A Conversation with Om Puri in New York City

Zafar #29
The same to you :)

saminashah #33
Neptune #31 is right.
btw, whatever consensus is reached (Rushdie, etc), happy writing!

FARANGI_KUSH #27
mohajir was never my nick and its easy to prove, too, but why should I bother?

You are right, we must judge the level of posters by the contents of the posts like ranting on gobar or slaves or something else. Some posters are made for each other in this respect, thats why the B-C Samanthwadi HEBaBaBSN Sanghathan(like minded).

And yes, we should not assume that you are really a teetotaller, or non-``Baba Blacksheep`` as you imply by heaping accusations on other people.

Kush Sahib,

You had written that it doesnt matter how many cybernames an individual uses, but their message.

I disagree. My own experience involves an individual who uses TWELVE names to post messages at members. This individual, after realizing noone wanted to interact with him or respond to his messages (which were offensive in too many ways to detail), began to acquire new names and new genders hoping to trick members into conversing with him. This is unethical behavior.

Not only did this member wilfully misrepresent himself, but has taken to sending bullying posts that include his cursing, to people who have refused to interact with him. Is there anything reasonable or admirable about this?

I have noticed that most of Chowk members use one name and some of us use shortened versions of our names. The reason for this is that we are willing to be accountable for our opinions, we respect the rules of dialogue, and we have nothing to hide. The posts of people who have maintained one constant nickname tend to reflect a spirit of communication and that is based on self and mutual respect. Unfortunately there seems to be certain individuals who cannot endure the freedom of expression that contradicts or disagrees with their own value system.These members tend to be the ones who need elaborate subterfuge, and maintain the ridiculous notion that they can tell people whether they are Muslim, Indian, Pakistani or not.

Give Musharaff the credit when it is due ,otherwise dont cry over smilt milk ,like you cry over the mujahdeens fury ,too late now!!

Pakistan invites Indian missing POWs relatives

ISLAMABAD, September 07 (PNS): President General Pervez Musharraf has

invited relatives of 54 missing Indian Prisoners of War (POW), to visit

Pakistan and see for themselves that no India soldier of the 1971 Pak-India

war languished in its prisons.

http://www.paknews.org/main.php?id=3&date1=2001-09-07

Zafar / Sadna

There is a class of people who are unable to form ideas based on real life. They are very secure in their unalterable beliefs and have perfected the art of twisting perception to cope with the real world.

So, whenever any thought or idea challenges their carefully nurtured world view, all hell breaks loose. Like a house of cards, the slightest threat to any corner brings the entire edifice down. The obvious response therefore is to feverishly hold on to the worldview come what may. If the offending thought or argument is too strong to resist, it becomes a fight of simple survival. Logic is too sophisticated a tool for this. It is basic - claws, teeth, horns, chemical secretions and the like.

So maybe, you might rethink on arguing out points with somebody who is shaking uncontrollably, foaming at the mouth and dribbling onto the keyboard.

Wow! Another graduate from the Hydra-Headed Academy of Social Graces.

Reply Sadna #26

This is a thoughtful and generous idea. Btw, your posts on sulekha are (a) 100% recognisable and (b) extremely appreciated.

Zafar

Reply Farangi_Kush # immaterial

``I did not know Zafar al-Talib is a muslim...I think he deludes himself to thimk that he has muslims as relatives--no matter how much he wants to cozy up with them.``

er....actually....I was hoping to cozy up to yoooooooo Mr Khush...

Do Ankhain,Baara haath!

Now is this the stuff muslims are weaned on?Who is dancing with all the vigour to wreak havoc on earth.Is it Shiv or someone else?

The poor guy was save from total disgrace and retained the muthhi-bhurr(you know what) by the quick-thinking parbati.

I did not know Zafar al-Talib is a muslim.Is it possible?Just the other day he was commenting on the abhorrent practise of assigining religion to names....some concern about the individuality of a human(typical Indo-secular/socialist mumbo-jumbo).Are you the BJM `muslim` who was named Sikander but turned out to be Bunder Bakht?I think he deludes himself to thimk that he has muslims as relatives--no matter how much he wants to cozy up with them.

And the resident Chhachhoondar?So she gave up the Mohajir nick.No wonder the criminal mind cannot think anything but.And heaps accusations on those who are least bothered by her.On chowk?where EVERYONE who wants to is anonymous who cares under what name it is written--just pay attention to WHAT is written.Do I care if sadna is a real name or not or if someone writes under 12 names or if I am identified with anyone else.

Does anyone care?Except the Two eyes and and twelve hands who are known for their sliminess & slinkiness.

Crouching GEEDHURS and hidden Chachhoondars;that is what fits them better.

wassalaam.

Zafar #25
Well if its not flu, then this is a momentous meeting of minds. Can there really be TWO distinguished people who BS about gobar :). The `dispossessed patent-pending` attitude is very familiar too.

I feel sorry for them so let me make amends:
Brihanchowk SAMANTHWAADI Hindu-Evam-BaBa-Blacksheep Nivaaran Sanghatan-(Like Minded group).

Now all we need is to translate this into an appropriate language and they`ll be all set. Mr 12-face can be on the advisory board.

Reply Sadna #24

``UQAB # 22...There can`t be two Farangi_Kushs, now can there?``

Now you have me worried. Is this multiple nick habit catching on Chowk? Is it some sort of `flu? Or are only certain kinds of minds susceptible to this kind of disorder?

UQAB # 22
There can`t be two Farangi_Kushs, now can there? Praise the Lord and form a union! Brihanchowk Hindu-Baba-black-sheep-Nivaaran Sanghatan !

Reply UQAB # 22

“Negligible number of muslim migrated to India from present day Pakistan or Bangladesh(the arty type).There are still over 150 million muslims in India to keep hindus in line.They are there for a reason.”

…and you didn’t even tell us…kam se kam telegram tho bhejthe…but I suppose I can’t really blame you…you obviously didn’t get our detailed instructions on how to instill democracy and freedom of expression in Pakistan…

DOES INDIANESS BE DEFINED BY A PAKISTAN BORN SINDHI?

``Are you a chink?`` a tribal student from Himachal Pradesh, mistaken to be one from the Northeast, was asked in New Delhi some years ago. The reply was weird: ``No, I am an Indian.``Jyotinmoy Talukdar, a Northeastern student at Delhi University`s Law faculty, narrates the incident and many more similar ones. She then asks, ``What does Mr Advani mean by Indianness? The culture of the cowbelt?```Does Indianness mean cowbelt culture, Mr Advani?`

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?art_id=1700441652

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?art_id=1700441652

Does Indianness mean cowbelt culture, Mr Advani?’

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UWAHATI: “Are you a chink?” a tribal student from Himachal Pradesh, mistaken to be one from the Northeast, was asked in New Delhi some years ago. The reply was weird: “No, I am an Indian.”

Jyotinmoy Talukdar, a Northeastern student at Delhi University`s Law faculty, narrates the incident and many more similar ones. She then asks, “What does Mr Advani mean by Indianness? The culture of the cowbelt?

The 24-year-old was reacting to the home minister’s advice to chief ministers of the Northeastern states on Monday that they take the lead in instilling “Indianness” among the people of the region.

Recalls a public relations executive from Assam, Manas Kumar Kalita Neog” “As students, whenever we cooked at our rented accommodation in north Delhi, our neighbours and landlords would come and inquire whether we were cooking dogs, since the spices we use are slightly different. Under such circumstances, who wouldn’t feel alienated?``

Women from the Northeast, in particular, have had humiliating experiences outside the region leading to their self-confessed “alienation”. Regrets 23-yea-old Cherryl Kire, a government employee in Dimapur: “Just because we have Mongoloid features and hail from this region, we are treated as women with easy virtue. I was once standing in Bangalore`s Brigade Street having ice cream when two boys came and asked me for my price. Many of my friends have had similar experiences in Pune.``

Former chief minister of Nagaland, K.L.Chisi come down heavily on Advani, saying it was “very unbecoming” of the Union home minister to make such a “narrow” statement. “The heritage of the country lies in its unity amidst diversity. Without that, the very meaning of India would be lost. Everybody should be allowed to thrive in one own`s heritage and culture,” he said over phone.

Speaking over telephone from Shillong, Khasi Students Union president Paul Lyngdoh said there could not be any such thing as an “Indian identity”, since it varied from individual to individual. “What is Advani trying to imply by speaking about instilling Indianess? It seems very hazy at the moment.”

According to him, mainland India’s attitude towards the region has remained pretty prejudiced. “All that has happened since Independence is that the centre of activities has changed from London to New Delhi. Under such circumstances, the sense of alienation will persist,” he said.

Reacting sharply to Advani`s statement, Dilip Saikia, general secretary of Assam`s powerful student-youth organisation, the Asom Jatiy-abadi Yuba Chatra Parishad, pointed out: ``We Northeasters are more Indians than Advani. Why, when Assam was being infiltrated by foreigners, while the state machinery failed, the people of Assam themselves launched the Assam agitation to prevent the inflow.``

There is also a flip side to the controversy. ‘Mainland’ Indians serving or living in the region feel the Northeasterns should heed the home minister’s advice. There are glaring instances of how people from outside the region are called ‘Vai’ or foreigners. “All non-Mizos are treated as outsiders here. It is equally humiliating for us,” said a government employee hailing from Rajasthan posted in Aizawl.

Ref AeishA #: 16

[Subj: Racism - Poisonous Fruit of Zionism]

If founding of a Jewish homeland in Palestine is racism, WHAT is the founding of a Muslim homeland in the Indian subcontinent? If throwing out the Palestines from the lands they occupied is ethnic cleansing, what is the exodus of Hindus and Sikhs from present-day Pakistan to be called?

Remember the argument cuts both ways.

Now go crying to mama that the hated Hindoos have joined hands with the Zionists to kill the Muslims.

NO! NO! NO!

What you guys did in August 1947, the Israelis did in 1948.

Payback time for the Ummah!

By the way, did you learn ANY analytical skills at all in college or just learn how to regurgitate what you read in a textbook?

Pathetic pea-brained idiot!

Bapu # 17

Debating with you?

What an insult for me!

I was only trying to put some sense in the head of a person `jisne aqal vech ke pattisa kha leya.`

My dear Child, please check out I never said India is heaven but in comparison to its neighbours, well modesty stops me from saying anything further.

Since, you are an extremely ill-mannered kid, I say Bye Bye to you now.

Keep scoring imaginary wins.