When the Lights Hurt the Eyes

re: scout # 367

Now, aren`t you grateful I don`t ``lecture`` you like others you know who :)

Prem #356,

do they call you Deepak Chopra for short? ;)

Scout:

yeah the microscopical things.

Prem #356
Good post!

Its a different matter that human beings are generally idiots who can make a big mess out of any philosophy or theory. Maybe the absolute will have better success with the cockroaches who will follow:).

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Balawaristan National Front`s letter to Indian prime minister



Ref: BN/4-14/1



His Excellency

Mr Atal Behari Vajpayee

Prime Minister of India

New Delhi



Sub: Reminder



Dear Sir,



I have the honour to draw your kind attention towards my earlier petition (Sub: ``Include Gilgit Baltistan in J&K (Jammu and Kashmir) dialogue`` dated December 18, 2000), on the subject cited above, and inform you further about the prevailing anti-people activities of Pakistan in Balawaristan (Pakistan Occupied Gilgit-Baltistan (POGB)). You may kindly recall, I represent the Balawaristan National Front (BNF) on behalf of two million people dwelling in 28,000 sq miles (44,800 sq km) of Gilgit-Baltistan. While Pakistan calls it the Northern Areas, we call it Balawaristan, which is the disputed part of the state of Jammu and Kashmir.

Balawaristan National Front (BNF) has been struggling against the illegal occupation of Pakistan since 1992. The people of Balawaristan are deprived of all their basic human rights, political and economic rights, and are subject to incessant oppression by Pakistan. We suffer untold miseries at the hands of the Pakistan Army and its intelligence agencies, which are deployed in strength to subdue the nationalists of our area. Because the people of Balawaristan have been demonstrating their anger about, and rejection of, the Pakistani occupation, they continue to be targeted and eliminated silently. Your honour can imagine that more than 100 political leaders and workers, including me, are facing state treason charges (Pakistani section 124 A), while there is no single person who faces such charges in your part of J&K instead of their anti-India campaign on the direct instigation of Pakistan.

In the light of the abovementioned atrocities and evil designs of Pakistan, we the people of Balawaristan, do not want to become a votary of Pakistan in any way if plebiscite/referendum is held. We also request your honour to invite the nationalists of Balawaristan and POK (Pakistan Occupied Jammu and Kashmir) to participate in the J&K dialogue to strengthen the Indian stand.

We request your honour to invite the candidates of Balawaristan and POK to fill the 25 vacant seats in the J&K Assembly, which have been laying vacant for the last many years. Therefore, the elected representatives of Balawaristan and POK would represent their areas, and reveal the oppression of Pakistan before the civilised world on the one hand; on the other, India will automatically gain the favour of the people of these areas.

I also appeal to your government to deliver the orders to the concerned authority to ensure the representation of Balawaristan (POGB) and PoK in the J&K Assembly by following the Indian and J&K constitutions.





Abdul Hamid Khan

Chairman

Balawaristan National Front (BNF)



Head Off:-

Majini Mahala, Gilgit, Balawaristan

(Pakistan Occupied Gilgit Baltistan)

Police shut all discos in Indian city

Police have shut all the discos in India`s southern city of Madras.

The city`s police commissioner says he took the action because they were allowing dances contrary to Indian culture.

It is the first blanket ban imposed on discos. At least 10, including four located in five-star hotels, have been ordered shut.

Police Commissioner Muthukaruppan told reporters: ``The owners of the present discotheques were issued licences to run only cultural centres. But they were allowing dances that do not conform to Indian culture.

``All sorts of dances by half-dressed men and women were allowed here. So the city police has decided not to issue any fresh licence to those centres.``

Madras police recently raided a few discotheques and claimed to have found nudity and obscenity.

Muthukaruppan is also banning the sale of condoms that have nude pictures on the cover, which are sold at street corners.

Madras discos have been living under the shadow of a ban for some time. A few months ago a ban was declared then lifted just as suddenly.

Neena Reddy, of Savera Group of Hotels, said: ``This ban is just not fair to the hotel industry. We are trying to generate income during the present slump.``

Story filed: 10:59 Saturday 24th November 2001

Urstruly #352,

easily traumatized aren`t we...

Sigalph235

``I have seen many women in the long lines in front of American missions in those countries. Surprisingly, I haven`t seen too many poor, suffering, American women lining up to immigrate to the subcontinent.``

Have you seen neutron ,proton ?

Have you seen human cell ?

Have you seen Bodh Gaya

Have YOU,seenVishwa Bharti Univ ?

You defenitely have not seen many many things THAT DO EXIST .

So how do you propose your visual testimony ,just a hearsay ,as admissible evidence of your assertion.

Besides whites go to Asia for leisurely life under tropical warm climate

No NRI or immigrant come here for weather ,or easy life .They come prepared for harder life in exchange for Zollar which unfortunately is economically again dispropotionately favour the buying capacity of these ordinary citrizen just trying to get there hard earned money go further.

SO NEXT TIME TO MY CRTICISM OF AMERICA OR OF INDIA ASK ME TO LEAVE THAT COUNTRY ,I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ,JUST AS YOUR WIFE NAGS YOU EVER DAY STILL DOESNT DIVORCE YOU OR VICE VERSA ,LEAVING IS NEITHER THE SOLUTION NOR THE CAUSE OF CRTICISM.WE all have many other priorities than just living in the place of your choice.

Reply Egalitarian-Brahmin # 329

“Firecrackers in Delhi? I remember going to Delhi once during Diwali and save for a few stray booms that were as likely to be gunshots as anything else…”

Perhaps they were gunshots.

“… it was pretty dull….”

What’s dull about gunshots?

“(PS: As a devout Bombay fan by cultural and geographical proximity, I felt I had to say this ;) )”

Look – just because we Delhi people are subtle doesn’t mean…

Drumz,

Drumz, as you must have well figured out by now, none of us Hindus seem to have read the ``vedas`` or whatever else. We are all Pandits now, though I must say Sadna seems to know more about all this stuff than the rest of us :)

Here is my lay person`s understanding - not too deep, just enough to help me guide my own behavior.

There are many conceptions of God floating around. One can look at it/It/him/Him/her/Her as some sort of good thing/man/woman/animal. That will mean that we need to either come up with some sort of anti-God (Satan) to explain evil, or make our good God a bit of a moron, or evil agent who does horrible things to human beings to merely ``test them,`` or derives sadistic pleasure from torturing them.

That is a very popular vision of God, and billions of people are willing to die and kill to defend such an easy to understand, even if pathetic, God.

The other, more complex way to think of God - one propounded by some adherents of all religions, I think - is to follow a far more abstract approach. In the most abstract approach, God is essentially ``property-less,`` one devoid of any traits. Good and evil are NOT traits of God, but of humanity, or Prakriti (material universe). Prakriti can be thought of as a creation (reflection) of God but it not God itself. It also means that good and evil are not always eternal, immutable concepts or categories (unlike God) but change as humanity itself changes in the moving hands of kaal (time).

How do then good and evil arise? They arise when we humans use our inner discrimination (vivek) to deal with the complexity of the Prakriti around us. In other words, things are NOT ``inherently`` good or evil; they become good or evil depending upon how we act upon things, upon their context. That is a key point.

For simplicity, one could visualize two components of human discriminating ability (vivek). We can think of one motivational part arising from the essential divine fire (atma) within us. Since atma is directly part of God (parmatma), this kind of discrimination leads us to act in ways consistent with the sustenance, growth, and sukh (happiness) of mankind/universe/prakriti. This is what we call ``good behavior.`` The other component of our behavior flows from our ignorance of the Ultimate Reality, from our submission to Maya - when we mistake parts for the whole. That is when we fail to see the mankind/universe/prakriti as a reflection of ``God`` and our interlinkage with the entirety of the mankind/universe/prakrit; and act out of narrow considerations, greed, fear, or other such motivations picked up from our surroundings and contexts. To the extent that such behavior does not accord with the preservation of ``God`s creation`` (mankind, prakriti), it is evil. So even though we are constituted by God - the creator/overseer of everything ``good`` and ``bad`` - we retain the freedom AND the responsibility to use our vivek (thinking ability) to do what is good for humanity or bad for it - good or evil.

Again, please realize, evil or good are NOT what some guru has told us or some things written in a book, much less things immutable or eternal. These instructions are at best inadequate GUIDES based on PAST experience. Evil and good are functions of 1. our inner voice that evaluates various options, and 2. the success of prakriti - the entirety of our mankind and nature.

Now, I know this is all neither pretty deep nor complete. Those interested in getting REALLY profound can spend years reading up on various theories and philosophical systems :)

Prem---348

Notwithstanding the common wrong usage of the word & thinking them to have similar or same meanings allow me to clarify.

There is a major difference in the meaning of the two.

Kaafir---The one who refuses,denies,does not see my way,does no agree with me.

It is for this reason that in urdu & farsi poetry an unrequited love(beloved) is called kaafir.It means that despite my pleadings,cajoling,flirting,engaging she just cannot be moved to come my way & spurns me with abandon.

As you can see that there is an eagerness to take the `kaafir` in the fold and befriend him.



Mlechha----on the other hand has the concept of getting rid of,to erase,to cleanse,to not be influenced,to stay isolated.

Incidentily this word resonates in the word Leech(farsi:joank)--the one who can stick & not let go.

And then into our leechur & english lecher or lech.

The parallel word is keech--meaning slime,muddy & then is keechur in hindi.Leech & keech both have undesirable sticking qualities which are not welcome by the highest caste.

dost-mittar---349

Yes it can be used interchangeably as materialism.

Material--from matter,from ma`ddaa(farsi) from maa`yaa(Hindi).

But in the truest sense it is opposite to spiritual.So `/secular` in its literal meaning rather than its present day connotation can still be considered.

Harimau--347

Now this is the nirvaana of human interaction.When we can tease each other soar and

still close ranks when the latest aliens come a-calling.Wished we always did that.

But then the aborginines,lowest in the heap,everywhere are so crushed by these layer upon layer of new arrivals,that their voices are muffled everywhere.

It seems you are one of them otherwise Aryaans are the most long-settled occupants(illegals?).



This tendency to establish an heirarchy based on the arrival date & the resentment to let the newcomers in reflects a very mean streak in our nature.Those who manage to elbow their way into the train compartment try to keep any `intruders` out so that they are not `disturbed` anymore.This evil neuron gets activated by the darwin neuron.Hence,the tremendous need & desire to remind ourselves & be reminded that such behaviour is wrong---This reminding(self or by outsiders) is called religious preaching & experience and as long as this evil streak(the shaitaani force,satanic force) is there the necessity for the good streak (Rehmaani force)would always reign supreme.It is the invoking of this Rehmaani force which is called religion.

DRUMS----44

Allah:

Al:--means The.

Lah:-- means One Who is.

Ka`abaa:- from ka`ab(six)The cube(arabic word--Hexagon in greek).Six sided structure.

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Very interesting about thundaa & tundraa.

I doubt very much though.The use of very hard Th.

Dh. and D. sounds are unique to Rajhastaan & Marvaar.Very aboriginal Indian I believe.

Incidently,tundra is the description of vast barren plains where nothing grows because of perma-frost.Topography & relief(visuals) are used for geography names & only then climate descriptions follow....(sounds kind of `logical` isn`t it?)

The opposite of this would be tathaa(or tattaa) meaning very hot,but it has currency only in Panjabi now(I think).

Otherwise the faarsi Garmm or garmee is used.



Thanks for the brain-scratch.

Scout

My romance with the tooth fairy was really short lived. A senior cousin of mine showed me a culture from my broken tooth, yogurt (we used to call it curd), and his nasal secretion under a microscope, all in one day, at a very tender age. The trauma still haunts me.

Farzana

``I agree about the short attention-span of men, but why do guys remember all the terrible things that were said to them?``

That`s because girls break our hearts so mercilessly and without remorse and yet we care about them without any hope for a reward or appreciation. Here is what Munni Baigum sang:

``Kahin payay naazuk mein mauch aa naa jayay
is dil-e-sakht jaan ko kuchalte kuchalte``

That is the greatest worry on our minds.

``Why do they remember every past foible on a woman’s part?``

I admit; some of us are really kum zarf.

``Why do they notice the guy in the street giving her a once-over but not her new hair-style? ``

I think ladies should take pride in that trait of men. Men do it to assess the competition. Ladies should not worry about it because men are just acting on Allama Iqbal`s advise:

Shasheer-o-SanaN awal,
Taoos-o-Rabab aakhir.

See it`s all about you.

``So you think I am a “confrontation-junkie”? How mean! I have liked this board a great deal, but whatever I say at a given time seems right to me``.

Hey I am a fellow junkie as well and I also like to think ``that whatever I say at a given time seems right to me``.


``I recall asking a relative to put down some wish of mine; I have always been too lazy for such things myself. In fact, I find it difficult to ask for anything at a place of worship, if ever I vast one, usually on my travels. Perhaps an interesting and safe journey is all I want. I guess that about encompasses life…``

I often forget my wish list when I pray. I am pretty sure that God doesn`t like my short attention span either.

DRUMZ #321
DRUMZ, good questions.

``I know u said dont ask about the absolute, but I gotta.``

You definately gotta, I just meant I maynot know the answers :).

``Does this not suggest that the absolute is responsible for the `inherent nature of things.```

Yes, the theory says the absolute is responsible for creating the `inherent nature of things` and the laws by which it operates.

`` By this is mean, not simply constructing them, but making them the WAY they are (does the absolute also not dileneate between good and bad?)``

Yes, the theory says he has made them the way they are as his manifestation. All he says is, to kindly realise that 1. He is not bound by them or defined by them 2. You, a creature of nature, also carry the Absolute in your core and need not bound by them 3. Everything around you is also carrying a core of the Absolute under its inherent nature.


`` What do you think the relationship is then? does our finite existence not have absolute consequences (uniting with the 1)?``

Our finite existence does have consequences for us, good or bad, depending on what we do, the worst consequences is being bound further to finite existence, possibly hindering progress toward the absolute.

The theory says, a wise person realises he cannot suppress or deny the interplay of inherent nature within himself or around him, he just needs to realise there is more to himself than this interplay, good or bad and rise above it.