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America`s `baira` will be `gharaq`

Famous warrior and chief of Lashkar-e-Tayba Hafiz Saeed told Nawa-e-Waqt that there will be baira gharaq (shipwreck) of America at the hands of Allah. He said it was the religious duty of all Pakistanis to come to the defence of the Islamic government of Afghanistan. He said the crusades were on and the Christians would come to grief. He asked General Musharraf why he agreed with the American bombing of airports and power stations in Afghanistan since they were not hideouts for the terrorists. Mufti Shamzai of Banuri mosque in Karachi ruled that the government which supports the Americans should be toppled.

Mulla Umar is nuts

According to daily Din, Mulla Umar the caliph of Afghanistan was mentally sick and was given to bouts of madness during which he screamed like a child. It was his routine to lock himself inside a room which his followers thought was a kind of maraqba (spiritual vigil) but in fact he tried to hide his madness.

Journalist who ate five times a day!

According to Khabrain British journalist Yvonne Ridley writing about her arrest at the hands of the Taliban intelligence agency said that the statement of the Afghan spokesman that she was given five meals a day `because she was used to eating all the time` was false because she was not given any food and that she was on hunger strike during her captivity and had eaten only after being released. She added that she was made to walk 80 miles.

Mulla Umar`s teacher held

According to Khabrain, Mullah Umar`s teacher, 67 year old Maulana Ghulam Sarwar, was picked up in Quetta and held in custody by the Pakistani police. The teacher, after being arrested, immediately declared jehad on America. The arrest was made hours after the beginning of the American attack on Afghanistan.

Dr Israr`s pearls of wisdom

Quoted in daily Din, Lahore`s famous cleric Dr Israr Ahmad said that the attacks in New York and Washington on September 11 were carried out by the Jews. Next, the Jews will destroy Masjid-e-Aqsa in occupied Jerusalem. He said Israel will finally be conquered by the combined power of the mujahideen from Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Gul sways lawyers

According to daily Pakistan, ex-ISI chief General Hamid Gul told the Lahore High Court bar that the terrorism in America was actually the work of Americans and Jews. He said America wanted to end the power of China and Pakistan. After Afghanistan, America would end Pakistan. After his speech, the lawyers became extremely emotional and shouted that he should lead their procession against the government, but the office bearers of the bar succeeded in containing the fiery passions of the true Muslim lawyers.

Astrologers on Taliban crisis

According to Khabrain, a handful of astrologers in Lahore expressed conflicting views on the future of the on-going American attacks on Afghanistan. Almost all of them said that America will fail and that the Taliban will win and the Muslim world would unite, but disagreed in detail. One said that Pakistan will emerge from its own crisis in 2002, and another said that Osama bin Laden would leave Afghanistan but Mulla Umar would lose power in 2001.

A bungalow for Mulla Umar

Famous columnist Nazeer Naji wrote in Jang that Osama bin Laden came to Afghanistan and took control of it and in return built a bungalow for Mulla Umar. After that he got rid of Mulla Umar`s Afghan guards and appointed a new guard comprising the Bengali warriors of his organisation, Al-Qaeda. These were salaried men who had learned to hate Pakistan.

Jesus writes to Christians!

Columnist Ismail Qureshi wrote in Nawa-e-Waqt a letter from Jesus to his Christian followers wherein Christianity was accused of having imposed crusades on Muslims and then exploited the Muslim world in the 20th century, building its World Trade Center with the usury extracted from poor Muslim states. Then Christ sent ghaibi (invisible) power which destroyed the World Trade Center, after which Christianity declared war on poor Muslims. Jesus said that he could not remain quiet on this injustice and asked Christians to reform themselves and do penance.

The name of Osama bin Laden

Daily Nawa-e-Waqt wrote in its Sare Rahe column that Pakistan foreign minister Abdul Sattar returned from Doha and held a press conference at Lahore State Guest House but carefully avoided naming Osama bin Laden while the world was talking about him and President Bush was waking up at night crying Osama, Osama! The column called on the Taliban ambassador in Islamabad Mulla Zaeef to rename himself Mulla Qavi (powerful) because that was what was needed against the Americans. His name Zaeef means weak.

Gen Aslam Beg speaks again

Quoted in Khabrain, ex-COAS General Mirza Aslam Beg said that if the Americans sent land troops in Afghanistan tau oos kay hosh thikanay ajayen gai (will be brought to its senses). The last time he said this during the Gulf war, the Americans landed and Saddam Hussein was quickly defeated. But the genius of General Beg has remained undimmed in the service of Pakistan. Ex-ISI chief, General Hameed Gul said in Khabrain that America will never send land troops into Afghanistan. He said OIC was murda (dead). Maj-Gen (Retd) Tajamul Hussain Malik said not so originally that America wanted to take hold of Pakistan`s nuclear weapons and give them away to some other country. He said the war against the Taliban would be a long one and the Americans would run away after seeing dead bodies.

Praising great actresses

Film producer Khwaja Pervez wrote in Khabrain that a statement by actress Reema, Mira, Resham and Saima that they would die for Pakistan was a great gesture of self-sacrifice for the country even though the statement was the work of a destitute journalist sitting at his desk. He said Reema had made Pakistan famous by doing colossal shopping in America, thus picking up its economy and making it beholden to Pakistan. He said the debt of the tawaef (courtesans) was great on Pakistan since they sang all the TV songs. They should now be sent to America to persuade it not to kill the Afghans.

India will remember its `nani`

Quoted in Khabrain, General (Retd) K.M. Arif said that if India attacked Pakistan it will be made to remember its nani (grandmother). He said the Americans had superiority in the air but if they sent land forces into Afghanistan, then the Taliban will have superiority over them. Two superpowers (Britain and the USSR) have had themselves already defeated in Afghanistan. General Hameed Gul said that the Americans will soon learn the rates of atta and daal in Afghanistan.

Parachinar refuses asylum to Afghans

According to Khabrain, the tribal people of Parachinar in the Kurram Agency refused to offer asylum to the Afghan refugee fleeing their country `because the last we did that the Russians attacked us and killed 12 of us`. Seeing this, the political agent set up three refugee camps in the lower part of the Kurram Agency.

Osama like Napoleon and Quaid

Astrologer Abdul Wahab told Khabrain that the thumb of Osama bin Laden was like the thumbs of Napoleon and the Quaid-e-Azam. He said Osama was under threat till November 4, after which he will be safe. According to his lines, Osama was incapable of attacking America but he had a personality that attracted human beings like honey attracted bees. Osama did not bow in front of anyone and was a man of great determination, but he would meet a sad end.

`Reema lao!`

According to Khabrain a local theatre in Lahore was nearly put on fire by an angry crowd after film actress Reema failed to turn up in a show arranged in her name. After Reema failed to appear, the crowd shouted Reema Lao (bring Reema) and began to damage the property of the theatre. The administration said that though the show was dedicated to Reema there was no pledge by them to bring her to the theatre. After this the crowd tried to set fire to the theatre.

Americans eat sleeping pills

Great columnist Muzaffar Bukhari wrote in daily Din that America was worth pitying because 20 percent of the Americans were clinically mad and the rest took sleeping pills to go to sleep. He wrote that the Americans should read the following line of Allama Iqbal: tu agar mera nahin banta nan ban apna tau ban (if you can`t be mine be your own person).

Hekmatyar joins whom?

According to daily Insaf great Afghan leader and former ISI favourite Glubuddin Hekmatyar joined the Taliban with his men and all the weapons he had got from Pakistan`s ISI during the Afghan war. He was keeping the weapons as buried cache somewhere in Afghanistan. Other reports said that Hekmatyar had joined the Northern Alliance.

Mulla Umar`s family killed

According to Ausaf, the wife of Mulla Umar, one daughter and two sons, got killed during the American air attacks. The sons were injured on the first day of the attack. His close relatives were also either injured a or were killed by the American bombs falling on Kandahar.

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Re: ylh

``In any event, the word `abeyance` has a different meaning from the word `suspended`. In any event the constitution might be in abeyance, but Part 1 Chap 2 stands valid as Pakistan`s expression on guaranteed human rights. ``

If there ever was any doubt about you being full of $hit, this removes it. A country throws out its elected government, a military dictator squeezes the necks of its puppet judges to give him laughable legitmacy, and you present some obtuse logic to defend it all.

Re: YLH #65

From Xinhua (Chinese news agency):

``Pakistan Appoints New Supreme Court Chief Justice``

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200001/26/eng20000126W121.html

Note, the former chief justice refused to break allegiance to the suspended constitution, and had to go. Musharraf REQUIRED all judges to swear allegiance to the PCO.

Shammi #6 Mona #113

Yes but WHO can they pick to replace Sonia ... the congress has not had any popular leader since Rajeev was assasinated ...

I really wish some successful Indians who have already had a great career would come forward to serve their country in politics.

For example I`d vote for Narayan Murthy (INFOSYS) in a heartbeat or Kiran Bedi - why is politics largely confined only to criminals, hard core ideologues and political dynasties? Don`t you think people like Abdul Kalam (is he being considered for President), Azim Premji and Dr Yusuf Hamedi (CIPLA Chairman and an Indian Muslim-Jew, go figure!) could help provide some political (or other) leadership to Indian Muslims?

if any one reads YLH`s posts they will think the pakistanis are all honey and faithful and true. Indeed if you read his juvenile sophomrish rant on paknews.com you will be convinced the whole world is against pakistan, and he is the white knight on the horse....

but I guess this little pipsqueak will ignore Friday times, and Khalid when he says the follwoign (note: this is jus a small snippet from the article - where Khalid shows the paki origins of the kargil heros)

quote

That`s what happened in 1993 when a certain Brigadier Kamal Alam that India would simply collapse after the Bombay mayhem. In the event, it turned out to be another Pearl Harbour, a act-of-anger operation that gained Pakistan nothing, except that General Javed Nasir got the sack soon after the Nawaz Sharif government fell. The man who fronted the operation, Indian underworld king Dawood Ibrahim, was bequeathed to Pakistan by the agency as the most negative fallout of the ill-conceived operation. In 2001, he is perhaps the most powerful man in Karachi owning large estates and keeping army and police personnel on his payroll.

http://www.thefridaytimes.com/news9.htm

read about the Dawood your General said didnot exist. Read about the paki hand behind the Bombay bombs. Generally , Khalid seems to be accepting that Pakistan has a very big hand behind the terrorism in India. So the phrase Pakistan the Terrorist State stands, the *hit sticks. YLH think you better hide that face in shame, and for once stop and think before you post extrarodinary junk in the hope of catching the eys of the pwers that be in pakistan.

As they say what goes round will come round. Now Al-bin-laden is going to take over the country - witness his latest fax to Al-jeezera station.

Boy, oh boy.

RE: EST Reply #: 36 ylh

``tvarad,

Have you ever been to Pakistan? You say `there is something fundamentally wrong with Pakistan` when your own country`s living standard albiet Bangalore and Bombay is far worse than Pakistan could ever be. Is this `fundamental` problem that Pakistan has a military Government? Really?

Isnt a Military Government better than a democratically elected government elected in our `secular` neighbor on the promise of `nukes, destruction of Pakistan, and Hindu fundamentalism```

I have no illusions about the crooks that run India and the bogeys they raise to get elected as alluded to in my previous post. But at least they have the fear that every five years they will be judged by the people and modify their predatory behavior at least a little and focus on the needs of the common man. That is better than the zero attention Pakistani leaders focus on her social problems, mainly because the vested interests are so obsessed with self-aggrandizement. Whatever BB`s and NS`s faults were (and they were monumental), at least they were entrusted with the sacred public trust as opposed to interlopers like Ayub, Yahya, Zia and now Mushy (I know, I know the people are with him) and the ISI`s version of how Pakistan`s security should be looked after.

And believe me, it is the neurotic obsession of Pakistani leaders to match India no matter what that has caused it to teeter on the verge of banktrupcy and nothing India has done so far.

``Have some shame. Leave Pakistan alone, you Pakistan obsessed Scounderels!``

We really would like to leave you alone. But you guys have a habit of biting when we aren`t looking :-).

Top Ten Tips For Ambitious Indian Prime Ministers

By Ayeda

Thefridaytimes.com

10. Hijack your own airplanes when American airplanes get hijacked

9. Bomb your own buildings when American buildings get bombed

8. Spread Anthrax scare in your own country when Americans get Anthrax

7. Start vandalizing national Islamic architecture when mosques in America attacked

6. Conjure up domestic crises and declare them “acts of war”

5. Label everyone who disagrees with you a “terrorist”

4. Start beating up on own Muslim citizens when America does so

3. Start beating up on Muslim countries when America does so

2. Beg America to use your bases

1. When it doesn’t, shell your neighbors when visited by senior American officials

Re hamzad afaqui 61

YIPEEEEE!!!!!

This ought to have been the headline of the New York Times, Wash Post, the Times of London and other newspapers, but because of that vast and evil jewish-hindu conspiracy, we the people were robbed of this important fact. Now all of us can sleep better at night because of what this archpriest [what the dickens is an archpriest anyway?] has done.

The good thing for the fortunate man is that being a former Russian Orthodox priest, he really didn`t have to wait one second to grow a beard. And he can accumulate 4 wives on earth now and is entitled to 72 more if he chooses to be a human bomb.

But really, who gives a flying you know what to an individual`s personal choice. Religion is one`s private business and leave it at that.

Another aside: What is so sexual about religion that one has to embrace it? Isn`t convert the right term anyway?

I think a false image has been propagated. I have not settled in New Jersey. See I came on an F1 Visa... which the last time I checked is a `Student` Visa...I have an OPT ... which is called `Optional Practical Training`, which I am utilizing to pay my parents back some of what they spent on my education. My OPT which is for all you educated in the `time of Nehru` is OPTIONAL PRACTICAL TRAINING.. will expire next October... So I will go back to Pakistan and settle down there.

I am neither a resident of New Jersey legally nor a US citizen. I am a Pakistani citizen with an F1 Visa...which let me repeat again for the benefit of those who were educated in the `time of Nehru`, is a STUDENT visa... and unlike those who were educated `in the time of Nehru` I dont plan to illegally stay on in this country.

Shammi,

I am not sure about that please refresh my memory.

-Yasser

`Too bad. Even Bangladesh is willig to follow a parliamentary democracy along the Westminster model like India.`

Ah ,,, pagal pagal hee rahe gaa... dear Idiot who made this statement, Westminister Model of Democracy is NOT an Indian concept. Yes Indian `Lok Sabha` follows the British Westminister Model, undoubtedly and the years that we`ve had Democracy in Pakistan we too have followed the westminister model and indeed it is the model to follow...

However, when we talk of India as a Model, westminister is the last thing we have in mind. Give me a break alright.... your ruling party`s manifesto speaks of Nuclear explosions.,..and of crushing Pakistan and building Hindu temples on former Mosque sites.. these are the `democratic` issues your ruling party uses to get elected in India... this is the model we dont need in Pakistan. We need a democracy rooted in real issues, and real concerns not emotionalism.

Thank God Pakistan was not a Democracy these days... someone told Musharraf `Sir you should defy America and be a Hero`, Musharraf said `I`d rather be an anti-hero and save Pakistan`... had there been Democracy in Pakistan especially like that of our `democratic secular` neighbor, our democratically elected leader would have defied america and would have been a hero.

When laloo prasads and other such corrupt leaders get elected again and again, and when the coalition government of the `secular` state is one with 4 Hindu fundamentalist and terrorist parties ... I doubt that it can be called `Westminister` style Democracy.

Danton once said `People are like Robespierre` .. time to understand what that means Dear Harimau.

Harimau,

Time and again, you have shown yourself to be inferior to me in logic, knowledge and education, so old man dont try to start a new one. Bigots like you are not worth my time.

Two of the greatest facts of the 20th century are that Pakistan and Israel exist and will exist till eternity. Time the Indians and Arabs came to terms with it.

YLH

Yaar I really do hate liberals. I have given my reasons several times. and here it is once again:

http://www.chowk.com/bin/showr.cgi?f=phoodbhoy_mar0301&n=230#reply1

I really do hate such liberals and liberalism.

very funny

When those who are fortunate to be born muslims can learn a lot from those who embraced Islam.As T.Ahmad rightly points out every one must be able to read,learn,and understand the faith and practice it accordingly.Our misfortune is that the so-called leaders cannot even be Imams & lead a prayer congregation & perform funeral ritulas themselves.They themselves pray behind an ``imam``---a profession rather than a calling---and thus de-facto recognising the elevated status of the ``imam``.

Being a muslim is not a part-time,shift-work,or week-end affair.

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Let us say what the Soviet Deputy and former ArchPriest of Orthodox Church has to say about his recently embracing Islam.

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Russian Archpriest Viacheslav Polosin Converts to Islam

Nezavisimaia gazeta--religii, 2 June 1999

Taken from http://www.stetson.edu/

I will say this about BB - her behavior during the current crisis has been reasonable: She has not tried to use the PPP to create a racket in the streets. And her statements have generally been towards bringing people together, within Pakistan and witht the rest of the civilized world. So as ``Citizen BB`` she is fine. Still doesnt mean that she is also competent to be ``Prime Minister BB`` ever again.

The religious parties of Pakistan on the other hand have condemned themselves before the ``silent majority`` in Pakistan, and before the world as well. They have proved themselves unfit to be considered ``Citizen Mullah`` either, and as such should be treated like the common criminals they are (at least their power hungry leaders, the rank and file probably just need to be sent to a proper school so they become fit to earn a living by means other than taking in funds to create mischief for Pakistan and its neighbors).