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A Conversation with Om Puri in New York City

Saniya Ansari August 25, 2001

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#49 Posted by Deepika on September 11, 2001 12:44:44 am
PROFILE

A Brahmin`s Cow Tales

Beef—it`s the oldest shibboleth in the Indian mind. It is with textual evidence from Hindu, Buddhist and Jain canons that historian D.N. Jha takes on the sacred cow.



SHEELA REDDY



For over a month, the mild, balding professor of history, Dwijendra Narayan Jha, has been shuffling to his classroom in Delhi University escorted by a police constable. Teaching ancient history does not usually endanger one`s health, but ever since Jha went public with the best-kept secret in Indian history—the beef-eating habits of ancient Hindus, Buddhists and even early Jains in a book titled Holy Cow—Beef in Indian Dietary Conditions—his phone hasn`t stopped ringing. ``The calls are usually abusive,`` says Jha, ``but sometimes they demand to know what evidence I have, and one day late in July it was an anonymous caller threatening dire consequences if I ever brought out my book.``





``If they want to ban my book, they will also have to ban the Vedas, the Upanishads, the Sutras and the epics.``







The calls had two effects on the 61-year-old historian: he called the police and braced himself for battle. ``There is a cultural war going on and academics have a role to play,`` Jha says calmly. But it`s not the kind of war that he had anticipated. Even before





his book could hit the stands, the vhp exhorted its cadre to confiscate and burn copies. The bjp followed suit: one of its MPs, R.S. Rawat, wrote to the Union home minister demanding not only a ban on the book but also the arrest and prosecution of its author and CB Publishers. But before the book could be burnt or banned, the Jain Seva Sangh stepped in. Outraged by Jha`s reported assertion that their founder Mahavira ate meat, the Hyderabad-based organisation sought a court injunction against the book, leaving the nonplussed historian without the words to fight his war. Anticipating controversy and debate, Jha meticulously scoured ancient texts, culling material from original sources for over two years. ``If they want to ban my book, then they will have to ban the Vedas, the Upanishads, the Sutras and the epics. Where will they stop? I have given evidence, if they have counter-evidence, why don`t they come forward with it? But they are so illiterate, they haven`t even heard of those texts, let alone read them. I have texts and they go by blind faith,`` he says. ``That is what a historian can and should do: counter faith with facts,`` he adds.

Jha`s interest in dietary history began a few years ago after reading French historian Fernand Braudel`s history of early modern European diet. But he soon became intrigued by the beef-eating habits of Indians which existed in Rig Vedic times and continued till the 19th century and after, despite repeated Brahminical injunctions against cow-killing. That ancient Hindus, including Brahmins, were beef-eaters, willing to incur the minor penalty that an agrarian society began imposing on cow-killers, and that this fondness for cattle meat had nothing to do with Islam or Christianity came neither as a shock nor surprise to this unconventional Brahmin, whose first name Dwijendra means ``the holiest of Brahmins``. ``No serious historian, not even `Hindu` ones like R.C. Majumdar or K.M. Munshi, has ever disputed that ancient Hindus ate beef,`` says Jha. However, convinced that repeated Brahminical injunctions not to kill cows reflected a popular proclivity for beef, Jha went further and unearthed irrefutable evidence of cow slaughter and consumption by Hindus of all classes, including Brahmins, until as late as the 19th century. ``I was expecting this,`` says Jha, who tasted beef for the first time nearly 30 years ago at Cambridge. ``It was difficult to believe Brahmins were laying down norms without a reason. I think there is much more evidence than I got.``

The cow as a sacred animal, Jha believes, did not really gain currency until Dayanand Saraswati`s cow protection movement in the 19th century``.







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#45 Posted by farangi_kush on September 9, 2001 1:00:44 am
AAmir:Banjaara:

AAmir aur Banjaaraa sahibaan.

Shukraa bohut bohut!

Kyaa khoob shai sunaayay aap ney.

``Ho halqua e yaraan tO baresham kee tarah nurm

Ho maarkaa e razm tO faulaad hai momin``

aur ueh vuzahat bhee yahaN zarooree hai kay momin honay kay liyay musalmaan honaa bhee zarooree nahee hai....ulbatta muvvahid aur muttaqui hona shart hai.Aap(sww) nabee honay sey pehlay bhee momin thay.Nabbavvat spoiled track trecord vaalon ko naheeN utta hotee.

baa avaaz e bulaand!

Laanut burrr daktur younas sheikh mardood O raanda e dargah.

Please say salaams to ALL your friends at the apartment building viz:Bijli,shah,studebaker,AishA,Bhardawaj,Bapu,Ali1,UQAB,etc etc (I have a feeling I must have missed mentioning a few with apologies to them).

``Ho na ho upnay qabeelay kaa bhee koi LASHKAR,

muntazir ho ga andhayroN ki faseeloN sey udhhar,

Upnay sholON key rajaz uss ko pataa to daingay

dooor hai kitni subah---itnaa bataa tO dengay!``

WASSALAAM.

Coming soon:

To a theatre near everyone:``Return of Jehadi``;)

;):);):);):);)-;):);):)



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#44 Posted by Banjaara on September 8, 2001 6:25:21 pm
FARANGI_KUSH # 44.

Goya chowk par aanay ka matlab hua ke,

``iss aashiqi mein izzat-e-sadaat bhi gayi``

Qibla yeh tau sareehan zulm hai,dobaara ghaur kar

lijiye.Koi qaanuni nukta nikaal lein,aap tau masha

Allah ``shara`a ke bhi maahir hain. :))

zeyaada hadd-e-adab.



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#43 Posted by AAmir on September 8, 2001 6:25:21 pm
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#42 Posted by farangi_kush on September 8, 2001 2:07:27 pm
Banjaaraa:#41

``Vaa hasrata key yaar ney khainchaa sitam sey haath

humm ko harees e lazzat e aazaar daikh kurr``

``inn aablon sey paaoN key ghabraa gayaa thhaa mein

jee khush huaa hai raah ko puur khaar dekh kurr``.

Ajee vallaah kyooN nahaque kaantoN mein ghaseettain hain.Mein nacheez aur aap jaisay shurfaa key mudd e muquabil aayooN?Astaghfur-Allah!yeh CHOWK hey huzoor zaraa dheeray bolyay gaa.Kissi baankay luchhay lafangay ney sunn liyaa to shehr bhurr mein thhooo thhooo ho jaaeygee humaaree.Jee haaan iss fidvee kee dO kauree kee jo izzat rehgaee haii,kyaa uss ko bheee paiymaal kurnay purr kamar bastaa hain aap? AiiiN?

Naacheez,kumtareen,aap kee naa`leen khaak.

bandgee aur uzz hudd aadaab.



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#41 Posted by saminashah on September 8, 2001 2:07:27 pm
Gowardhan,

Don`t be silly; you are more than welcome in our conversations. In fact, when you are not busy cutting of the Hydra`s many heads, you can hang out with us.

regards



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#40 Posted by Gowardhan on September 8, 2001 3:49:29 am
saminashah, sadhna, scout,

You ladies may ignore as *holes like faranti-phus, ali1, and the hydra-headed shah/Aamir/bijli/bapu/bhardwaj. You will benenefit nothing by talking to these foulmouthed, racist, religious fanatic, sexist pigs. Everybody on chowk knows them. These pigs only deserve pigs like me.



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#39 Posted by Banjaara on September 7, 2001 10:29:34 pm
FARANGI_KUSH # 38

``CHOWK is where ``shurfaa`s`` do not assemble.``

Bhai aap nay yeh kya ghazab kar diya.hai,hai.

Yaani yeh ``shurafa`` ki jagah naheen hai?And I was

under the impression that at least there were two:

you and I :))

vaa hasrata :(



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#38 Posted by farangi_kush on September 7, 2001 4:55:01 pm
bapu:#32

Now I have not read the newsitem but from what you are saying it seems that their is no amount of stupidity of which both India & Pakistan are not capable.And yes they deserve ``credit`` for that.

For Allah sake how do you PROVE that something or someone is NOT there?



A man was watching another man for sometime with some curiosity & amusement.With his ear glued to the wall for sometime this Watcher walks over and also puts his ear to the wall.

After sometimes he says to the other:``I don`t hear anything``.

The other says:``How can you?you are here for only five minutes.I have been glued to the wall for five hours and I have not heard anything yet.How can you conclude this in only five minutes?``

Moral:A lot of people conclude and pronnounce that nothing is there only after such 5 minutes--whereas such is a lifetime endeavour and should only be announced either from deathbed or as a posthumous testament.;)----:).

Now see the sparks fly.Isn`t CHOWK great!

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Voh baat saaray fasanay mein jiss kaa zikr naa thaa

Voh baat unn ko bohut nagavaar guzree hai``

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Indeed Mushharraf deserves credit------for stupidity galore!

WASSALAAM.



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#37 Posted by farangi_kush on September 7, 2001 4:55:01 pm
sadna:#34

You learn fast.Good girl!----Girl?

Now why would you assume that I am a teetotaler?HaanH? or that I may NOT be a Ba Ba Blacksheep myself?HaanH.

Ryaaz Khairaabaadi wrote the best khumryaat in Urdu poetry....but he never even as touched a drop of liquor.Jinnah,no matter how he dressed or what he drank,was a stubborn & unflinching crusader for Islam & muslims--was he a Ba Ba Blacksheep?not in my books!& who cares what ANYONE says or thinks.Do I listen?only what I choose to.Am I a bigot in someones eyes?----you bet!Do I care------NAAAAH! & NEVER.

There is NOTHING personal here on chowk.The day you understand this you may throw away your prozaic or whatever they issue you from the government.

WASSALAAM.



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#36 Posted by farangi_kush on September 7, 2001 4:55:01 pm
saminashah:#33

Your posts are so sweet & full of innocuousness they make me envious of you.I fully understand your frustration but please consider this:

This is CHOWK where one would expect to meet all kinds and it would be free for all.Even in Parliaments & congresses there is seldom the kind of decorum you have been trained to expect.

Lest you get the impression that I condone or not condone any post here all I can suggest that such responses be ignored.

There is lot of stuff in your posts which I do not agree with but as long as no one ventures,with shoes on,into the territory I consider sacred I would ignore it.

The whole idea IS to find out what makes others bristle and to let others know what bristles me.

CHOWK is where ``shurfaa`s`` do not assemble.

PS:I could have regaled you with my meeting with Rushdie 12 years ago,but I do not consider it worthwhile to narrate it now simply because I think he has forfeited that attention as far as muslims are concerned.

PS2:This is a discussion group like anyother.Please do not take it so seriously.Whatever is written or discussed here is meant to either tickle,itch,or scratch someone.Intelletualism & sociologiness is good only to get ngo kind of jobs.Real world is run by those who are never mentioned in University Curriculums----the intellectuals/professors despise them because these latter always have more money & power.

I reiterate that I really enjoy your bubbly & spritely worldview.

Duaa aur pyaar.

WASSALAAM.



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#35 Posted by saminashah on September 7, 2001 4:55:01 pm
Neptune/Zafar/Sadna

re: The Hydra School

Think of these interactors as the stick figures of dialogue. Some of us can have conversations as fully equipped adults; certain Chowkwallahs have the intellectual, spiritual and emotional capacity of a stick figure drawn by a child in crayon.(They are not even cartoon characters-cartoon characters are more dimensional than these impaired individuals.)



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#34 Posted by Neptune on September 7, 2001 4:55:01 pm
Saminashah #33

Couldn`t have put it better.

More power to you.



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#33 Posted by sadna on September 7, 2001 4:18:09 pm
Zafar #29
The same to you :)

saminashah #33
Neptune #31 is right.
btw, whatever consensus is reached (Rushdie, etc), happy writing!

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#32 Posted by sadna on September 7, 2001 1:36:31 pm
FARANGI_KUSH #27
mohajir was never my nick and its easy to prove, too, but why should I bother?

You are right, we must judge the level of posters by the contents of the posts like ranting on gobar or slaves or something else. Some posters are made for each other in this respect, thats why the B-C Samanthwadi HEBaBaBSN Sanghathan(like minded).

And yes, we should not assume that you are really a teetotaller, or non-``Baba Blacksheep`` as you imply by heaping accusations on other people.



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#31 Posted by saminashah on September 7, 2001 11:02:44 am
Kush Sahib,

You had written that it doesnt matter how many cybernames an individual uses, but their message.

I disagree. My own experience involves an individual who uses TWELVE names to post messages at members. This individual, after realizing noone wanted to interact with him or respond to his messages (which were offensive in too many ways to detail), began to acquire new names and new genders hoping to trick members into conversing with him. This is unethical behavior.

Not only did this member wilfully misrepresent himself, but has taken to sending bullying posts that include his cursing, to people who have refused to interact with him. Is there anything reasonable or admirable about this?

I have noticed that most of Chowk members use one name and some of us use shortened versions of our names. The reason for this is that we are willing to be accountable for our opinions, we respect the rules of dialogue, and we have nothing to hide. The posts of people who have maintained one constant nickname tend to reflect a spirit of communication and that is based on self and mutual respect. Unfortunately there seems to be certain individuals who cannot endure the freedom of expression that contradicts or disagrees with their own value system.These members tend to be the ones who need elaborate subterfuge, and maintain the ridiculous notion that they can tell people whether they are Muslim, Indian, Pakistani or not.



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#30 Posted by Bapu on September 7, 2001 11:02:44 am


Give Musharaff the credit when it is due ,otherwise dont cry over smilt milk ,like you cry over the mujahdeens fury ,too late now!!

Pakistan invites Indian missing POWs relatives

ISLAMABAD, September 07 (PNS): President General Pervez Musharraf has

invited relatives of 54 missing Indian Prisoners of War (POW), to visit

Pakistan and see for themselves that no India soldier of the 1971 Pak-India

war languished in its prisons.

http://www.paknews.org/main.php?id=3&date1=2001-09-07



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#29 Posted by Neptune on September 7, 2001 11:02:44 am
Zafar / Sadna

There is a class of people who are unable to form ideas based on real life. They are very secure in their unalterable beliefs and have perfected the art of twisting perception to cope with the real world.

So, whenever any thought or idea challenges their carefully nurtured world view, all hell breaks loose. Like a house of cards, the slightest threat to any corner brings the entire edifice down. The obvious response therefore is to feverishly hold on to the worldview come what may. If the offending thought or argument is too strong to resist, it becomes a fight of simple survival. Logic is too sophisticated a tool for this. It is basic - claws, teeth, horns, chemical secretions and the like.

So maybe, you might rethink on arguing out points with somebody who is shaking uncontrollably, foaming at the mouth and dribbling onto the keyboard.



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#28 Posted by Neptune on September 7, 2001 11:02:44 am
Wow! Another graduate from the Hydra-Headed Academy of Social Graces.



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#27 Posted by ZafarA on September 7, 2001 12:11:32 am
Reply Sadna #26

This is a thoughtful and generous idea. Btw, your posts on sulekha are (a) 100% recognisable and (b) extremely appreciated.

Zafar



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#26 Posted by ZafarA on September 6, 2001 9:42:22 pm
Reply Farangi_Kush # immaterial

``I did not know Zafar al-Talib is a muslim...I think he deludes himself to thimk that he has muslims as relatives--no matter how much he wants to cozy up with them.``

er....actually....I was hoping to cozy up to yoooooooo Mr Khush...



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#25 Posted by farangi_kush on September 6, 2001 5:53:27 pm
Do Ankhain,Baara haath!

Now is this the stuff muslims are weaned on?Who is dancing with all the vigour to wreak havoc on earth.Is it Shiv or someone else?

The poor guy was save from total disgrace and retained the muthhi-bhurr(you know what) by the quick-thinking parbati.

I did not know Zafar al-Talib is a muslim.Is it possible?Just the other day he was commenting on the abhorrent practise of assigining religion to names....some concern about the individuality of a human(typical Indo-secular/socialist mumbo-jumbo).Are you the BJM `muslim` who was named Sikander but turned out to be Bunder Bakht?I think he deludes himself to thimk that he has muslims as relatives--no matter how much he wants to cozy up with them.

And the resident Chhachhoondar?So she gave up the Mohajir nick.No wonder the criminal mind cannot think anything but.And heaps accusations on those who are least bothered by her.On chowk?where EVERYONE who wants to is anonymous who cares under what name it is written--just pay attention to WHAT is written.Do I care if sadna is a real name or not or if someone writes under 12 names or if I am identified with anyone else.

Does anyone care?Except the Two eyes and and twelve hands who are known for their sliminess & slinkiness.

Crouching GEEDHURS and hidden Chachhoondars;that is what fits them better.

wassalaam.



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#24 Posted by sadna on September 6, 2001 11:12:46 am
Zafar #25
Well if its not flu, then this is a momentous meeting of minds. Can there really be TWO distinguished people who BS about gobar :). The `dispossessed patent-pending` attitude is very familiar too.

I feel sorry for them so let me make amends:
Brihanchowk SAMANTHWAADI Hindu-Evam-BaBa-Blacksheep Nivaaran Sanghatan-(Like Minded group).

Now all we need is to translate this into an appropriate language and they`ll be all set. Mr 12-face can be on the advisory board.



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#23 Posted by ZafarA on September 6, 2001 10:35:53 am
Reply Sadna #24

``UQAB # 22...There can`t be two Farangi_Kushs, now can there?``

Now you have me worried. Is this multiple nick habit catching on Chowk? Is it some sort of `flu? Or are only certain kinds of minds susceptible to this kind of disorder?



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#22 Posted by sadna on September 5, 2001 11:45:39 pm
UQAB # 22
There can`t be two Farangi_Kushs, now can there? Praise the Lord and form a union! Brihanchowk Hindu-Baba-black-sheep-Nivaaran Sanghatan !

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#21 Posted by ZafarA on September 5, 2001 10:08:43 pm
Reply UQAB # 22

“Negligible number of muslim migrated to India from present day Pakistan or Bangladesh(the arty type).There are still over 150 million muslims in India to keep hindus in line.They are there for a reason.”

…and you didn’t even tell us…kam se kam telegram tho bhejthe…but I suppose I can’t really blame you…you obviously didn’t get our detailed instructions on how to instill democracy and freedom of expression in Pakistan…



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#20 Posted by Deepika on September 5, 2001 2:13:29 pm
DOES INDIANESS BE DEFINED BY A PAKISTAN BORN SINDHI?

``Are you a chink?`` a tribal student from Himachal Pradesh, mistaken to be one from the Northeast, was asked in New Delhi some years ago. The reply was weird: ``No, I am an Indian.``Jyotinmoy Talukdar, a Northeastern student at Delhi University`s Law faculty, narrates the incident and many more similar ones. She then asks, ``What does Mr Advani mean by Indianness? The culture of the cowbelt?```Does Indianness mean cowbelt culture, Mr Advani?`

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?art_id=1700441652

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?art_id=1700441652

Does Indianness mean cowbelt culture, Mr Advani?’

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SHANKHADEEP CHOUDHURY

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TIMES NEWS NETWORK

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UWAHATI: “Are you a chink?” a tribal student from Himachal Pradesh, mistaken to be one from the Northeast, was asked in New Delhi some years ago. The reply was weird: “No, I am an Indian.”

Jyotinmoy Talukdar, a Northeastern student at Delhi University`s Law faculty, narrates the incident and many more similar ones. She then asks, “What does Mr Advani mean by Indianness? The culture of the cowbelt?

The 24-year-old was reacting to the home minister’s advice to chief ministers of the Northeastern states on Monday that they take the lead in instilling “Indianness” among the people of the region.

Recalls a public relations executive from Assam, Manas Kumar Kalita Neog” “As students, whenever we cooked at our rented accommodation in north Delhi, our neighbours and landlords would come and inquire whether we were cooking dogs, since the spices we use are slightly different. Under such circumstances, who wouldn’t feel alienated?``

Women from the Northeast, in particular, have had humiliating experiences outside the region leading to their self-confessed “alienation”. Regrets 23-yea-old Cherryl Kire, a government employee in Dimapur: “Just because we have Mongoloid features and hail from this region, we are treated as women with easy virtue. I was once standing in Bangalore`s Brigade Street having ice cream when two boys came and asked me for my price. Many of my friends have had similar experiences in Pune.``

Former chief minister of Nagaland, K.L.Chisi come down heavily on Advani, saying it was “very unbecoming” of the Union home minister to make such a “narrow” statement. “The heritage of the country lies in its unity amidst diversity. Without that, the very meaning of India would be lost. Everybody should be allowed to thrive in one own`s heritage and culture,” he said over phone.

Speaking over telephone from Shillong, Khasi Students Union president Paul Lyngdoh said there could not be any such thing as an “Indian identity”, since it varied from individual to individual. “What is Advani trying to imply by speaking about instilling Indianess? It seems very hazy at the moment.”

According to him, mainland India’s attitude towards the region has remained pretty prejudiced. “All that has happened since Independence is that the centre of activities has changed from London to New Delhi. Under such circumstances, the sense of alienation will persist,” he said.

Reacting sharply to Advani`s statement, Dilip Saikia, general secretary of Assam`s powerful student-youth organisation, the Asom Jatiy-abadi Yuba Chatra Parishad, pointed out: ``We Northeasters are more Indians than Advani. Why, when Assam was being infiltrated by foreigners, while the state machinery failed, the people of Assam themselves launched the Assam agitation to prevent the inflow.``

There is also a flip side to the controversy. ‘Mainland’ Indians serving or living in the region feel the Northeasterns should heed the home minister’s advice. There are glaring instances of how people from outside the region are called ‘Vai’ or foreigners. “All non-Mizos are treated as outsiders here. It is equally humiliating for us,” said a government employee hailing from Rajasthan posted in Aizawl.



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#19 Posted by harimau on September 5, 2001 10:07:33 am
Ref AeishA #: 16

[Subj: Racism - Poisonous Fruit of Zionism]

If founding of a Jewish homeland in Palestine is racism, WHAT is the founding of a Muslim homeland in the Indian subcontinent? If throwing out the Palestines from the lands they occupied is ethnic cleansing, what is the exodus of Hindus and Sikhs from present-day Pakistan to be called?

Remember the argument cuts both ways.

Now go crying to mama that the hated Hindoos have joined hands with the Zionists to kill the Muslims.

NO! NO! NO!

What you guys did in August 1947, the Israelis did in 1948.

Payback time for the Ummah!

By the way, did you learn ANY analytical skills at all in college or just learn how to regurgitate what you read in a textbook?

Pathetic pea-brained idiot!



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#18 Posted by Humsab on September 5, 2001 10:07:33 am
Bapu # 17

Debating with you?

What an insult for me!

I was only trying to put some sense in the head of a person `jisne aqal vech ke pattisa kha leya.`

My dear Child, please check out I never said India is heaven but in comparison to its neighbours, well modesty stops me from saying anything further.

Since, you are an extremely ill-mannered kid, I say Bye Bye to you now.

Keep scoring imaginary wins.



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#17 Posted by Bapu on September 5, 2001 2:25:18 am
#: 15

Humsab

Bapu # 13

If India arrested all culprits why culprits of Babri masjid demolition ,Sikh riots of 84 ,Bombay riots of 92-93 ,are never prosecuted?

If it was not for ILYAS ABBASI ,working on Z t.v. counterpart of Americas Most Wanted you would have had even less prosecution.Are you suggesting Indias prosecution & case solved % is BETTER THAN USA .And you have no idea about Pakistans prosecution.Laws may not be same ,but illegal action is punished better in Pakistan than tehar Jail in which international criminal SHOBH RAJ ,held birth day parties with ever over supply of Prostitutes & then just walked out to freedom to enjoy life in Paris after dozen murders .

You have NO CHANCE debating as far indias loop holes are concerned .



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#15 Posted by Humsab on September 4, 2001 9:03:58 am
Bapu # 13

Shame shame and more shame on these Indians!

But just wait. Can you see difference. In India these people are caught and put behind bars but in your great country, they are set free to indulge in sectarian violence and are called defenders of faith, fidayeen, jihadis, freedom fighters and their parents who send their sons for such suicides are honoured. None of them are put behind bars neither those who kill nor those who act as agent provocateur.

Now, since you are an intelligent youngman, I am sure you can see the difference.

Have a sunny day.



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#14 Posted by Eklavya on September 4, 2001 2:53:56 am
Bapu,

That is too horrible for words. Probably this guy went bonkers like the Ukranian fellow who killed his entire family some days ago and has lately been in constantly in the news here in the states. But still, the fact that someone could use any religious excuse for such monstrosity is sickening....



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#13 Posted by Bapu on September 4, 2001 12:08:42 am


Gowardhan,Jay,

is this the sophisticated ancient religion of tolerence ,in which Gandhi found solace or the sharade of non violence is just another feather bought & pinned like another activism button on south asian acticivists lapel??

Man sacrifices son for supernatural powers

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Chennai, Sep 3



A 46-year-old self-styled `godman`beheaded his son in a gory occult ritual early Monday in the belief that he will propitiate the Gods and gain supernatural powers.

Police arrested Chandrasekharan, who was holding his son Shanmuga Sundaram`s (20) head and chanting hymns while sitting in front of portraits of Gods after chopping it off with a sword.

Earlier, on hearing the cries of the boy, Chandrasekharan`s wife and mother-in-law tried to rescue him but were attacked with sword in their house.

They were admitted to the Stanley Medical college hospital with injuries on their hands.

Police said Chandrasekharan confessed to having killed his son as he had dreamt that he would gain supernatural powers if he did so.

A case of murder has been registered against him.

Chadrasekharan has two other sons and a daughter.











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#12 Posted by Bapu on September 4, 2001 12:08:42 am


Gowardhan,Jay,

is this the sophisticated ancient religion of tolerence ,in which Gandhi found solace or the sharade of non violence is just another feather bought & pinned like another activism button on south asian acticivists lapel??

Man sacrifices son for supernatural powers

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Chennai, Sep 3



A 46-year-old self-styled `godman`beheaded his son in a gory occult ritual early Monday in the belief that he will propitiate the Gods and gain supernatural powers.

Police arrested Chandrasekharan, who was holding his son Shanmuga Sundaram`s (20) head and chanting hymns while sitting in front of portraits of Gods after chopping it off with a sword.

Earlier, on hearing the cries of the boy, Chandrasekharan`s wife and mother-in-law tried to rescue him but were attacked with sword in their house.

They were admitted to the Stanley Medical college hospital with injuries on their hands.

Police said Chandrasekharan confessed to having killed his son as he had dreamt that he would gain supernatural powers if he did so.

A case of murder has been registered against him.

Chadrasekharan has two other sons and a daughter.











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#11 Posted by Gowardhan on September 4, 2001 12:08:42 am
Ja Mir,

I am moved by your concern.

Yours fully moved

Gowardhan



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#10 Posted by ahmedmadani on September 3, 2001 3:51:44 pm
he is aginst pakistan and muslim principals. He made fun of muslims from india pk. Let not forget that. no publicity to antipakistani hindu type log.



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#9 Posted by AAmir on September 3, 2001 3:51:44 pm
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#7 Posted by Bapu on August 26, 2001 9:52:22 pm
SHIV SENA LEADER DIES OF CARDIAC ARREST ,FOLLOWERS VANDALIZE HOSPITAL & BUSES

All shiv Sena are so full of hot air of hatred that victim was 50 & all that pent up hatred! gee!!

crowd goes ballistics .For what??Why vandalize the hospital & buses in mumai .It might help all of them if they took better care of there blood pressure instead of there guru Thackerey.

FLASH NEWS!!!

LD DIGHE

Senior Sena leader Anand DigHe dies of mascive cardiac arrest

THANE, AUG 26 (PTI)

Firebrand Shiv Sena leader Anand Dighe died of a massive heart attack at a private hospital here tonifht.

He wac 50.

Shiv Sainiks went on a rampage as soon as thE news of his death broke, ransackiNg the hospital where Dighe wAs undergoing treatment and pelted stones at thE city buses

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Harimou

Why are you concerned about the ARTICLE.I bet 1/2 of them you dont read & those you read you dont GET IT.like my Posts.Besides doesnt all bouil down to isse par vs usse paar irrespective of religion .



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#6 Posted by harimau on August 26, 2001 2:09:56 pm
Chowkidars,

Kyaa hua? Double posting of entire pages of interacts and now this, re-posting what has already been posted.

Remember the time when you posted an article three times in a row and our one and only Wisdom of the East aka Farzana complained about a conspiracy to move her article to the archives?

Whatever it is, I hope you aren`t turning to El Shrinko for treatment of your loss of memory. You want to see a neurologist, not a psychopath, for that.



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#5 Posted by AAmir on August 26, 2001 3:17:27 am
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#4 Posted by scout on August 25, 2001 5:47:50 pm
dejavu

i`ve definitely read this before



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#3 Posted by temporal on August 25, 2001 3:37:07 pm
id #1:

[....err.. hasnt this been posted before??...}

...absolutley right...
http://www.chowk.com/bin/showa.cgi?sansari_feb0301

...and only yesterday i mentioned to fuzair about loss of memory;)...am glad you pointed it out...

rgds,

t

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#2 Posted by saminashah on August 25, 2001 2:07:35 pm
Dear Saniya,

Lovely. Thank you!



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#1 Posted by id on August 25, 2001 2:07:35 pm
err.. hasnt this been posted before??



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