Shadows of Hate

Reply Dost-Mittar #: 20

``yes, the BJP is the senior partner in our current Federal Government, but how much of the popular vote did it get?``

“Zafar bhai, you are making the same mistake that some Pakistanis make when they point to the small number of seats won by the religious parties in Pakistan (which, as you knowk,is lot less than that won by the BJP). It`s not just the quantity but also the quality of the support that matters; BJP has a very solid support among the elite in India- the educated, the professional, the upwardly mobile and the NRIs. The only redeeming feature seems to be that these sections seem to be more in tune with the loosey-goosey (your favourite word!!) hindutva of Vajpayee than the hardcore Knickerwallahs of the RSS.”

DMji

Agreed, but do you not think that the inability of the BJP to implement a Hindutva agenda in (most recent example) school textbooks is a relevant indicator of support for kattar fascism? (Also their inability so far to build a Ram Mandir where Babri Masjid stood.) As for loosey-goosey (yum! yum! kya lafz! Kya shabd!) Hindutva – I lump a lot of that in with a vaguely defined Hindu Renaissance, and frankly, that doesn’t bother me. I quite like the idea that Hinduism should have an intellectual and spiritual renaissance. Mashallah, ab hamen bhi karna chahiye, and we should start with a uniform civil code.

Zafar

PS

“This gives me another opportunity to kick my favourite punching-bag, Nehru…”

Bilkul sahi - those achkans and roses irritated just about everybody. And then creating states based on linguistic boundaries….what folly!

For crying out loud, just look around -- do you see lynch mobs of screaming rampaging whites hunting down Muslims, South Asians and Arabs to seek revenge -- something of a subcontinental pastime?

Considering the enormity of the crime -- and the magnitude of the destruction in human life and property -- in a SINGLE attack --(over 5000 civilian burned to death, 340!! fire fighters buried alive under the collapsed buildings, 87 policemen killed while rescuing people)-- most Americans are grieving with lot of poise and dignity and reacting with civility -- despite scattered incidents perpetrated by some angry white trash.

So let`s not make a mountain out of a mole hill.

#11 Kiran

Where i live, some businesses are operating with the shutters down but a jew is organizing people to patronize arab/muslim businesses /restaurants. It`s nice to see the other side for a change. Ultimately, this is a very civil society.

Mehdavi #12 Not to mention your post sitting right on top of Post Number 11.

Hmmmm......

I believe people also found a lot of such connections when Abraham Lincoln was assasinated (something to do with the number of letters in his name and something else...I forget).

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#: 14

vidyadhara

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m/s Vidyadhjara

Everyone ,

is old timer reg.onIndo-link,where all her posts is the same as here.No purpose ofcourse although she thinks American Policy is going to be influenced by her Hindu Mahasabha mind set ,like Shima,Naptune,Sadna ,Rani etc.

Go cut & paste on india forum,Vidya ,there is nothing you write is new for us in fact be accurate so far 185 ppl. bodies are dead ,& expected missing (which is mostly the dead in the rubble plus 100 peole get lost when they are runaway are reported missing .)NOT 10,ooo which I KNOW YOU WISH ,so that impact the greater more the GLEE ON SMIRKING FACE OF HINDIANS!,

aha,

Because there is the possiblity that some muslims can be condemned for this act, you are so agonized. You have declared yourself a martyr not of victimhood but potential victimhood.

Beautiful. Then also therefore declare america guilty of crime.

If 10000 innocents are killed in 10 seconds by fundamentalist muslim terrorists, it is a case of something wrong with the world at large not with those people.

But if the american government talks of targeting those particular murderers, then it is a fault of the american psyche at large, so they had it coming.

There is one unbeatable argument I heard a long while ago.

``Be reasonable, do it my way.``

Re: Interact # 9 Urstruly

WHY THEY HATE US SO MUCH?

May I offer my sincere congratulations on this

meaningful interact. Please keep it up. Please

do not feel bad when some one abuses you simply

because they do not agree with you. I have read

your interacts on other boards. They are

commendable.

I do not understand why people abuse writers when

they do not agree with them. We must be civilized

and if it is not possible, we must pretend to be

civilized.

That is it for now.

My wife tells me some interesting facts about the

horrible events that took place on September 11, 2001.

(1) Date: 11 (September 2001)

(2) American Airlines Flight Number: 11

(3) Twin Towers: 11

Welcome to Chowk Mr. Husain,

This was a very well-written piece. It concisely points out what almost every Muslim is thinking at this time (i.e the sane ones). Yes, what happened was beyond wrong; No, Muslims don`t believe in this course of action.

I received an email from my former English prof. yesterday, who lives in NY, I don`t know how to tell her, what she already knows, but is doubting: as Muslims we are shocked by what a so-called fellow Muslim did. I`m still searching for the proper words, to help alleviate her fears and assumptions. As a highly educated person, she knows not to fall into the hands of propaganda, but then again, it`s difficult to not believe your eyes.

Once again, a job well done. In times like this, where emotions run high, you managed to keep your wits about you.

Regards,

Kiran

Welcome to Chowk Mr. Husain,

This was a very well-written piece. It concisely points out what almost every Muslim is thinking at this time (i.e the sane ones). Yes, what happened was beyond wrong; No, Muslims don`t believe in this course of action.

I received an email from my former English prof. yesterday, who lives in NY, I don`t know how to tell her, what she already knows, but is doubting: as Muslims we are shocked by what a so-called fellow Muslim did. I`m still searching for the proper words, to help alleviate her fears and assumptions. As a highly educated person, she knows not to fall into the hands of propaganda, but then again, it`s difficult to not believe your eyes.

Once again, a job well done. In times like this, where emotions run high, you managed to keep your wits about you.

Regards,

Kiran

It seems to me that there the incidents targeted at Muslims and Middle easterners are only stray events, and in no way refelective of the mood of americans at large. The president, vice-president, newscasters, everyone has spoken out against them, and many americans have rallied to support their muslim brethren. Seeing only one side of the story can be very dangerous under the current circumstances.

-narain

WHY THEY HATE US SO MUCH?

That is the question every sane mind in US is asking these days. One must keep in mind as well that the first impulsive reaction throughout the Third World in general and Middle East in particular, when this tragedy happened, was that of jubilation. People looked with awe the demise of the myth of invulnerability of United States. The myth is no more. The beast can be brought down to its knees. Soon the compassion for the innocent lives took over and grief sunk in. The US and Western media is desperately trying to tone down this initial impulsive reaction of the Third World. Because US government does not want to face the question “why they hate us so much?” at this time.

US media is also trying to tone down the hate crimes against the people of Middle East and South Asian origin. The wave of hate has spread across the continents; lives and properties of colored people are being destroyed; and their places of worship are being set on fire. The tragedy has unleashed the inherent racial hatred in these societies. US media has failed to bring these crimes in the light because the last thing that US government wants is people asking “why they hate us so much”

One may assume that this time it wont be easy for US government to dodge this question. But that is not true. The power of propaganda and media will again be used to exploit the situation. Lets admit it that FBI and CIA have utterly failed in preventing this tragedy to happen. But with in hours they were able to find their bogeyman. The main brunt of American indignation has already been directed towards Taliban and OBL. Warnings have been issued to the nations who ``support” the terrorists. “Pakistan will be given one opportunity to prove where it stands” are the words of GW Bush. The arrogance of this nation knows no bounds. Is this the protocol to address a sovereign nation who has already pledged its support?

Lets face it, the American leaders are no visionary. America desperately needs a war to prove its leadership to the world. It is abundantly clear that US will delay or prevent the handing over of Osama Bin Laden. It is clear that US will impose some impossible conditions on Taliban to do so.

A couple of months ago I was ridiculed at Chowk for hypothesizing a scenario where US will be threatening Pakistan with “our way or the highway”. The dreaded time has come rather quickly. US is parked in the Arabian sea right now, off the coast of Karachi, threatening the whole region, including Pakistan. So the hypothetical scenario based on the contention that US will excess anywhere whenever it will like, has come true. The arrogance of this nation is once again threatening the world peace.

Whether or not OBL did it; whether or not Taliban knew or not, US has no right to slaughter innocent Afghans to prove its leadership. The Afghans are as innocent as the people in the WTC were. We must speak up to prevent this circle of violence from revolving again. It is amoral. Period.

Pakistan and Taliban must understand that US will stop at nothing. They must forget about asking for the “credible evidence” crap, because there wont be any. No reasoning will work here because the main purpose of this aggression is not to prevent terrorism, its main purpose to make a statement that US is still the leader.

The best course of action for Pakistan and Taliban at this stage is to hand over OBL to a neutral European country (which is an oxymoron) as soon as possible-Pakistan must involve China and make full use of media to prevent US from creating hurdles in this hand over.

In the end I would request all to SPEAK UP against any aggression against people of Afghanistan. Because the next country facing the cruise missiles would be yours. It is time that Americans learn to live in this world with peace and resolve their issues peacefully.

SPEAK UP IF YOU BELIEVE IN “HUMANS FIRST”

Mr. Hussain

I dont think that American nation is willing to do an introspection. The financial interests of a common American are so tightly tied to the neo-colonial aspirations of United States that they do not even want to be critical of their own behavior. Lets admit it that the current US president is no visionary and has already expressed his intentions to maintain the status quo.

Your examination was fair and appropriate especially at this forum which is dominated by brown apologists of American excesses throughout the world. Welcome to Chowk.

Taimoor,

A very superficial article. Dont just focus on the WTC event. You have kashmir, you have palestine, you have moro fights in the philippines, recent events in indonesia, fights in chechnia. If you have any open mind you can see one common thread.

Underlying all of the above is one common world view, frozen in time, banned from every revision, protected by fawas against any adaptation. Look at the foundations, identify the root cause and be bold enough to saty that something needs revision, be fatwaed.

regards and best wishes for a long life.

jay

Loved your article Taimoor.My sentiments exactly.

Maryam Khan