Coming Home to a Foreign Land

Reply #: 576

Neptune

Neptune =gowardhan=jay=devkant=anil=birju bhai=Seeraaj=Satya=upman=Pravin=Intuce99=Arpit=Akash =????????????

Rsridhar

Thios one is just for the fun of it - Please do not get angry - it`s just...

Drom ``DAWN``

``Indian policemen hoist Pak flag on their camp

By a correspondent

HELD SRINAGAR: Three Indian police trainees hoisted the Pakistani flag at their camp on the eve of Aug 15, the Indian independence day, got dismissed from service and have now been arrested. In a unique incident of its kind, the trainees are said to have hoisted the Pak flag at the main entrance of a force camp in Reasi in Jammu province.

Belated reports reveal that the three appeared at the scene and in a dramatic move left only after hoisting the Pakistani flag at the main gate of the camp, housing hundreds of central industrial security force (CISF) men. Two CISF men have been put under suspension for negligence in performing their duties. They have been charged with failure in checking the flag hoisting as they were posted at the main entrance.

Some local shopkeepers are said to have given the information to the police about involvement of three policemen in the flag hoisting. After verifying the matter the police took into custody the three and dismissed them from the services. One of the arrestees have been identified as Faizuddin, a resident of Baramulla in Kashmir.

It is worth mentioning that Pakistan flags were hoisted at a number of places throughout the Kashmir valley on the eve of Pakistan day on Aug 14. Reports reveal that such flag hoisting was also reported from two places in the city area of Jammu. Though security had been beefed up in the state weeks before the independence days of Pakistan and India, the hoisting of Pak flags could not be prevented.``

Stuka

No, I`m not being sarcastic - You were born there, your family is from there - You should come back - in a way it will also a like ultimate test of your convictions - But I realize you have already chosen the course you want to take. No offense intended.

Rsridhar

What can I say - it seems this really got your goat, so to speak - but please don`t sweat it. Insurgency, terrorism, Jehad - call it anything but freedom struggle - it doesn`t change the fact.

Anyway - this ``thing`` will be resolved shortly and many people will miss not having Pakistan to blame for their own mistakes. Consider what you think is the problem there (Pakistan) - If it is so easy for Pakistan to create a civil war in India, what does it say about the true feelings of kashmiris? Remember, we are taliking about Pakistan, where organizing an election or a simple ceremony is a big task. requiring the input of many learned and experienced people - think! and you are blaming Pakistan for organizing a ``insurgency``? Think!

Re:Reply #: 570

Stuka,

You do not have to be apologetic about anything, least of all what is happening in Kashmir. We are fighting terrorists who do not value human lives. We are also defending a concept, which is that all irrespective of religion can live in this land. India is a multireligious country. Kerala has 20% Christians; Goa has more than 50% christians; Meghalaya has 100% Roman Catholics. All religions have found home in India for centuries now. Parsees came to India many millenia ago and are thriving here. Jehadis kill hindus with impunity. Their purpose is 2 fold: 1. They want to change the majority status of hindus in areas like Jammu. 2. They want to see a backlash from the hindu community from rest of India. Have you ever seen or heard any hindu including the RSS/VHP calling for revenge against muslims? All of us have seen through this game.

Kashmir belongs to Kashmiris but let them and not the jehadis decide what they want. Our politicians, mainly That BITXX Indira Gandhi screwed up big time. Kashmiris did not get the political freedom to elect the representatives of their choice which was their right. Such a choice is given to everyone else, including Tamilians in Tamil Nadu who have in the last 25 years been routinely voting out any national party that stands in state elections. Had Kashmiris been given this right we would not have an insurgency. You are right in asking where was the insurgency prior to the 80s. Kashmiris were part of the diaspora until then and are a part even now. What is unmade can be made. As the Americans are fond of asking: Can we put this SHIX back into the horse? My answer is a resounding YES, WE CAN.

Arguing with the likes of Hobbyty is like, as the hindi expression goes, ``Bhais ke samne been bajana``. These people have set ideas. They pose as intellectuals but are really no different from the rest.

Sridhar

Stuka #574

Well doesn`t he! Check out Bapu, AAmir, AeishA, Bijli, Shah and Studebaker.

Stuka my friend

Sada means forever... Sada kay ulooo means ... uloo forever.

-YLH

Hey Neptune

Does Bapu write under other pseudonyms too? Is that why you call him 6 faced? D`u know what other names he uses perchance?

6-face half-wit #567

So you are here too is it? Providing English lessons to boot. What next... black pudding recipes?

And what is this obsession with pork? Tch Tch..

Re:Reply #: 554

hobbyty,

We are facing an insurgency in Kashmir. What else you expect? If flag hoisting occurs during normal times, it may mean something. Flag hoisting can be done for a number of reasons including the fact that they are frustrated with the state of affairs. After all i posted an article in the chowk in which a Pakistani in Pakistan hoisted an Indian flag. Considering there is nothing like an insurgency going on at present in Paksitan, this is far more significant. Khalistanis during Punjab uprising were shouting Khalistani slogans and raising their own flag. Tamilians in the 60s shouted seperatist slogans. So what is your point? As with all other seperatist movements, this too will die out. The Nagas have fought for more than 50 years and they have realized their folly. They raise voices now and then. Mizoram has elected representatives. India is a vast nation with humungous problems. Its chief strength comes from its people. People of India are not convinced that jehad is the way out for Kashmiris. They think Kashmir, once jehad is crushed, will revert to normalcy as Punjab, Tamil Nadu etc did. Pakistan does not allow normalcy to return just for this very reason. Remember how violence escalated after Mushy boy returned, how innocent people were killed in Doda. We are determined to fight till the end. The question is : does Pakistan have the will and capacity to go on encouraging jehad when it knows fully well it will boomerang one day?

Sridhar

Re:Reply #: 553

hobbyty,

Opinion polls in Kashmir valley has shown that majority want independence. The only people shouting ``we are Pakistanis`` are the jehadis. Considering that average life span of a militant jehadi in the valley is 2 to 3 years, he should be allowed to shout whatever he wants to shout.

Sridhar

HobbyTy:

Remember, the only ethnic cleansing that has taken place in Kashmir is that of the Kashmiri Hindus. For all that happens in Kashmir, do you really think that India could not have changed the demographic balance there if it really wanted to? You do realize that one commodity we are not short of is people. If you take away Article 370, conduct a real state sponsored military crackdown, give free land and arms to people from UP and Bihar, you change the essense of Kashmir. The world may put sanctions against us, and give moral lectures, but that`s about it.

However, this has not happened. The reason this has not happened is not Pakistan, Pakistan Army, Pakistani politicians, but because of India, Indian Politicians and most importantly, the Indian people. This course of action is not agreeable to the Indian body politic.

Yes, I hear the voices of Kashmiri muslims, and yes I know the majority of them want independance/Pakistan. I know that. I also know that there are Kashmiri muslims (a minority in percentage, but significant in numbers) who join Jammu Kashmir Light Infantry. You can see names and units in the Kargil memorial of Bharat Rakshak.com. Look for J/K LI and also the 22nd Grenadiers, both of which recruit in Jammu Kashmir.

Yes, the muslims in Kashmir are getting screwed. But in all fairness, what about muslims of Jammu, who are minority and know they will get screwed if there is a deal on the valley? What about Kashmiri Pandits who left the valley? Regardless of solution, someone gets screwed right, majority or minority?

Why can`t the Kashmiri muslims who want to leave India leave their homes and go? After all, there is nothing unique about becoming a refugee. There are refugees in India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and every damn country in the world. What is special about the Kashmiri muslims? I honestly don`t feel their pain.

Regarding my coming back to Pakistan, I don`t get it. Are you being sarcastic? I don`t understand?

YLH: I know you were not cursing me out. It`s all good. Tell me what is sad key ullu. I mean ullu I understand, what is ``sada ke`` is that sindhi?

Bapu# 537

What about the cloven feet of a Bapu? Does that remind you of Pork? Bal Tackeray, Mulla Omar. all porkers...feeding off of garbage

I donot understand, people are roaming around wielding guns and killing other people in J&K in the name of Pakistan, how is raising a Pakistani flag more significant?

Bapu # 537:

Do not talk to me about the use of verbs and English when your own posts are sub-literate Paki Pidgeon patois.

Another usage of pork is :

Bapu = pig

I will give you some more if you like.

hobbyty #543:

I actually agree with most of what the author has written.

However, what is news to me is that Pakistan rejected the UN resolutions. Can anyone shed more light on this?

``But Pakistan, after extensive discussions with the United Nations Commission for India and Pakistan (UNCIP), accepted the resolution with “so many reservations, qualifications and assumptions”. Since conditions were attached and conditional acceptance was not possible, Pakistan’s acceptance was tantamount to rejection. Thus, the most referred to UN resolution of 1948, which spoke of “will of the people”, stood accepted by India and rejected by Pakistan.``

Finally, if you consider the popular welcome that New Delhi and India gave to Perveze Musharraf, considering his role as architect of Kargil two years ago, do you think Vajpayee or any other Indian leader would get a similar welcome in Pakistan? I think that is a key difference between our two societies.

Reply Siraj, Bapu #561

An alternate (and v dialectical) usage: to pork, which is a verb.

Let me give you an example.

``The Taliban have really porked Afghanistan with their midieaval approach to economics and society.``

Best wishes,

Zafar