? That attacks the premise of ylh`s whole world view, which it seems is based on the total wrongness or betrayal(as Aisha puts it) inherent in any Indian point of view. So I personally have reached the conclusion, why even try, when even speaking up is considered the inherent evilness of Indians esp on a ``Pakistan site``(everything finally boils down to this, whether ylh or anyone else)

And through his mere stamina of posting, others may stop thinking it worthwhile to interact.

I recommended in a previous post that if he sets so much store by all this, he ought to compile and put down in a scholarly paper or something his interpretations of Jinnah vs Gandhi and attendant consequences of their different approaches in modern India and Pakistan with coherent logically constructed arguments. But for such an endeavor, he needs a clear mind unclouded by emotions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/23/world/23TURK.html


June 23, 2001

Turkish Court Bans Religious Party, Main Opposition Force

By DOUGLAS FRANTZ

ISTANBUL, June 22 — Turkey`s messy political system suffered another jolt today when the country`s highest court banned the religious- oriented Virtue Party. The court said the main opposition party violated a law that prohibited religious activities that could undermine the secular government.

The court stopped short of expelling large numbers of the party from Parliament, a move that would have automatically led to new elections because it would have left more than 5 percent of the Parliament seats vacant. The party controls 102 of the 550 seats. Most of the rest are split among the three governing parties.

The decision was announced after financial markets had closed here, but it seems highly likely to contribute to the turmoil that has seen the currency plunge, thousands of businesses close and 500,000 Turks lose their jobs since February.

Prime Minister Bulent Ecevit ruled out early elections, saying the country had to deal with its economic difficulties. ``An atmosphere of an early election does not exist in any way,`` Mr. Ecevit told reporters before the court announced its decision. ``We are trying to solve the problems accumulated over the years. Even mentioning early elections is out of the question.``

Closing the Virtue Party will alter the political equation at a time when Mr. Ecevit`s three-party coalition already faces strains in its effort to restore economic stability and to carry out changes demanded by international agencies in exchange for $16 billion in loans.

In its ruling, the Constitutional Court found that the party was a focus of ``Islamic and antisecular activities.`` Two members were expelled from Parliament, and five others were banned from politics for five years, which means they cannot join or form a party in that period.

Among the banned members of Parliament was Merve Kavakci, who caused a stir two years ago when she was denied permission to take the oath of office because she refused to remove her head scarf. Many conservative Turks view a head scarf as a symbol of Islamic piety. But the law bars civil servants and students from wearing them because of their religious connotations.

``It was decided by majority vote that the Virtue Party will be permanently closed for activities contrary to the principle of the secular republic,`` Chief Justice Mustafa Bumin told reporters in Ankara, where the decision was announced.

A large contingent of Virtue Party members threatened this week to resign if the party was closed. Most experts said the members would move to existing parties or form a new party. The Virtue Party`s popularity has fallen in recent months, along with the popularity of the governing parties.

Oner Ayan, manager of emerging markets at Raymond James, the investment bank in New York, said the financial markets were quite unlikely to have a strong reaction unless a large number of party members resigned after the court decision, raising the prospect of elections.

The European Union, which is weighing Turkey`s candidacy for membership, is widely expected to criticize the decision, even though it is legal to ban parties in Europe, and Germany is in the process of shutting down a neo-fascist organization.

In most cases, however, European parties are banned for advocating or participating in violence. The Virtue Party was closed for nonviolent activities more often defined as thought crimes.

``The Europeans tend to expect real violence or potential action among the reasons to ban a party,`` said Cagri Erhan, deputy director of European research at Ankara University.

The Virtue Party sprang full grown from the ashes of the Welfare Party, which became the country`s most powerful Islamic-oriented party in 1996, when its leader, Necmettin Erbakan, became prime minister in a coalition government.

The coalition collapsed after a year in office under heavy pressure from the powerful military, which considers itself the guardian of the secular system. The military and opposition politicians argued that Mr. Erbakan had given crucial government jobs to people who supported Islamic law. After the Welfare Party was ousted from government, a court closed it, Mr. Erbakan was banned from politics for life, and most supporters made a smooth transition to the new Virtue Party.

This time, however, political Islam seems more fragmented. Former Mayor Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Istanbul, a former party member, has indicated that he will form a moderate Islamic party, though he is still banned from politics.

1191....here we come!this should be worth at least 5 bottles of beer.........ok, ok, i didn`t write it myself but it was a long cut-n -paste routine......but it is pretty interesting....

All arguments in this book have been supported by full proofs and facts for which

we have listed the names of the sources, their publishers and addresses (from P.4).

We appreciate your valuable criticism and suggestions to the news media for our

revised editions.

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TO YOU!

If you are a Hindu, judge for yourself and circulate this book and its contents if

they are found to be true.

As a true citizen of India, you must not fail in your duty. Should you fail in your

duty, your children and grandchildren will suffer because of your failure to

correct these corrupt practices.

The great English philosopher Edmund Burke said:

``Silent spectators are Dangerous.``

SAVE OUR MOTHERLAND

We love India, our Homeland, and bear no hatred against anyone. As Indians we

want to help and save our Motherland from her troubles and promote peace and

harmony amongst its citizens. Bearing that in mind this book has been written.

SECTION I

INTRODUCTION

JAWAHARLAL NEHRU said in his ``THE DISCOVERY OF INDIA`` (Page 37):

``HINDUISM as a faith is vague, amorphous, many sided, all things to all men.

It is hardly possible to define it, or indeed to say definitely whether it is a religion

or not, in the usual sense of the word. In its present form, and even in the past, it

embraces many beliefs and practices, from the highest to the lowest, often

opposed to or contradicting each other.``

WHAT IS RELIGION?

Religion is a way of life and practice in order to obtain success in this world and

the hereafter. Each and every religion has the same basic principles but follows

different ways and methods to reach God. A religion should be based on justice,

love, humanity and equal rights. A religion should satisfy human nature. All

humanity is the creation of God and God does not discriminate between His

creations whether white or black, high and low, rich and poor, and so on. God

always upholds the right principles and naturally would not support the aggressor

over the weaker. God always sympathises with the victim who has been punished

without reason. No man can reach God by banning, enslaving, fooling and

cheating another fellow human in the name of religion.

THE PURPOSE OF THIS BOOK

The purpose of this book is not to attack any religion. In this book we seek to expose

the betrayal of truth and also the injustice to human dignity in the name of religion.

There are many religions in India, therefore followers of each religion should

respect other faiths. Regrettably, these self-proclaimed high caste Brahmins have

sowed the seeds of hatred in the minds of Hindus in relation to other faiths,

creating many problems for the peaceful lives, not only of Christians and

Muslims, but also the low-caste Hindus.

On the other hand, it is the Hindus, particularly the Brahmins, who are behind

communal disturbances in India affecting low caste Hindus, Christians and Muslims.

Their claim, for example, that 600 churches (including Mandaikkadu, Neelakkal )

and 3000 mosques (including Babri Masjid) were once Hindu temples is quite

untrue and they are not based on historical or scientific evidence.

Have you read today`s newspaper? If yes, you would have noticed that it was full

of news about violence from all over India. In one place the high caste Hindu is

holding the low caste Hindu in bondage. In another, Hindu-Christian communal

violence. In another, the Hindus and Muslims fight over trivial matters, and the

Hindus and Sikhs are at each other`s throats.

Have you ever thought why all these disturbances happen and who is instigating

them? The answer should be very simple if you think and probe. The organisers

(terrorists) are the high caste Brahmins of Rashtriya Swayam Sewak Sang (RSS),

Shiv Sena and their allies.

Brahmins criticise other citizen`s religions without first having examined their

own religion. Hence we are FORCED to write this booklet with the intention of

bringing some facts to light. Let us analyse and see whether Hinduism

(Brahminism) satisfies human nature and whether it is based on justice, love,

humanity and equal rights.

AN OPEN CHALLENGE

My dear fellow citizens of India, I am sure you will all be very shocked with the

unassailable evidence collected from the Brahmin Holy books to prepare this

booklet.

We invite any Brahmin to challenge the contents of this book in public, in the

newspaper, or any media of their choice. If we have not heard from them of any

comments concerning this book, then the reader will know the truth.

ARE YOU A HINDU?

If so, then:

Have you ever really read the Vedas, Upanishads, Smritis and Puranas (Ramayana

and Mahabharata)?

Your answer most probably will be: ``No!``

The Hindu mentality is such, that it usually accepts anything without questioning

its authenticity. The reason is that for several centuries the higher cast Brahmin

has taught that the low caste Hindu has no right to question any discrepancies in

Hindu beliefs and mythology.

SECTION II

WHO ARE THE BRAHMINS?

The word Brahmin incorporates all the upper-caste Hindus of India. They claim

that, because they were made from God Brahma`s head, they are the chosen

people of God. Worshipping a Brahmin is akin to worshippirig God incarnate.

Serving a Brahmin and offering him alms is like serving God himself. These are

in the beliefs that are inculcated in the minds of all other people, especially in the

low caste Hindus. As a result, five percent of the Indian population have

psychologically enslaved the other 95 percent.

The Brahmins are the ``Aryan`` invaders of India who entered the country

thousands of years ago via the Khyber Pass. Over the centuries they have

established themselves firmly on Indian soil by ruling over, and enslaving, the

country`s original inhabitants.

DIVISIONS AMONG THE BRAHMINS

In Southern India the main divisions among the Brahmins are the Ayyars and the

Ayyangers. A thorough study of these two groups will give the reader the correct

knowledge of their gods, writings, families, culture and above all, the centuries

old concealed rivalry between them for power and influence.

The Ayyars are, by physical composition, the more direct descendants of the

Aryans invaders. They have fair complexions, long noses and other physical

features characteristic of Germans.

The MANU SMRITI (BIBLE OF HINDUISM) says:

(a) A Brahmin is born to fulfill Dharma. Whatever exists in the world is the

property of the Brahmin. On account of the excellence of his origin, he is entitled

to all. All mortals subsist through the benevolence of the Brahmin.

(b) Ignorant or learned, a Brahmin is still a great deity.

TO BRAHMINS - THE THREE WORLDS AND THE GODS OWE THEIR

EXISTENCE.

Dr Ambedkar says the cardinal principles of Brahminism are six:

1. Graded inequality between the different classes.

2. The complete disarmament of the Shudras and Untouchables.

3. The complete prohibition of education to the Shudras and Untouchables.

4. Ban on the Shudras and the Untouchables in occupying places of power and

authority.

5. Ban on the Shudras and the Untouchables in acquiring property.

6. The complete subjugation and suppression of women.

``Inequality is therefore the official doctrine of BRAHMINISM`` (IBID - 204).

``Devadhinam jagat sarvarm

Mantradhinam ta devata

Tam Mantram Brahmandhinam

Brahmana nam devata``

Meaning:

The Universe is under the power of gods,

The gods are under the power of the mantras,

The mantras are under the power of the Brahmins,

Therefore the Brahmins are our gods.

Abbe J.A. Dubois`s ``Hindu Manners, Customs and Ceremonies`` Oxford, Third

Edition 1906, Page 139. See also page 93.

FANATICAL HINDU PARTIES

RASHTRIYA SWAYAM SEWAK SHANG (R.S.S.)

VISHWA HINDU PARISHAD

HINDU MUNNANI

ARYA SAMAJ

SHIV SENA

BHARATIYA JANATA PARISHAD

SANT SAMITI

HINDU MAHASABHA

BAAJRANG DAL

LEADERS OF FANATIC GROUPS

L.K. ADVANI

ASHOK SINGHAL

BALA SAHEB DEVARAS

BAL THACKERAY

A.B. VAJPAYEE

SAVARKAR

BAIKUNTH LAL SHARMA ``PREM``.

PROF. BALRAJ MADHOK

THE SHANKARACHARYA OF PURI, NIRANJAN DEV THEERTH.

VARIYAR - VISHWAN HINDU PARISHAD.

RAMA GOPALAN

DHARMALINGA NADAR

CHO RAMASAMY

RASHTRIYA SWAYAM SEWAK SANGH (R.S.S.)

Dr Keshav Baliram Hegdewar, a Sithpawan Brahmin, was the founder of R.S.S.

Today they have grown very powerful and are threatening the unity of India.

Many of us are not aware of the policies and principles of R.S.S. e.g.:

* Women cannot become members of the R.S.S.

* The R.S.S. opposes the women`s voting right.

* Only SITHPAWAN BRAHMINS (Blue eyed people - generally identified by

low caste Hindus as ``Cobras``) can become top leaders of the R.S.S.

* It opposes Communism, Sikhism, Christianity and Islam.

* It`s main principle is that the Aryans (Brahmins) should rule India.

* It is an Anti-Dravidian movement.

* All sorts of terrorist training are given to its members.

* It supports ``Sati`` (Widow burning).

* Its aim is to make Sanskrit the national language of India,

* It specialises in creating rumours and brainwashing people.

The Achievements of R.S.S.

* The Assassination of Mahathma Ghandi. (The reason for his assassination was

that he preached inter-communal harmony and equality amongst people, including

the low caste Hindus.

* The attempt to kill Dr Ambedkar by poisoning him.

* The attempt to kill Mr Kamaraj Nadar.

* The attack on Mr Karpoori Tagore (this was because he was from the barber

profession and community).

Recently the R.S.S. has been recruiting retired police and military officials to

take charge of their massacres.

SHIV SENA

``Garv se kaho hum Hindu hai`` (Say proudly we are Hindus!) is the latest call of

Shiv Sena. It is not in the name of India and its welfare, but it is in the name of

Hindu fanaticism.

Balasaheb Thackery`s (the founder of Shiv Sena) first aim was to force the

Malayalis, the Tamils and the Kannadigas to leave Bombay. As this did not attract

much support, he switched his hatred to the Sikhs, Christians and Muslims.

Oh Hindu! instead of fighting the Sikhs, Christians and Muslims, why don`t you

fight the caste system? Instead of saying proudly, ``we are Hindus!``, let us say

proudly, ``We are Indians!``

THE PROVINCIAL ARMED CONSTABULARY

(PAC)

This is one example of Militant Hindu Police (pro RSS) working under the banner

of the Indian Police Force. So far not even a single non-Hindu member has been

recruited to this group which receives higher pay and better facilities from the

Government of India.

Mr Khuswant Singh has the following to say in the ``HINDUSTAN TIMES`` on

this subject:

``It is no longer any secret that the loss of life in both Delhi and Meerut was

predominantly Muslim and the majority of victims were killed by bullets fired by

the police and the Provincial Armed Constabulary. Our government controlled

media tried to camouflage this ugly truth.``

A private independent enquiry revealed that the RSS Chief (Ex D.I.G. of police)

had masterminded the Meerut massacre and executed the plan.

THE AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL REPORT ON

``MEERUT`` MASSACRE

Reuters reported the following on the 19th November 1987:

``Amnesty International has concluded that there is strong evidence that members

of the Provincial Armed Constabulary were responsible for the Muslim massacre

and the deliberate killing of unarmed civilians during the riots and following

days. There is also evidence to suggest that at least five Muslims arrested in

connection with the rioting died in jail mainly as a result of injuries inflicted upon

them after arrest.``

The report added that witnesses had charged PAC officers (all Brahmins and

High caste Hindus) of herding Muslims into trucks and later shooting them dead.

Their bodies were then tossed into canals and rivers.

THE NEWS BLACKOUT BY

THE BRAHMIN MEDIA

All the Brahmin controlled newspapers and Government media have

wholeheartedly blacked out the Amnesty International Report. It was only

published by the Western media.

THE PLIGHT OF THE LOW CASTES

1. THE ``Untouchables ARE NOT HINDUS``!

So says THE SHANKARACHARYA OF PURI whom the Brahmin worship as

their ``great leader`` (India Express April 4, 1989).

Balasaheb Deoras (RSS Chief) and Bal Thackeray (Shiv Sena chief) should go

and correct Shankaracharya of Puri before begging untouchable Harijans for

support.

According to Manu (A Hindu Holy Book) it says:

* The Shudras belong to the same category as crows, frogs, ducks, moles, dogs

or transport animals and have the same disabilities as members of their category.

* It is permissible for a member of the high caste to expropriate the wealth of a

Shudra by deceit.

* The different castes shall pay interest at different rates, the lowest will pay the

highest rate.

* A Shudra`s witness is not normally to be accepted when there is no witness of

a ``twice-born`` person.

To get a strong foothold in India, the Brahmin divided the sons of India into various

different castes. According to a recent government survey there are more than 2,000

castes in India. Each caste claims superiority over the other, a man from one caste will

not marry a girl of another caste, no two castes congregate together........ and so on.

See page 79 [SECTION VII, The Hindu Gods].

BONDED LABOUR

Brahminism and the Vedas have the way for the bonded Labour System in India.

After 40 years of independence we still can`t save the low caste Shudras from this

bonded labour.

The Times of India reported on 10th May 1987 that Swami Agnivesh, President

of the Bonded Labour Liberation Front, said that more than 20,000 people,

mostly Harijans and Adivasis, were still being exploited and were leading the

lives of slaves in the West Champaran and Gopalganj districts of North Bihar.

This he proved to the Government with unassailable evidence.

We are living in the 20th century where science and technology have advanced

unprecedently and yet, in some parts of India, even today a low caste Hindu

cannot pass along a street from one end to the other without first having his

chappals removed and placed on his head. Hotels and other eating places also

maintain separate cutlery for low caste Hindus.

The First Indian Governor General and Ex-Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu Mr.

Rajagopalachari, alias Rajaji, advocated that people should pass down through

generations the professions of their father and forefathers in order to reduce

unemployment. This suggestion was highly praised by many newspapers owned

by Brahmins/ RSS.

The reasoning behind this advocacy was to keep the low castes tied down to their

menial jobs while the Brahmins maintained their high positions.

Why are the so called low caste Hindus financially destitute? Why is India economically

backward? It is because the Brahmins do not allow others to progress. They hold high

offices in government, control the news media, educational system etc. How

could others possibly rise up, and break free of the caste system bondage?

Needless to say, with all the facilities at their disposal they produce brilliant

scientists, doctors etc. Assuredly even the low caste Hindus could do this if they

were provided with the same facilities.

PUNISHMENT FOR LOW CASTE HINDUS

The tongue of a Shudra, who spoke evil about a BRAHMIN should be cut off A

Shudra who dared to assume a position of equality with the first three castes was to

be flogged.

(Apastambha Dharma Sutra III, 10-26)

If a Shudra overheard a recitation of the Vedas, molten tin was to be poured into his

ears; if he repeated the Vedas his tongue should be cut and if he remembered Vedic

hymns, his body was to be torn into pieces.

MANU 167-272 says:

If a Shudra arrogantly teaches Brahmins Dharma, the king shall cause hot oil to be

poured into his mouth and ears.

Again MANU 167-272 says:

Let the king never slay even a Brahmin though he may have committed all possible

crimes.

With all references to Vedas and Puranas it would be appropriate to question: ``How

fair is the system of administrating justice?`` Well, according to these Holy Books if

a Brahmin commits a sin he is forgiven, but on the contrary if a low caste Hindu

commits a sin, he has to feed twenty Brahmins in order to expiate or erase his sin.

Would you call this a fair and just system of justice?!

Who was responsible for the assassination of Mahathma Gandhi -the father of the

Nation? Obviously you know the answer.

Mahathma Gandhi preached and practised intercommunal harmony, equality among

people, including the low caste Hindus whom he named as Harijans (which means

children of God). All human beings are the children of one God and, therefore, all are

equal.

SOME OF THE FEW RECENT ATROCITIES

Harijan women were forced to parade naked in the street. (CURRENT 6-4-83)

A scheduled caste man was severely beaten as his dress happened to touch the

body of a High Caste Hindu. (TIMES OF INDIA 18-11-84).

High caste Hindus threw dead animals and filth in a Harijan well. Police took no

action. (TIMES OF INDIA 18-11-84)

A Harijan who asserted his right to worship at a temple was allegedly assaulted and

excreta put in his mouth at Thathur village of Sorab Taluk (DECCAN HERALD 5-2-8

Harijan women were thrown out of rescue boat. (BLITZ 18-3-84)

The late Mrs. Indira Gandhi, Prime Minister, informed the Rajya Sabha on 18th

August 1970, that during the last three years I.I 17 Harijans - a Brahmin official

account - were killed in different parts of the country.

DR. AMBEDKAR ON CONVERSION

In his book ``Why Conversion``, Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar says that untouchability

is a permanent feature of the Hindu society. In order to attain freedom from the

evil practice, he urges the victims to establish close relations with other societies

to embrace another religion. He concludes that conversion is the only way to

achieve eternal bliss, for, by becoming a Muslim, Christian, Buddhist or Sikh,

a convert will get the political safeguards of the religion of his choice.

OUR CHALLENGE!

Is there a Christian, Sikh or Muslim who has willingly embraced Hinduism? Even

if a person should decide to become a Hindu, which caste will he choose? He

cannot - for sure - become a Brahmin for according to Veda, he has to die three

more deaths. But would any Brahmin object to his becoming a Shudra?

APARTHEID AND BRAHMINISM

In India the 5 % Brahmins rule over 95 % of the Indian population. In South Africa

15 % Whites rule over the 85 % Black race. Does India then have any right to point

an accusing finger at the apartheid policy of South Africa when the worst kinds of

discrimination are being practised in India?

We talk ``democracy`` and ``equality before the law`` but keep a third of

India`s 800 million people as Untouchables, unseeables and unapproachables!

THE MEDIA AND THE BRAHMINS

Who has the major share of magazines/newspapers published in India? The

Brahmins/RSS of course!

According to a recent survey their share of the media is approximately 81 %.

The following are the well known Newspapers that are owned by the Brahmins, not

to mention so many others which are financed less by the Brahmins to blow their

trumpets.

The Indian Express - 93 % employees are Brahmins

The Hindu - 97 % employees are Brahmins

The Times of India - 73 % employees are Brahmins

These Brahmins have invaded both All India Radio and Television. Most of the

time the Brahmins and their programmes are on air.

THE WEALTHY BRAHMINS

MANU VII, 133 says that:

``Brahmins should not be taxed and should be maintained by the State.``

ABOUT LOW CASTE Shudras - MANU XMRITI X, 129 says that:

That no collection of wealth was to be made by a Shudra, even though he may

be capable, for a Shudra who has acquired wealth would pain a Brahmin, and that

Brahmins may appropriate by force the property of the Shudra.

PANCHVANISH BRAHMIN 3-1/1 I says:

Even if a Shudra acquired wealth, he must always remain a slave. His main job

is to wash the feet of the higher caste.

TULSIDAS, A Brahmin in his Ramayana writes:

Even if a Shudra is learned and virtuous, he should not be given respect and honour.

When the British left India, almost all the industries owned by them were taken over

by the Brahmins. So much so that today they own about 60 % of the leading Industries

in the country.

Remember their (Brahmin) population is only 5 % of the total population of India.

JUST 5 % (BRAHMINS) CAPTURE OVER 60 % OF THE POSITIONS

1. Loksabha 48% are Brahmins

2. Rajyasabha 36 % are Brahmins

3. Governor/L.G. 50 % are Brahmins

4. Secretary to Governor/ L.G. 54 % are Brahmins

5. Union Cabinet Secretaries 53 % are Brahmins

6. Chief Secretaries to Minister 54 % are Brahmins

7. Private Secretaries to Minister 70 % are Brahmins

8. JS/ Additional Secretaries 62 % are Brahmins

9. Vice-Chancellors to Universities 51% are Brahmins

10. Supreme Court Judges 65 % are Brahmins

11. High Court Judges/ Addl. Judges 50 % are Brahmins

12. Ambassadors 41% are Brahmins

13. Chief Executive of Public undertaking:

(i) Central 57 % are Brahmins

(ii) State 82 % are Brahmins

(Courtesy: Voice of the Week, Oct. 1989)

In other fields also:

Banks 57% are Brahmins

Airlines 61 % are Brahmins

IAS Offices 72% are Brahmins

IPS Office 61 % are Brahmins

Radio & TV 83% are Brahmins

CBI, Customs & Central Excise 72% are Brahmins

This then is the employment situation in our country. The cream of the jobs goes

to the five percent Brahmins.

Do you get a fair salary for your hard work? Probably not! Because your

paymasters are Brahmins. Remember! Your children and grand children will

suffer the same fate, or worse, if you don`t free yourself from the control of the

Brahmin.

Since independence, India has been ruled only by Brahmins. All the Prime

Ministers (except V.P. Singh) have so far been Brahmins.

LITERACY THE PEOPLES` RIGHT

Here is the aphorism of the Brahma-Sutras:

``shravana, adhyana, arthapratishedhat smriteh ca`` (Brahma-Sutras 1.3.9.3

Meaning:

``The smrithi orders that shudras must be prohibited from hearing, studying and

understanding the Vedas.``

MANU 162-272 says:

If a Shudra arrogantly teaches Brahmins, Dharma, the king shall cause hot oil to

be poured into his mouth and ears.

India is the only country in the world where one race has made education their

exclusive monopoly. The average Indian literacy rate is 30 % but the Brahmins

are almost 100 % literate!

Out of the total Indian doctors in the U.S.A. 67% are Brahmins. Instead of serving

the poor masses of India, these doctors have opted to work in rich America and

other Western countries.

Brahmin representation in the fields of engineering and law is 53 % and 57 %

respectively. In the field of education their teachers and professors make up more

than 51 %.

They are motivated by the claim that they are the Master Race on this earth from

the day of Ashoka, They have educated themselves generation after generation

and today a Brahmin means an educated person.

THE BRAHMINS, YOU &

YOUR CHILDREN`S FUTURE

Oh you Hindu! Why don`t your children get equal opportunities in education and

become doctors, engineers, lawyers, collectors (IAS) and police officers (IPS)?

Is it because if your children learn and acquire education, they will get freedom

from Brahmin rule?

Why don`t you think, discuss, join hands with other brothers, unite and act against

the cruelties, atrocities and inhuman actions directed against you in the name of

your religion? Why don`t you start thinking positively for your own good?

It looks as though the low caste Hindus gain only illiteracy, ignorance, liabilities

and sickness under the present system. Can the low caste Hindu leave a decent

will for his children? With their standard of education can he/she obtain a good

job?

It is really unfortunate (and pitiful) that the non-Brahmins do not realise the

potentiality and the power which could be generated by them for their own

benefits.

It seems as though the Brahmins are fooling the people with the words of

SECULARISM & DEMOCRACY. Is India really secular? Has not democracy

been misused for the benefits of a minority, and not for the majority? The

ignorance and illiteracy of the people is being manipulated in an unfair fashion.

SECTION III

THE HINDU RELIGION EXPOSED

Brahmins always criticise, condemn and mock other Religions. Their criticism

and mocking is unreasonable and unacceptable.

In his autobiography, Dr. Charles, an American scholar says that it is very simple

to define a Hindu. He says a Hindu means ``one who believes anything and

everything if said in the name of God and shall never question its authenticity``.

The Brahmins claim that Lord Rama is incarnated (came in human form) to study and

understand the difficulties of mankind. Is it really necessary for a god to incarnate

Himself? Can He not understand His creation? Why should God become a donkey

or a cockroach in order to understand the sufferings of these creatures?

LORD RAMA

Lord Rama is the central character of the Epic RAMAYANA (whose author was

Valmiki). Rama is the son of Dasharath, the king of Banaras. Dasharath had three

wives, Kaushaliya, Kaikeyi and Smitra besides several hundred concubines.

According to the Ramayana, Rama spent most of his life trying to save his wife

Sita from the clutches of Ravan. At the same time Rama was enjoying life to the

full at every opportunity.

HOW RAMA WAS FOOLED BY SUKRIEVAN

When ``god`` Rama was exiled to the forest together with his wife, Sukrievan

appeared as a deer and fooled ``god`` Rama. Although Rama was a ``god``, he was

not able to see through Sukrievan`s disguise.

12 YEARS FOR RAMA, BUT ONE DAY TO RAVAN

To retrieve his wife from devil Ravan, `god` Rama sought the help of Hanuman,

a monkey `god`. Hanuman agreed to help Rama bring his wife back on condition

that `god` Rama in turn help him (Hanuman) to kill his twin brother prior to

undertaking the mission.

It took more than twelve years for Hanuman to build a bridge and accomplish the

task, while Ravan just took Sita and flew to Sri Lanka in just one day`s time.

Where is the bridge that Rama built? Who is more powerful- `God` Rama or devil

Ravan? Would a `god` seek the help of another `god` to murder a third god?

* If Hanuman could fly carrying big mountains, he should have in the first

instance carried and flown `god` Rama to Sri Lanka, which would have resulted

in early rescue of Sita.

* Who knows what Ravan might have done to Sita during this period of twelve

years? Definitely a devil would have done only ``devilish`` things!

Before helping `god` Rama, Hanuman made Rama shoot his own twin brother in

the back and only then did Hanuman help `god` Rama. How can a ``god`` indulge

in such a criminal act for personal gain?

MEAT-EATING RAMA

When `God` Rama was told to go to the forest, he mournfully revealed to his

mother: It has been ordained that I have to lose the kingdom, forego the princely

comforts and the tasty MEAT-DISHES. (Ayothia Kandam, 20, 26, 94th Chapters).

RAMA`S MANY WIVES

In Mr. C.R. Sreenivasalyengar`s translation of Valmiki Ramayana, it says:

`Though Rama had married Sita to be the queen, he married many other

wives for sexual pleasure in accordance with the royal customs. (Ayodhya

Kandam 8th Chapter, Page 2 .

(The term ``Rama`s wives`` has been used in many places in Ramayana).

RAMA`S DISRESPECT FOR HIS FATHER

Rama called his father ``a FOOL, an IDIOT`` (Ayodhya Kandam, 53 rd Chapter).

RAMA`S CONTEMPT FOR WOMEN & LOW CASTES

Rama disfigured and mutilated many women by cutting off their noses, breasts, ears,

etc. and tortured them (Soorpanagai, Ayomuki).

Rama said, ``Women should not be trusted`` and that ``Secret sshould not be confided

to the wife``. (Ayodhya Kandam, Chapter 100).

Sambuka was slain (by Rama) because he was making penance which was

forbidden to him by Vedas as he was a ``Shudra``. (Uttara Kandam, Chapter 76).

Looking at his hand Rama said the Sanskrit slogan ``Oh right hand, you kill this

Asche Shudra unhesitatingly as killing this Shudra is the only way to get back the

life of the deceased Brahmin boy.

Are you not one of the limbs of Rama?`` (Valmiki Ramayanam)

Note: This Rama, who mercilessly took away the life of Sambuka for no other

fault than that of making penance is held as the Avatar (incarnation) of Vishnu!

If there were kings like Rama alive now alas! What would be the plight of those

who are called ``Shudras?``

RAMA`S DEATH

Rama, like an ordinary man, fell down into the river and DROWNED (Uttara

Kandam, Chapter 106). How can a ``god`` die? Who will then look after the affairs

of the world?

LUSTFUL SITA VS THE ``IMPOTENT`` RAMA

Sita told Rama ``You are no better than a womanmonger who lets his wife for hire and

makes his livelihood. You want to be profited by my prostitution``. Sita also told

Rama ``You lack in POTENCE, manners and charm`` and she called her husband a

simpleton.

As soon as Sita stepped into Ravan`s palace, her love towards Ravan grew more.

(Aranya Kandam, Chapter 54).

When at length Rama asked Sita to swear about her chastity, she declined and

died. (Uttar Kandam, Chapter 97)

Kukuvavathy, sister-in-law of Rama, said to him - ``Oh Elder! How you love Sita

more than you love yourself! Come with me and see what really is in your lovely

wife`s heart. Still she could not forget that fellow Ravan. Drawing a picture of

Ravan on a hand-fan and pressing it closely to her bosom. She is lying on your

bed with eyes closed thinking on and rejoicing at Ravan`s glories. Rama sighed

and went out to Sita`s house. There she was found sleeping pressing to her breast

the hand-fan on which Ravan`s picture was drawn. (This is found in pages 199,

200 of the Bengali Ramayana written by Mrs. Chandravathi).

WHAT LEADERS SAY ABOUT GOD RAMA?

``My Rama (god Rama) is not the Rama of Ramayana``.

MAHATHMA GHANDI

``The Ramayana and Mahabaratha are nothing but another Arabian Nights story``.

JAWAHERLAL NEHRU

``Rama is not a god; but he is a hero ``.

C. RAJAGOPALACHARI,

First Governor General of India & Ex Chief Minister, Tamil Nadu).

``Ramayana is not a divine story; it is only a literature.`` (KALIYUGA KAMBAN,

T.K. CHIDAMBARANATHA MUDALIAR).

LORD KRISHNA

Lord Krishna was very fond of looking at naked young girls. Once upon a time

Krishna, in order to get a full view of some bathing virgin girls, went to the extent

of hiding their clothes on the tree tops just to get a panaromic view. Does behave

divine immunity from looking at a naked woman?

The Gita, a Holy Book of the Hindus, quotes that when these bathing low caste

girls begged for the return of their clothes. Lord Krishna demanded that they

come out of the water with their hands raised instead of covering their bodies.

Oh my innocent Hindu brethren! Can this action be attributed to a god? Is this god

capable of indulging in such ungodly acts?

THE RIDDLE OF RAMA AND KRISHNA

The Times of India reported on 12-11-87 that the Education Department,

Government of Maharashtra, had published a book called ``The Riddle of Rama

and Krishna`` by Dr. Ambedkar.

The report said that various statements contained in the book aroused the ire of

some Brahmins, particularly the author`s observations on Rama and Dasharath`s

many wives and also Krishna`s moral character. (The Riddle of Rama and

Krishna, available from Dalit Sahithya Academy, Bangalore).

GOD SHIVA, LORD GANESH & GODDESS PARVATHL

According to Hinduism, god Shiva`s head is the source of the river Ganges and his

head is also the place where the moon is located. (If this was really a fact then why

should America send astronaut Neil Armstrong 240,000 miles away to the moon).

According to Puranans, goddess Parvathi, wife of god Shiva, sought Shiva`s

permission to have a baby. When Shiva refused, Parvathi took dirt from her body

and created Lord Ganesh. (The late E.V.R. Periar used to call this god a ``bundle

of dirt``).

Later God Shiva mistakenly chopped off his own son`s head. How could a ``god

make such a foolish mistake? Would such a god solve your problems or make

them more complicated?

To rectify his error God Shiva severed the head of a baby elephant and transplanted

it onto his son who then became known as the Elephant-headed god. His statues

are usually found near river-sides where he is said to be looking for a bride

resembling his mother! (There is a different version to this story which, for

decency`s sake, cannot be printed here).

KALI-GODDESS OF VIOLENCE

A recent report by United Press trust of India (UPI) stated that during the past

three years more than 2,500 young boys and girls were sacrificed to goddess Kali

in India. Another of AFP`s recent reports say: hundreds of young boys and virgin

girls are sacrificed every month for the deity Kali. In one case Rama Sewak

hacked his eight year old son to death in broad daylight in Dehii because goddess

Kali had told him he would come back to life and bring him good fortune.

Bloodthirsty Kali is worshipped openly the length and breadth of India.

Kali`s statue stands naked astride the inanimate body of the Hindu deity Shiva,

tongue stuck out with blood dripping from fang-like teeth. She holds a noose, a

skull-topped staff, a blood-encrusted sword and a severed head. She is also

known as Durga, Devi, Shaktima, Uma and Parvathi in other manifestations.

The priest of Delhi, Kali Bari, says that a child sacrificed to Kali ensures a man

the birth of a son. Human sacrifices are also made to these gods or goddesses,

either to appease them or to ask favours of them.

Bihar`s police chief J. Sahay said: ``We have tried our best to curb human

sacrifices, but what can an agency do when an entire village chooses a victim and

cuts off his head with his parent`s consent.`` Bihar`s famous lawyer, Urnkant

Chaturvedi, said that ``Human sacrifice under our law is treated as murder, but the

killer- never found - is always the local high priest.`` He continues, ``at times the

local policemen are reluctant to take action because of the inbred fear of the gods

and goddesses.``

A famous human sacrifice occurred in 1972 when a powerful leader in Maharashtra

state- in order to find a treasure - offered blood from I I virgin girls to Manja. He did

not find the treasure, but four persons were hanged for the crime and the main culprit

escaped because of his political influence. Some time ago, two brothers named

Siddharth and Ravi asked their 21 year old sister Shobha to take a bath and come for

prayers to a nearby temple in Kerala State. To her horror, the brothers pierced her with

a sword and iron rods chanting mantras. Withering in pain, she begged for pity, but

she was cut to pieces and her body burned bit by bit. The brothers had done it to

unearth a hidden treasure. At first they tried to find another victim but when they

failed to find another virgin girl, they sacrificed their own sister.

Only Brahmin children are exempted by the Vedas from human sacrifice.

GODDESS PANCHALI

This goddess was married to five brothers. Which one would become the

legitimate father of his child should she have one? Dr Charles says that instances

of incest are common in Hindu scriptures.

SHANKARACHARYA OF PLJRI - ``HIS HOLINESS``!

SHANKARACHARYA OF PURI, NIRANJAN DEV TEERTH, BRAHMIN`S

Spiritual leaders, gave an interview to the Kalyan (Hindu) monthly magazine.

Extracts are given below:

Q: ``Maharaj! if a Shudra acts righteously, can he become a Brahmin?``

A: ``If the Shudra acts according to his code and keeps within the limit of

Varnashrama he may become a Brahmin in the next birth - but never in the

iresent.``

Q: ``Is the belief in the caste system essential?``

A: ``Yes, it is very essential. There can be no PROGRESS without belief in caste

system.

Q: ``Maharaj! The change of caste depends on deeds and virtues.``

A: ``No, it depends on birth and not on deeds. Caste depends on birth, deeds

cannot change it. This is an IRREFUTABLE TRUTH``.

At the inaugurating of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (RSS Branch) at Patna in April

1969, the Shankaracharya said:

``Untouchabitity is a part and parcel of Hindu social system, I shall cling to this

belief even if they HANG ME. ``

On Low Caste Hindus! Have a look and see what the MANU says (Chapter VIII

Sloka 4,14).

``Slavery is inborn among the Shudras and no one can free them from it``.

The Brahmin originated MANU again says in Chapter 19, Sloka 413:

``Sri Brahmin had intended from eternity that the Untouchables should be born

slaves, live as slaves, and die as slaves.``

On another occasion the Acharya said that there was no way out for a woman who

becomes a widow other than to commit Sati. He said he will oppose the Sati law

even if the Government of India HANGS him.

Instead of sending him to prison, according to the Indian constitution, this fanatic

priest is often visited and worshipped by the top Brahmin leaders in India.

ACHARYA RAJNEESH

This is none other than the internationally famous ``SEX SWAMIJI.`` He preaches

free sex involving orgies and he says that before life comes to an end one should

indulge in as much sexual activity as is humanly possible. This he claims is what

blissful heavenly life is. He is a true swami, in that, he not only preaches but is

also actively involved in practising what he preaches.

He also teaches the love for wealth and materialism. Little wonder that this ``god

man`` owns over ninety Rolls Royces and a ranch in America! Rajneesh and his

``Holy`` group are well known to carry all kinds of sexually transmitted diseases.

CHANDRA SWAMI

This controversial ``globe trotting`` godman has links with scandals like the

Bofors scandal. He spends much of his time attending to the individual problems

of Hollywood stars, multi-millionaires and other famous people. Should anything

happen to them he rushes to their aid in a chartered private jet. He never misses

an opportunity to pose for photographs with them so as to appear in international

magazines like Time and Newsweek. Why doesn`t he attend to some of Indian`s

problems as well?

Pamella Bordes, the Ex-beauty queen of India, well known prostitute, was used

by this Swamiji for some of his international frauds which have come to light

very recently.

SWAMI DIRENDRA BRAMACHARI

(THE GODLY RAMBOH)

Why does a ``HOLY MAN`` need a GUN FACTORY? This Swamiji has one! A

gun with a licence to protect himself is justifiable ....... but this Swamiji needs a

gun factory to protect himself? He also has had a helicopter pad constructed for

his convenience. (His followers include Nani Palkiwala and Manoj Kumar).

The author has very high appreciation for the following HOLY MEN in preference

to other HOLY MEN:

1. RAJNEESH - THE SEXY ``HOLY`` MAN.

2. MAHARISH - THE FLYING ``HOLY`` MAN.

3. CHANDRA SWAMI - THE HOLLYWOOD ``HOLY`` MAN.

4. SAI BABA - THE MAGIC ``HOLY`` MAN.

5. SWAMI DIRENDRA BRAMACHARI - THE ``GODLY`` RAMBO.

Don`t you see how these people fool and cheat the world!

THE HARE RAMA HARE KRISHNA MOVEMENT

This group is now attracting hundreds of drug addicts in the U.S. and THE WEST.

Like the Hindu Saints (Sanyasis) of Kashi (Varnasi) they smoke and take drugs in all

sorts of different forms.

A UNI press report (15-8-1987) said, under the heading of ``SECT CHIEF IS

CONVICTED KILLER``. - that the Hare Krishna`s chief is a convicted killer and drug

dealer. The swami, 38 year old Thomas Drescher, is imprisoned at the West Virginia

state penitentiary for gunning down Steven Bryant, 33, in Los Angeles. Drescher was

also convicted in 1979 for manufacturing and distributing drugs and was found guilty

in January 1983 of slaying a Krishna devotee. Finally the report concludes that since

1977, seven of the original I I gurus named by the HARE RAMA HARE KRISHNA

movements founder have been removed for reasons ranging from CHILD abuse,

DRUG dealing and SEXUAL promiscuity.

O Ramacandra, these scriptural injunctions were laid down by learned men, skilled

in inducing others to give, and finding other means of obtaining wealth, thus

subjugating the simple-minded. Their doctrine is `Sacrifice, give in charity, conse-

crate yourselves, undergo austerities, and become ascetics`. 0 Rama, be wise, there

exists no world but this, that is certain! Enjoy that which is present and cast behind

thee that which is unpleasant! Adopting the principle acceptable to all, do thou

receive the kingdom offered thee by Bharat (Ramayana, Ayodhya Kanda, 10 .

IMPORTANT QUESTIONS

1. What good has Hinduism done for India?

2. Does Hinduism have the answers for todays problems? Alcoholism -

Drugs- Divorce - Suicide etc.

3. Do these gods move, think or speak?

4. Can they defend themselves if attacked; or mend themselves if broken?

5. Don`1 you think it foolish to worship these manmade objects?

6. Does India belong to the Indians (95 %) or the Brahmins (5%)?

7. Did Hinduism originate in India itself or did it come with the Aryans via the

Khyber Pass?

8. Can a person convert and become a Brahmin?

9. What is the relationship between the Aryans of India (Brahmins) and the

Aryans of Germany (Hitler`s Nazis)?

10. Why do the Brahmins and Nazis have the same symbol - the Swastika? (Look

at the racist National Front symbols in South Africa).

11. Ask yourself who is your God? Is it Shiva, who has the moon and river Ganges

on his head and who could not identify his own son? Or is it Rama who couldn`t

see through Sukrievan`s disguise and who murdered another god? Or could it

be Krishna, the ``playboy god``?

THE BRAHMIN CONSPIRACY

The conspiracy and intrigue of domination over other human beings has been the

main objective of Brahminism all along. Brahminism, an Aryan concoction of

human and insatiable lust for hegemony, sex and money, sought to rule the

ignorant and deprived masses in the name of religion.

This is very visible from the content, tone and message of the holy books, written

and perpetuated in the name of religion by the Brahmins. How can these books

be called the word of God? They contain the most exotic form of pornography,

the most depraved norms of behaviour and the most unjust and ugly system of life

based on extortion, cruelty and blood thirst hunger for domination over others.

The Hindus are not Brahmins and the Brahmins are not Hindus. At least this is

evident from the books written and perpetrated by the Brahmins themselves.

The Hindus are the original inhabitants of Hindustan, the very people who were

the true architects of the Indus Valley civilization which was considered to be one

of the best examples of human societal development in the entire history of the

human race.

The barbaric Brahmins came from the wastelands of the region beyond the

Himalayas and destroyed the great monuments of culture and civilization and

pushed the real inhabitants of India into slavery.

Slavery is the message of the Brahmins ``holy`` books concocted by them. Just as

the Jews divided humanity into Jew and Non Jew, so has the Brahmin. The whole

world is classified in these books as Brahmin and Non Brahmin. The non Brahmin

is to remain internally a slave unto the ``master`` who has dominated Indian

history since he lay his hand on it.

We must break the chains, once and for ever. The bondage and the slavery must

go. But first let us find out what these books say. On concept of democracy, social

justice, secularism, politics, economics, leadership and elections are all based on

the wretched caste system, an evil curse that has been spun round the necks of the

innocent and deprived.

Let us tear the mask away from those evil faces, which stare at us from every nook

and corner of our lives.

The intelligent reader can easily uncover the ulterior motives of Brahmins as to

why they incite High Caste Hindu mobs to kill Low Caste Hindus or for creating

communal tensions with other minorities ever so often. This they do in order to

continue their stranglehold on state policies, so that they can manipulate them to

their advantage; they don`t care adamn for the nation of India... Read for yourself

what the Brahmin priest Purshottam Rao has to say......

PURSHOTTAM RAO

Temple priest HYDERABAD

Q: Should sadhus enter politics?

A: There was a time when Brahmins used to dictate state policy. Now we have

been totally sidelined. The VHP is trying to correct this historical wrong by

bringing religious leaders to the forefront of our national life. It is now time for

the entire Hindu religious leadership to once again lead the nation.

The Continuing War on Low Caste Hindus......

NEW DELHI, Sept. 19 (R) - Three Indian students set themselves ablaze today

to try to shock the government into scrapping plans to reserve more government

jobs for low castes in the Hindu hierarchy.

`This (job`s plan) is for the poor classes who have been denied their rights for

thousands of years. The students shouldn`t come in their way,`` Paswan told Reuters.

Protests led by upper-caste students began sweeping north India soon after Prime

Minister Vishwanath Pratap Singh said on August 7 that 27 percent of government

jobs would be set aside for low castes.

Paswan was himself born an ``untouchable`` or outcast in the system, which

traditionally decides occupation and status by birth. ``Untouchables`` prefer to

call themselves ``Dalits,`` the oppressed. Paswan told a conference of political

leaders and officials today that the jobs plan had to go ahead to raise the status

of low castes and create a more sympathetic bureaucracy.

He said the upper castes were still taking jobs set aside 40 years ago for Dalits.

Bureaucrats would employ an upper-caste graduate with irrelevant qualifications for

a typist`s job and turn down a Dalit trained to type at 60 words per minute, he said.

SECTION IV

PORNOGRAPHY IN RAMAYANA

Dr. Charles claims that Ramayana contains much pornographic material and

cannot be read in public. He gives the following examples:

Rama`s description of Sita`s beauty which is lewdly detailed (refer to C.R.

Srinivasalyengar`s translation of Aranya Kandam - chapter 46).

In Kiskind Kandam, Rama explains to Lakshmana of his sexual experience with

Sita.

According to Ramayana, the Aryans (Brahmins) used to drink liquor (nine

different kinds), eat meat, marry many wives and prostitution was an accepted

way of life amongst the priests and gods.

Ramayana also recounts the ``story of King Dasharatha who, in order to have a

baby son, made a big sacrifice (yaham) of sheep, cattle, horses, birds and snakes.

He then delivered his three wives Kaushaliya, Sumatirai and Kaikeyi to three

priests. These holy men, having fully satisfied their carnal desire, returned the

ladies to the King. By this means, the King was able to have three sons - Ram,

Lakshman and Bharat (Bala Kandam, Chapter 14. For more details on yaham,

refer to the book ``Gnana Surian``, published by Kudi Arasu Press).

The Ramayan tells us much about the unlawful relationship of incest but we do

not feel it appropriate or decent for us to go into details. (Please refer to Aranya

Kandam, chapter 45, verses 122, 123, 124 & 125).

The following Hindu practices will reveal how immorality and indecency are

sanctified in the name of Hinduism.

LINGAM & YONI

Lingam and Yoni are the male and female sexual organs respectively. Hindus are

allowed to worship anything - including sexual organs. It is not unknown for them

to name their children Shiva Lingam (God Shiva`s sexual organ) or Rama Lingam

(God Rama`s sexual organ). (In some places in Karnataka, the gods demand both male

and females to pray naked together.)

DEVADASI (RELGIOUS PROSTITUTION)

The Devadasi system was set up, according to a Times of India report (10-1 1 -87) as

a result of a conspiracy between the feudal class and the priests (Brahmins). The

latter, with their ideological and religious hold over the peasants and craftsmen,

devised a means that gave prostitution their religious sanction. Poor, low-caste girls,

initally sold at private auctions, were later dedicated to the temples. They were then

initiated into prostitution.

BHARAT NATYAM & THE BRAHMINS

The Bharat Natyam is a dance performance which, because of the Brahmin

media, has gained much recognition as a form of art. The celebrated Bharat Natya

expert, Rukmini Devi, admits in a National Geographic video programme, that

the Baratha Natya was really the art of Devadasis (temple prostitutes) to please

their audience and admirers. This is the reason why you might have seen various

Baratha Natya`s postures in Hindu temples.

Maybe like the art of KARATE to the Japanese, the BHARAT NATYAM is a

national art of the Brahmins and very much part of their culture.

THE KAMASUTRA

Brahminism has also created Kamasutra -a set of instructions on how to have

sexual intercourse. Some of the postures detailed in Kamasutra are so complex

that they can only be performed with the help of one or more ASSISTANTS!

THE DEVADASI SYSTEM THRIVES

UNI. - TIMES OF INDIA - 10th Nov. 1987: confirms that the practice of dedicating

young Harijan girls (Mahars, Mangs, Dowris and Chambhar) at childhood to a

goddess, and their initiation into prostitution when they attain puberty continues to

thrive in Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh and other parts of South India. This is largely

due to social backwardness, poverty and illiteracy, according to a study by two

doctors of the India Health Organisation.

The report clearly indicates that the Devadasi system was the result of a conspiracy

between the feudal class and the priests (Brahmins), who with their ideological and

religious hold over the peasants and craftsmen, devised a practice which acquired

religious sanction. They noted in their study on - ``Devadasis - the link between

religious culture and child prostitution``.

The study revealed that girls from poor families were sold after puberty at private

auctions to a master who initially paid a sum of money to the families ranging from

Rs. 500 to 5000.

The study, made during health camps organised by the World Health Organisation

(WHO) in the devadasi populated areas, revealed that the dedicated girls formed 15

percent of the total women involved in prostitution in the country, and as much as 70

percent to 80 percent of the prostitutes in the border districts of Karnataka and

Maharashtra.

THE NAKED HINDU YOGIS OF KASHI

Many of the Yogis of Kashi (Banaras) live naked and beg for their living. They live

in dirty, unhygienic conditions, and drug addiction is rife among them.

Our so-called leaders and intellectuals have all contributed to the superstitious beliefs

and they have helped these saints to thrive and practise deceptive methods to cheat

the public. It is an utter shame that among the worshippers of such naked godmen,

there are a number of high court judges, advocates, engineers, doctors, professors,

politicians, cinema actors and actresses.

For more details on these Hindu saints and Yogis, watch the documentary video -

``SHOCKING ASIA`` - which is available from the following addresses:

Atlas International Film GMBH, Munich, W. Germany.

Replay Video, London, G. Britain.

Distribution First Film Organisation, Hong Kong.

STARK NAKED BATHS!

AGENCIES News Agency reports on 23-9-87 that at Kurushetra (India) about 1,000

NAKED Hindu ``Sadhus`` (saints) plunged themselves into the river during a solar

eclipse, claiming this to be a ``holy dip``. Over one million pilgrims, naked and semi-

naked, both male and female, also followed them into the river. The largest of the

pools is Brahmasarovar, and is said to accommodate 100,000 bathers at a time. There

was still no room for everyone in the water at one time and there was much pushing

and shoving. The huge crowds waiting on the banks barely had space to turn around.

People crowded the shore waiting for their chance. This is the position of ``holy dip``

everywhere in India. A Haryana Government spokesman said that they posted 20,000

policemen to avoid misuse of this mixing opportunity for perverted reasons.

In addition to this spectacle, the pilgrims also look directly at the sun with the naked

eye. Scientists and doctors strongly advise against this as it is likely to cause

blindness.

THE MIRACLE MAN

DPA News (6-1 1 -86) reports that Police have arrested a ``miracle man`` in the Western

India city of Prune for raping a number of women, on the pretext of solving their

troubles, by making them sit naked before an idol which was supposed to render

``divine advice``. He would hold a blank sheet of paper over a fire on which written

words would appear. He would then convince the women to have sex with him on the

strength of the ``miracle``. Police discovered that his ``divine advance`` was nothing

but a simple chemical trick by which words written on paper with invisible ink

became legible when held over a flame.

HOW RISHIS WERE CREATED?

According to the Hindu Holy books, God Brahma arranged the marriage of god Shiva

to goddess Parvathi. When they went around the fire as per Hindu religious ritual, god

Shiva looked at the thighs of goddess Parvathi and ejaculated his semen into the Fire

and they became Rishis (priests). According to the Hindu Puranas this ``god`` can do

such a filthy act!

SEX WITH COWS

In many Hindu temples there are sculptures depicting men having sex not only

with women but also cows. What is the meaning of this? Is not the cow sacred?

If it is, then it should be worshipped not sexually assaulted!

RAMAYANA IS THE CULTURE OF ARYANS

(BRAHMINS)!

Dr. Charles claims that the Ramayana is nothing but the culture and way of life

of the Aryans (Brahmins) which is still having a great impact on present day

India. According to Ramayana, the Aryans (Brahmins) used to drink liquor, used

to eat meat, used to have many wives, and prostitution was a way of life to the

Rishis (Priests) and even the gods.

The concept of ``re-incarnation`` or avtar is the bed-rock of the Hindu belief.

Rama, Vishu, Hanuman etc ... are all believed to be avtars. But according to

Hindu scholar Kshiti Mohan Sen, there is nothing in the Vedas to support this

belief! Rather, it is an Aryan / Chinese concept that may have crept into the Hindu

thoughts. This shakes the whole foundation of Hinduism!

``Hindus accept many incarnations of God. While some Hindus take the doctrine

literally and accept figures like Rama, Krishna, and Buddha as actual incarnation,

others prefer to treat it as a useful myth.

1. The origin of the concept of avatara is obscure. It cannot be found in the Vedas,

but it is possible that it came from the Aryan settlers in Iran. The idea of

discontinuous incarnations can be found in the Bahram Yasht, which forms part

of the Zoroastrian corpus, where incarnations of the deity Verethragna can be

seen. According to another theory, the concept originated in central Asia, as the

Bahram Yasht shows traces of Chinese influence and mythology. In none of these

beliefs, however, does the concept play as important a part as it does in post-

Vedic Hindu thought, particularly that of the epics, Ranayana and Mahabharata.

HOW HOLY IS THE COW?

The origin of the holiness of the cow in popular Hinduism is not quite certain. The

Aryans loved to eat beef, though they seem to have admired the cow as a very

useful animal. The importance of the cow in India`s rural life may have something

to do with the question.``

Hindu scholar Kshiti Mohan Sen

SECTION V

THE ``HOLY`` BOOKS (THE VEDAS) AND

HINDUISM THE TALES OF RAMAYANA

Should you read the Ramayan you will come to the conclusion that it cannot be

a God revealed book. On the other hand you will find materials of-pornography,

incest, lies, cheating etc.

The average Hindu is kept in the dark and in reality, he is ignorant on matters

pertaining to Hindu beliefs. If he really reads the Ramayana, we challenge, he will

be ashamed of his religion and himself for being a Hindu.

``THE GITA AS IT WAS``

``THE GITA AS IT WAS`` is a shocking book which reveals the Brahmin

fabrication and forgery of the Gita. Mr Phulgenda Sinha, a Sanskrit scholar from

Bihar, now settled in the U.S., has come out with the original Gita which, he says,

the Brahmin have interpolated to obscure its original message. The author also

gives the original text in Sanskrit and English to prove his claim. The book is

available from: Open Court, La Salle, Illinois -61301, U.S.A. Price US$ 15.95.

UNSCIENTIFIC CLAIMS

Brahmins always have a tendency to claim everything in the name of SCIENCE.

But the Scientists, Doctors and Specialists claim otherwise. First of all any man

with common sense won`t agree to the claims originated by these BRAHMINS.

Here are a few examples of Brahmin-originated unscientific claims:

(A) THE EARTH IS FLAT

NARASINGA PURANA - Page 169 - Abithana Sinthamani - says that the earth is

flat. Today it has been proved beyond doubt by the scientists that the earth is round.

(B) DISTANCE BETWEEN EARTH, SUN & MOON

VISHNU PURANA says that sun is 800,000 miles and moon is 2,200,000 miles away

from the earth respectively. Astronomy has now proved that the moon is nearer to the

earth, i.e. 240,000 miles and that the sun is 93,000,000 miles away from the earth.

(C) THE AREA OF THE EARTH

MARKANDEYA PURANA says that the earth has an area of 4,000,000,000

square miles. According to astronomy, it is only 190,700,000 square miles.

(D) VIBOOTHI (COW DUNG ASH)

The Vedas say that the cow is holy and should be worshipped. These Brahmins

also claim that cow dung ash has medicinal value. Samples sent to a leading test

laboratory in West Germany have proved this to be untrue. Even today ignorant

Hindus smear their homes with cow dung.

In India people are dying of hunger. Why are these low caste Hindus prohibited

from eating beef? In India cow meat is cheaper than other available meats. Instead

of these Brahmins taking care of the low caste peoples of India they are doing

their best to save their ``holy`` cows. According to Valmith`s Ramayana, God

Rama ``ATE`` meat. Why then have these Brahmins given up beef-eating?

(E) URINE DRINKING

One erstwhile Prime Minister, Morarji Desai (Brahmin), boasted that he was drinking

eight ounces of his own urine daily (pure and fresh!) in the morning in accordance

with the Vedas claim that urine has medicinal value. With the same claim today the

Brahmins/RSS are drinking cow`s urine as if it is a DAILY TONIC.

No scientists have ever claimed that urine has any medicinal value. On the contrary

it is well known fact that urine is an unwanted organic substance that the human body

needs to discharge.

(F) SUN WORSHIP

The Vedas and Puranas say that all Hindus must pray to the sun god SURYA, and that

if you look at the sun daily every morning with your naked eyes, your sight will

improve. Accordingly many Hindus practise this act of worship; but instead of their

eyesight improving, India is the country that has the most blind people in the world

(2.5 million blind people and 9 million with corneal blindness).

There is no scientific truth in sun worship, and on the contrary the scientist and

doctors advise everyone not to look at the sun directly with the naked eye. Who

is telling us the truth, the Scientists or the Hindu scriptures? You be the judge!

The credit of India`s blindness also goes to Hinduism.

(G) THE RIVER GANGES

Hindus are dumping half-cremated bodies, and the ashes of these corpses, into

River Ganges for their salvation as ordered by the Hindu scriptures. In other

words the Holy Ganges water is a human soup! This has made the Ganges water

polluted and a breeding ground for numerous diseases.

Still these Brahmins claim the River Ganges a sacred river - saying that nothing

can contaminate it. Why then is the Government of India spending millions of

rupees to clean up the dirty waters of River Ganges?

(H) THE THREAT OF THE ECOLOGY

AP News (India) dated 10-1 1-86 says:

When a Hindu is cremated in India, one or more medium-sized trees are also

chopped down to accompany him on the funeral pyre. Ecologists warn that forest

loss seriously threatens the environment and that we have already lost 32 % of the

Indian forest. Daily in India, Hindus are dying and taking with them trees. A

staggering 6.43 million kilograms of timber goes up in flames each day. The

annual loss is 2.35 million tons. How much pollution does a body create when it

is burnt with wood? (Not only that, imagine the foul smell it causes in the

atmosphere.)

``The most absurd stories of their gods are readily believed... This hurrying from

one means of salvation to another can be accounted for partly by the fear that

though an act of merit may have satisfied the claims of one deity, others who have

not been pacified may wreck their vengeance upon them.

Interested and unscrupulous priests make capital out of the gross ignorance and

credulity of the people.... Shrine after shrine is visited and word after word is

done; and yet the fear remains that some deity has been neglected who at any

moment may demand his rights, or punish for neglect..... There are so many

deities, and are so different in character, that almost any habit can be different in,

almost any vice committed, under the impression that it is pleasing to one or

another.`` (W.J. Wilkins Modern Hinduism)

SECTION VI

WOMEN IN HINDUISM

Inequity and degradation of women are sanctified in the Hindu religion. Manu

Smriti says:

Never trust a woman.

Never sit alone with a woman even if it

may be your mother, she may tempt you.

Do not sit alone with your daughter, she

may tempt you.

Do not sit alone with your sister, she may

tempt you.

Again the same Manu Smriti continues:

``Na stree swadantriya marhathi``.

``No liberty for women in society``.

HINDU WOMEN VS MUSLIM WOMEN

The Brahmin media made a big campaign recently out of the Shah Banu case and they

blew it out of all proportion. They implied that Islam restricted the freedom of women.

Let us compare the positions of the Hindu woman and the Muslim woman. See the

following facts for comparison and then try to bring these Brahmins to their senses.

HINDU WOMAN

1. The Hindu woman has no right to divorce her husband.

2. She has no property or inheritance rights.

3. Choice of partner is limited because she can only marry within her own caste;

moreover her horoscope must match that of the intending bridegroom/family.

4. The family of the girl has to offer an enormous dowry to the bridegroom/family.

5. If her husband dies she should commit Sati (being cremated with her dead

husband). Since today`s law forbids Sati, society mainly punishes her in other ``holy``

ways (see below).

6. She cannot remarry.

7. The widow is considered to be a curse and.must not be seen in public. She

cannot wear jewellery or colourful clothes. (She should not even take part in her

children`s marriage!)

8. Child and infant marriage is encouraged.

THE MUSLIM WOMAN

1. The Muslim woman has the same right as the Muslim man in all matters,

including divorce.

2. She enjoys property and inheritance rights. (Which other religion grants

women these rights?). She can also conduct her own separate business.

3. She can marry any Muslim of her choice. If her parents choose a partner for her,

her consent has to be taken.

4. The dowry in Islam is a gift from a husband to his wife (not the other way round

as is practised by some ignorant Muslims).

5. A Muslim widow is encouraged to remarry, and her remarriage is the

responsibility of the Muslim society.

6. Mixed marriage is encouraged and is a means to prevent racism creeping into

society.

7. A Muslim mother is given the highest form of respect.

The living revolutionary Mr. Rajashekar questions what right have the Hindus to

criticise the Muslims? Have you ever heard of a Muslim burning his wife? Every

day we read in the paper about dowry deaths, Hindu women being burnt by the

husband or in-laws. It is a fact that upper caste Hindus ill-treat their women. The

Brahmin press has brainwashed all of us saying that Muslims do not give freedom

to their women. He again questions, ``Do the Hindus respect their women?`` You

be the judge!

`SATI`` - HINDU WIDOW BURNING!

If the Hindu man`s wife dies, he is free to go and find another beautiful woman

when he wants. But if the Hindu woman`s husband dies, not only is she prohibited

to remarry but she should be cre

Latif,

I do see your point on YLH`s tendency to egregriously stereotype. I can understand why you might be disgusted with the bigotry of which it seems to reek. Maybe my own tolerance of it is inexcusible. Or maybe I have read enough of him to know that in his heart, and yes, even with with aberrative opinions like `the only good indian is ...``, he doesn`t hate Indians for being Indian. I hope I`m not wrong.

rgds,

PM

okay, so how many bottles of beer still standing?

ylh# 1086:

[I agree with how you have put it. Since you have relatively maintained neutrality, please also comment on who started the name calling and when on this site?]

Jeez, now I need to play referee/arbiter!! Ok.. what the heck.. it`s a dirty job but...

I have no idea who started the name calling on this site. I`ve been visiting for just over two years only, by which time pak-Indian pissing atches were already an established tradition here (of course Urstruly upped the ante a few months ago).

on this board, it appears that you were not the first to deride india/ns, but then, do you expect anyone to just forget some choice words you had for them on other boards when reading even your `balanced` posts..

And btw, I hope you are taking note of Latif`s peeve with your tendency to start off posts with lines like `... those Indian fools`. That can have a terribly bigoted ring to it, even if you are referring only to the indians on this site (which in any case you have no reason to generalize, much less categorize, this way).

rgds,

PM

re. Upman#### #1091

[PM # 1087-

``Perhaps he reacts so intensely to it beacuse he feels/knows that these myths (Pakistan as throcratic state) have taken firm root in Pakistan itself (in fact become realities)...``

..maybe he should just 1091learn to accept realities then..]

ahhh.. but then some people are not content with accpetingreality when they can change it. Or believe they can anyway...

btw, the ego -vs -conviction thing.. does it have to be either-or?

rgds,

PM

this is very funny

Latif Chappu #1096

70 bottles of beer on the wall

69 bottles of beer on the wall

68 bottles of beer on the wall

67 bottles of beer on the wall

66 bottles of beer on the wall

65 bottles of beer on the wall

64 bottles of beer on the wall

63 bottles of beer on the wall

62 bottles of beer on the wall

61 bottles of beer on the wall

....whoops, I made the same mistake Aamir made and thought it was length that mattered not frequency (in setting post records, as well as some other things in life that cannot be repeated in a family forum like chowk)(this explanation for any newcomers). Back to 70 bottles.

Latif Chappu #1096 ``You take Aishwarya Rai``

This is too good to be quoted in only one post.

71 bottles of beer on the wall

Latif Chappu #1096 ``You take Aishwarya Rai we take Shoaib Akhtar.``

Now we are talking! My favorite actress. Really, really cute. You can take not just SA but will also get your five favorite Paki politicians, four favorite Paki cricket players, three favorite Paki singers, two favorite Paki military generals, and one ylh as a bonus in return!!!

(no offense ylh, just kidding).

And great work you are doing on keeping this board going so it goes over the top.

72 bottles of beer on the wall...

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All time greats to get this list going again:-

1) Pakistan inspects Sikkim and Manipur State Constituency.

2) Pakistan accepts mangroves of Sir Creek in exchange for Kashmir and Beijing.

3) Junoon is actually an Indian group.

4) Pakistan cricket team to play for Ranji Trophy.

5) Ex-students Association of KGS applies to Delhi Gymkhana for reciprocal membership.

6) Vegetarianism is a better religion.

and finally:-

7) All Pakistanis wear underwear made in India but stamped ``Made by USA``. (Ulhasnagar Sindhi Association)

OK, Latif Chappu?

Why is beer on the wall, is it a Floyd thing?

Saturday morning, lovely weather and a bird is going kookookookoooeeekookookoo driving me nuts outside the window.

Go for 2000, you ambition free brewery.

Re: Tahmed

Another trade proposal.

You take Aishwarya Rai we take Shoaib Akhtar.

You know... as a confidence building measure.

73 bottles of beer on the wall.