Whither Democracy?

RE # 307 Studebaker

[why do you parkl your FAT behind in front of the computer]

ullu ke patthay, stop harassing saminashah.

Like I have been saying on other boards, the beacon of light will illuminate the whole universe. For such a huge quantity of light, a LARGE source is in fact needed.

Say Osama wants to flex some nuke muscle.
Now who are the most proximate kafirs to Osama :)?

Saminaji

From the LA Times

A Friend for More Than a War

By BILL RICHARDSON, Bill Richardson was U.S. secretary of Energy and U.S. ambassador to the United Nations

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-000089628nov09.story?coll=la%2Dnews%2Dcomment%2Dopinions

``In short, India is what we want other nations in that part of the world to look like: secular, peaceful, fiercely democratic and respectful of the rule of law inside and outside its borders. India can be our best political, economic and military ally in the region.``

Faiza/ 12 Head uloo

You have about as much knowledge of my physical form as you have comprehension of my spiritual or intellectual thoughts. None. I am not vain enough to dignify your last bit of stupidity, but you obviously have no idea. Probably because YOU are as repulsive on the outside as you are inside. Sorry uloo sahib, the rest of us don`t fit your distorted reality and no one believes your bs. I doubt anyone else is as ``created`` as you are. I think we are all pretty much what we say we are. Except for you. In your cyber fantasies you are a professional? I don`t know any science, medicine, or engineering PH.Ds who are as illiterate and ignorant as you. And understand this uloo sahib, my immediate and extended family are employed as medical doctors, microbiologists, etc., so I know the kind of intellectual requirements needed in these fields. (Note to Chowkies: Uloo Sahib will post messages about ``kitty parties`` next, because simulataneous different realties are overload his tiny brain)

In the last one month you have aped every intellectual idea that I have introduced or discussed from Roy to Freud. You are such a pseudo half wit, that you cannot distinguish discredited Freudian theory to the concepts that are still cornerstones of modern psychology. You take a little piece of info, find an article you don`t even read about the subject, post it and then jump up and down like an enraged baboon.

What is even more disgusting about you is that you are a racist, misogynist, bigot sorry excuse for a human being. Countless Chowkies have had to endure your jahil, half digested, barely understandable spew in fear of reading more of you gutter thana bazi. At least two Chowkies have left because, according to you uloo sahib, they ``misunderstood`` your curses and online sexual harrassment. You are beneath contempt.

Zico did NOT address you, nor did any of the Chowkies I have been conversing with. You were not invited into the conversation. Can you undertand that concept of behavior? Have you noticed that if a Chowkie is not invited into a conversation, they stay out of it? And yet you persist, idiocy in hand, writing hateful, inchoate, badly written, creepy messages. Yes, you are the affliction at Chowk, you are a pus filled, ugly disease, and the more you keep harrassing me or other Chowkies, the more we will work to have you kicked off. God have mercy on the people in your life; I would have smacked some sharam into long ago.

Bong Dongs:

Boss, there is nothing two lefties enjoy more than a rollicking debate (I guess once you exclude the communist regimes :-))

Dude, that is hilarious. Siberia had some great debating teams as well ;)Betrayed Stalinist Tteam Versus the Trotskyites ;)

saminashah:

Dont worry, I dont read posts that are addressed to me if they are scruffy and written messy like his anyway ;-)

I would like to respond to your comments vis-a-vis Naipaul later on as I am short for time right now. I have an alternative viewpoint I would like to give. He is my personal favourite, maybe I could make you change your mind...

;-)

You have a good weekend too.

MastRam,

re: progressiveness, Nobel writers

I appreciate your question. I cannot write about every Nobel prize winner; you will find that some are missing from this list and those are the ones I have not been able to get to. However, I will discuss the ones I have read. A certain theme emerges from the collective work of these writers; R. Tagore, WB Yeats, GB Shaw, Thomas Mann, Eugene O`Neill, Herman Hesse, Andre Gide, William Faulkner, Bertand Russell, Camus, John Steinbeck, Sartre, Sam Beckett, Pablo Neruda, Isaac Bashevis Singer, Czeslaw Milosz, Gabriel Garcia Marquez, Wole Soyinka, J. Brodsky, Naguib Mahfouz, Octavio Paz, Nadine Gordimer, Derek Walcott, Toni Morrison, Seamus Heaney, Wislawa Szymborska, Gunter Grass and Gao XingJian (the only one I haven`t read yet, but whose reworking of Beckett is supposed to be startlingly brilliant) are all writers who have to a greater extent interrogated the various dynamics of their respective governments and societies in favor of forwarding a humane agenda. Some of these writers will known for their incisive discussions on class (Steinbeck, Paz, Neruda, Morrison, Heaney) others on race (Morrison, Yeats, Shaw, Soyinka, Singer, Faulkner), many of colonialism and the alientation and state repression of citizenry (Sartre, Camus, Beckett, Mahfouz, Szymborska, Mann) and finally some wrote breathtakingly lyrical poetry and prose (Heaney, Morrison, Milosz, Paz, Tagore, Yeats, Neruda, Grass). I can`t speak to the philosophers right now (Hesse, Mann, Russell) because I believe to a greater extent all of these writers are, and this post is already too lengthy. However, if you read their work, the collusion of masterful craft, incandescent intelligence and inclusive humanity is unquestionable.

Re: Roy and Chomsky. Writers, regardless of their prior backgrounds have been the needed and necessary critics of their societies. It is part of the job description; the role of the artist is to mirror and interrogate the various contradictory, violent, creative, and ambiguous themes of the times we live in. Roy`s book and essays have proved her chops, and whats more, her ideas have struck a responsive chord in her readers. We could discuss various writers like William Carlos Williams, S. Maugham, Nawal el Saadawi, ee cummings, etc., who were doctors, and sold insurance. Their having day jobs hasn`t detracted from the luminosity or relevance of their work.

Roy and Chomsky tend to make sense and tend to make connections that your average H. Kissinger would balk at admitting. Our political talking heads seem to suffer from a frightening lack of empathy and courage. You cannot make that claim about these writers. In fact, several of these Nobel winning writers have been exiled from their countries for daring to express their visions.

Incidentally, I know of other scientists who have backed Chomsky in his analyses. Sadly, I don`t know if Said will get his due. And, is Roy raking in the bucks? Excellent! Its about time a South Asian woman writer made good and got paid.

Hope this presents my position clearly.

regards

Funny that you people are now cursing at Bukhari, but at the time of partition another Bukhari, another khateeb of the Dehli Mosque, was calling Jinnah `Kafir e Azam` and Congress wallahs were cheering ....

Like I have said before and like Prem repeated a couple of times, the true legacy of the `nationalist` Muslims at the time of partition is neither secular nor progressive.

So I am happy India has come to its senses and has started to decry the element which it once held to be the best of all Muslims.

Re: nasah

``Shut up Stupid Bukhari:``

arrey, let him talk. There are more than enough Indian Muslims in the public eye who have offered to air-drop his a$$ into Kandahar...their voices are being heard just as loudly in India...most sane Indians know the fellow is kookoo...we just have to make sure that the foreign media picks up the other stories too.

Stuka #301

``What is the point of a Hitchens Chomsky debate? They are both liberals``

Boss, there is nothing two lefties enjoy more than a rollicking debate (I guess once you exclude the communist regimes :-))

You are due for a visit to the college street branch of the ``India Coffee House`` in Calcutta (or to the JNU campus if understandably you do not want to visit that benighted city :-)) to observe a good ``adda``/debate in progress.

Shut up Stupid Bukhari:



“``Today I support the jihad,`` or holy war, declared by Taliban leader Mullah Omar, said Imam Syed Ahmed Bukhari, head cleric of Jama Masjid mosque.

``The target of America and its allies is not Afghanistan ... but Islam,`` he told thousands of Muslims who gathered for Friday prayers.````

Bukhari has every right to speak his illiterat backward moronic mind -- but NOT FROM THE PULPIT -- he has NO RIGHT to bring Islam into this monstrosity called Jihadi Terrorism -- HE DOES NOT REPRESENT INDIAN MUSLIMS -- has no right to address this fiery politics from the pulpit.

Bukhari like those September 11 criminals -- is an APOSTATE – he is an enemy of Islam – an ENEMY of Indian Muslims -- who is damaging, maligning, and destroying the integrity, the dignity and the stature of Islam and the Muslims in the eyes of the civilized normal world – once more.

Like those despicable September 11 “Muslim`` killers -- of world citizens who massacred 5 thousand world citizens including hundreds of Indians and Pakistanis in an instant -- Bukhari is a despicable EMBARRASMENT to the Indian Muslims in India and abroad.

America`s fight is NOT against Islam.

It is against the Talibani Terrorists. Period.

hasan

Zico,

Please ignore the 12 Headed interactor who has yet again attempted to barrel into a conversation in which he is uninvited and unwelcome...he has become an affliction of sorts on Chowk, and since you are new I thought I `d let you know. Also, as you`ll note, 99% of his reasoning is utterly loathsome.

Have a good weekend.

What is the point of a Hitchens Chomsky debate? They are both liberals. Ofcourse, Chomsky is also a traitor. Maybe he should be deported to Israel.

For those of you who think the Northern Alliance is any better... here is a composition of the Northern Alliance

The ethnic Tajik Jamiat-I-Islami, led by Masood`s successor General Mohammed Fahim Khan.

In the west central Ghor and Herat provinces, Ismael Khan, a member of Jamiat-I-Islami and former Herat governer is also key figure.

The second main grouping is the ethnic Uzbek Junbish-i-Milli-yi Islami, led by General Abdul Rashid Dostum, a former opponent of General Masood who joined the alliance earlier this year.

The third main element is the ethnic Hazara shia groupings of the Hizb-i Wahdat led by Karim Khalili and Mohaqiq...

-YLH

Also take a look at

http://www.ago.state.co.us/PRESREL/presrl2001/prsrl31.stm (from March 16, 2001)

and

http://web.nps.navy.mil/