Here Are the Muslim Feminist Voices, Mr. Rushdie!

Harimou with saffron-lingum;

{{(Note to Editors: I know it is Ramzan and you shouldn`t say these bad words but, what the heck, if the brain-dead psycho can say it, I can repeat it.]}}

``Boohoo! mommy mommy Editors they are letting brain-dead psychoshrinker call me a m-ker; so I want the right to be vulgar too...waaaah...``

Quit your whining & call me every vulgar name you want...dont make excuses...I welcome them. Every vulgar insult you throw at me warms the cockles of my heart. Think about it, dufus, if Satan insults me; should I feel hurt? I`ve been trying to explain that to you in every which way I can-- but your truely retard cos you cant/wont understand that concept.

At least Saxena ,whose ``friendship`` with me is based upon pure, unadulterated hatred, comes up with some intelligent & witty counterattacks. OTOH your posts are all whine. whine.. whine...

#35

sigalph235

TO MOHAJIR

``[If you don`t like the Islamisation of Pakistan, the manly thing would be to try to correct that, not claim that `others` are like Pakistan too.]``

,Mohajir is neither muslim nor Pakistani .Why you accuse him of being West Paki????

re ali1 # 58

Sir, were you taught that kind of language at home or in your madrasa?

I am curious because most Pakistanis and Indians, their politics notwithstanding, tend to have very polished language, refined choice of words, and a cultured demeanor. You obviously are a rank exception.

Studebaker/15-head #various
Better let the author know, its not US policy or Islamists or anyone in the blessed Muslim world, its the unfortunate sex-workers of Kamathipura who are responsible for the US and Rushdie ignoring Muslim feminists voices. Down with these usurpers of Muslim destiny!

sadna

``The concerned minister in Musharraf`s government is a woman and she has said she doesnot think there is anything wrong in the current laws. Is she right ? ``

........ now that is a silly question if i ever heard one ......these are not man made laws that the honorable minister, or any good sister-in-deen, can challenge or change ... these are laws ordained by god and delivered by angels; they have been good since time immemorial and shall remain unchanged till the day of reckoning .... if they were good enough for sarah and hagar and ayesha and mary the copt, they should be good enough for demireps like asma jehangir .....

........ no one, not even brave souls like asma jehangir, can stand up to divine tyranny ......indeed, or is it verily, we are doomed

re: harimau #53

steeeerike 3! good one!

Reply # 62 shima

[Don`t you think, there is an inherent problem with our creator?]

Shimaji, read ``The origin of species`` by Charles Darwin, whom I consider a great benefector of mankind. Only $9.99

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0517123207/qid=1006637199/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_15_1/002-6923736-3340817

chowk staff

My evil twin in post #71 is using my handle again. You guys need to quickly shore up the obvious breaches of privacy here. I may not be the only one in this situation.

Ref Twisted-Dick-with-a-mind-to-match-it #: 70

[Quit your whining & call me every vulgar name you want...dont make excuses...I welcome them.]

I did too; the Editors refused to post them, you idiot. And the fact is, I only used the exact same words you used. Thus, the Editors are Mulaah Omar to your Osama bin Laden. I said that too in a post.

sigalph & the rest of the ``refined`` club,

{{I am curious because most Pakistanis and Indians, their politics notwithstanding, tend to have very polished language, refined choice of words, and a cultured demeanor. You obviously are a rank exception.}}

Yeah yeah yeah...but exceptions like me stand with brother ali1 about our right to be vulgar. If you dont like vulgarity; then prudishness is your choice & you have to put up with us. Do you guys, with all your refined manners & language, walk around in this world with your eyes & ears shut?! If it sounds so ghastly to you, just scroll past our messages.

(But then would will be deprived of the choice our colorful posts; {esp my incredible wit & humility!:)}---er; your problem-not ours:)

Who made Chowk a classroom, church, mosque, temple, office etc anyways?! why should we be FORCED to talk & behave a certain way?! I view Chowk EXACTLY the way the artist painted it-- except in one respect--that kids should not/& do not come come here. OK, some of the guys here behave like kids,idiots,bigots, lalukethi..whatever--but their/our presence here is just as important because it is a more realistic cross section of society.

Besides it would be a frightfully BORING place if the Editors put up a sign, next to that cute picture of Chowk:--``Exclusive Club for the Refined, Polished, Well Mannered, Prudish Only``.

Thats what the British did when they put up signs at their Exclusive Clubs in the ``jewel of the crown`` --``For Europeans & Their Guests Only`` or ``Dogs & Indians not allowed``. Huh..we desis were unsophisticated, ill-mannered village idiots, you know..

Ooof!..man.. that felt good!! I`ve never felt so good since I incited my KG class to refuse to go to singing class because we wanted to play in the sandbox some more. Man, that was some civil rights protest we had that day! 15 crying & screaming kids REFUSING to sing stupid nursery rhymes because we`d rather throw sand in each others` eyes.

Of course some killjoy nun has to come along & put her foot down, twist my ears & make me kneel down in front of the class & make me lead the singing...

Somehow I`m getting that same feeling now... that Sister Samina, Father tahmed & Mother Teresa scout are going to grab my ears & make me kneel down....:)

PFSPRRRTTT!!---THAT was my best raspberry! you..you..refined so `an so s... you:))

ALL:

I hope those who admire George Bernard Shaw would love to read the complete text.

A Shavian and a Theologian

An Illuminating Conversation between George Bernard Shaw

and His Eminence Mohammad Abdul Aleem Siddiqui, al Qaderi



His Eminence Maulana Mohammed Abdul Aleem Siddiqui, al-Qaderi, the eminent Muslim divine, who was on a visit to Mombassa, [Kenya, Africa] interviewed George Bernard Shaw, the world-renowned Irish savant, who was passing through on his way to South Africa on a holiday. The Union Castle Liner, Linlithgow, by which he was travelling, stopped for three days at the Island, and George Bernard Shaw was a guest of the Resident Magistrate of Mombassa, a distant relative whom he had never met before. When His Eminence arrived at the bungalow of the Magistrate, on Wednesday morning, the 17th of April 1935, George Bernard Shaw at once came out to receive him.

George Bernard Shaw, a well-built, medium statured erect and imposing figure, a gentleman of noble mien, was smiling . . . not the smile of the skeptic that flickers round the corners of the lips, but one of real welcome suffused his face, and there was nothing Shavian [an admirer or devotee of G.B. Shaw] about him, if the phonetic pun be permissible, for even his chin was not shaved, and a long flowing beard, on the contrary, imparted a serene dignity to his falsely represented Freudian features. Full of vim and vigour, if it were not for the grey colour of his hair, beard and eyebrows, he could scarcely be credited with the four score years, which strange to say, he carried with almost youthful buoyancy.

As His Eminence, a venerable figure in his dignified Arabic robes, comparatively very young, for he was only forty-three, although his grey hair due to chronic catarrh and unceasingly intense mental strain made him look much older, stepped out of the car, there was a hearty exchange of greetings, after which His Eminence expressed his great pleasure at meeting him. The Grand Old Man immediately rejoined that having heard about his missionary exploits and his novel way of preaching Islam, he himself was eager to know him, and it was indeed a very happy coincidence that they had met there that day.

The conversation which followed was very interesting, though devoid of Shavian shafts and sarcasm, perhaps because the usual roles of interviews with George Bernard Shaw were reversed in this case: for it was George Bernard Shaw who asked the question of the interviewer, and listened attentively to the prompt lucid and informative replies of His Eminence. As an indirect account the lively discussion might rob it of its personal touch, it is preferable that the stalwarts are made to speak for themselves.



GEORGE BERNARD SHAW: I regret, I was not able, on account of a previous engagement, to attend your lecture last night, although I was very keen on doing so. You spoke on Philosophy of Peace, but as a Muslim, it would have been more appropriate if you had delivered a lecture on the Philosophy of War, for Islam doubtless, was spread at the point of the sword.

[The Discussion]]

[ http://muslim-canada.org/shavian.htm]

GEORGE BERNARD SHAW: There is no doubt that your way of presenting the Islamic teachings is very fascinating, but does the orthodox section of Muslims agree with you?

HIS EMINENCE: To be candid, I myself am strictly orthodox and identify myself with that section which refuses to countenance the slightest alteration in the teachings of Islam. The words of the Tradition of our Prophet that ``He who interprets the Qur`an according to his own opinion should be prepared to accommodate himself in hell`` are indelibly impressed on my mind. Let alone the fundamental principles, I am one of those who try to act in conformity with the precepts of the least significance. For instance, my companion, Mr. Ali Mohammed Jaffer, who is deputising for the President of the local Muslim Association, had taken a photographer with him as he proposed to have a picture of our meeting, but I refused point blank to accede to his request and sent back the photographer. Pictures have led to idol-worship, and a photograph that might be taken today as a mere memento, might at some future date become an object of adoration to some over-zealous admirers who might be carried away by misconceived fervour. Islam, has, therefore, disallowed this practice, and I submit to its veto, and never give permission to take my picture. But if anyone takes it without my consent, well, the responsibility is his. I have said all this so that you may be able to gauge the extent to which I must be orthodox where the main principles of Islam are concerned, when I am so punctilious regarding such a point of detail which in the opinion of some modern Muslims is permissible.

GEORGE BERNARD SHAW: I have been very pleased to make your acquaintance, and it will be the most precious of all memories of this trip of mine.

(Bidding farewell to each other, His Eminence wishing George Bernard Shaw a bonvoyage, they parted and George Bernard Shaw was seen standing on the verandah waving his hand till the car went out ofsight.)

3rd May 1935.

The writer of this work is well known to me, and the reader can be sure the learned writer has caught the true atmosphere. His Eminence Mohammed Abdul Aleem Siddiqui, is also well known to me and I can well imagine the scene,when Shaw from being the scoffer came gradually to be infected with the dynamic energy and sincerityof purpose of the famous Muslim divine. The onlything I wishto complain about is the shortness of the interview. But I suppose one cannot expect anything that is reallygood in very large doses in this world.



M.T. Akbar,K.C.,B.A.,L.L.B.

Senior Puisne Justice,

Supreme Court-Colombo

Author is more upset with *Mr. Rushdie! * than with fundamentalists who have brought shame to her. Totally pathetic.

Reply #: 75

sadna

Better let the author know, its not US policy or Islamists or anyone in the blessed Muslim world, its the unfortunate sex-workers of Kamathipura who are responsible for the US and Rushdie ignoring Muslim feminists voices. Down with these usurpers of Muslim destiny!

``who are responsible for the US and Rushdie ignoring Muslim feminists voices. ``]]

Both u.s. & Rushdie are Worse than those unfortunate victim of Hinduism devdasni system.I dont blame or condemn victim like Rushdie & U.s WHO ARE BOTH GREATEST WHORE WHO DONT HESITATE TO SELL THERE MOTHER BEFORE ELECTION OR PUBLICATION OF THERE BOOK,

To even think RUshdie wants anybodies welfare than himself ,havent seen the mutant creeps like him are bred in petri dish of scorned for not being good enough in there own country & NOT SATISFIED WITH WHATEVER HE ,& NAIPAUL HAVE ACHIEVED IN THE WEST.For deep down in there heart they know true recognition comes from your own kind & unless you do that you will be thirsty phantom who will die unsatified ,wreathing in pain of anononmity among so much fame, popularity & in crowd yet lonely.

NOW YOU GO AND ASK YOUR P.M. RSS SHYAMSEVAK ,that you had been spreading tolerence secularism & goodioe goodie hindu muslim bhai bhai ??What else remains to see a hindutva government .BANNING MOHOMMED FROM INDIA .



http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/default.asp



SUNDAY SPECIALS

Has the `Talibanisation` of education begun?

SAKINA YUSUF KHAN & SUJATA DUTTA SACHDEVA

TIMES NEWS NETWORK



s the government `Talibanising` education? The PM doesn`t think so. Endorsing the changes made in the history text-books he said on Saturday: ``If history is one-sided, we should change it.``

As the controversy about deleting certain portions from textbooks rages on and the issue is hotly debated in Parliament, a historic battle threatens to erupt between the NCERT, the historians, the `nationalists`, the `communists`...

The Sunday Times on the different voices...

HISTORIAN ANGST

Arjun Dev: The CBSE decision is incomprehensible and unprecedented. Such things can only happen in fascist regimes. In any case, how are they going to ensure the `objectionable` portions are not discussed.

Are they going to recruit an educational police force and post them in classrooms. As Arjun Singh rightly pointed out in the Rajya Sabha it amounts to the Talibanisation of education.

The aim of education is to promote open-mindedness and rational thinking. But the NCERT obviously thinks otherwise and is opposed to free discussion. Even if it wanted to review these books it should have been done by a panel of reputed historians.

R S Sharma: This is the second attack on my book. The first was in January 2001 when they dropped portions from my book relating to Jainism. The NCERT entered into an agreement with me in 1980 according to which no adaptation or modification can be made in the book without the approval of the author.

They have violated the agreement. But it`s not unexpected from NCERT — an organisation whose general policy is that anything which questions the historical authenticity of Hindu gods and Hindu values will not be tolerated. Unfortunately it does not know that history is about facts, not suppressions and beliefs.

Romila Thapar: I came to know about the circular from media reports. The CBSE or NCERT did not inform me. If there is anything objectionable in a book, you have to take the author`s permission to make changes.

In the past too, when state education agencies wished to make changes, the agreement was that the author had to be informed before making any changes and he has agree with the changes.

None of that happened this time. These books are being used for nearly 35 years, if something was objectionable, it would have come up earlier. The action was politically motivated. It is extremely dangerous that the CBSE should send a directive to schools that a particular subject is not to be discussed in class.

Bipin Chandra: A communal interpretation of history is the basis of the RSS`s ideology. Communalism - minority as well as majority - is all about creating fear of domination by the other.

How does a communalist party like the RSS go about creating this fear in 80 per cent of the population? The easiest way is to create the bogey of Muslim domination. So whatever good happened in history was during the ancient period and the Muslim period was one in which all this greatness was undermined — this is what they want taught in schools.

It is a sinister effort to communalise young minds. The NCERT wants history textbooks to be written by nationalist historians. I`m a nationalist historian in my own right but if that should prompt me to say that we created the atom bomb, sorry, I`m not nationalist enough.

Harbans Mukhia: It is criminal to tamper with any discipline like this. History cannot be written as fiction for it is all about facts. Clearly, this is part of the Hindutva agenda.

NCERT`S STAND

JS Rajput: Let me make it clear that the circular was not issued by the NCERT but by the CBSE. Yes, they issued it based on a suggestion made by us that certain `objectionable` portions from History textbooks be deleted.

Even before I became the director in 1999, several court cases were going on on these issues. We had received many complaints from bodies like the Gurudwara Prabandhak Committee, Jain associations etc.

Then the Delhi Assembly passed a resolution asking for certain deletions in History course books. I consulted a large number of historians before taking action. And no, I did not think it necessary to consult these four historians as they are not the only historians in India. Also, since I`m not a historian I cannot comment on the content

Scout 66#

A funny thing, balance. Pre September 11, all the news on Afghanistan had to do with the cruelty and oppressiveness of the Taliban regime. No one criticised the media then for being tendentious in its coverage. In fact, they were often chided for not caring enough. Now of course, it`s a different story.

Anyway, as they say in journalism, if it bleeds, it leads. ``Positive``, inspirational stories are way down the order. If that`s unbalanced, well it`s nothing new.

There was a time when Mr. Rushdi as a iconoclast leftist -- used to go overboard in blaming every Third world woe on ``American Imperialism``.

NOW like a ``naya dhobie jo kupRey pur bahut kalap deta hai`` -- his newly aquired US citizenship compels him to go again overboard in putting EXCLUSIVE blame on Islam and Islamists -- for 9/11 horrendous act of terrorism.

Between Satanic Verses and the NYT column Mr. Rushdie has yet to learn to swim in the ``main stream`` of dispassionate subdued poised multiperspective writing.