Here Are the Muslim Feminist Voices, Mr. Rushdie!

Tibor

“Hamzad,

Churches aren`t empty in America; infact, America is one of the more religious nutty nations.”

..i was reading an article recently which stated that the percentage of americans that believed in God (

hamidm #76

``...now that is a silly question if i ever heard one ......these are not man made laws that the honorable minister, or any good sister-in-deen, can challenge or change ... these are laws ordained by god and delivered by angels; they have been good since time immemorial and shall remain unchanged till the day of reckoning ....``

With the devil`s forked tongue, I must point out that daisy-cutters seem to have pushed up the day of reckoning a bit for some people and the `angels on white horses` observed pulling their weight during the earlier jihad have gone AWOL. And it is being suggested by other satanic sources that Mullah Omar may be a fictitious character after all.

CUB NIAZI IN AFGHANISTAN,

The paki idea of strategic deapth is finding an escape routr when the troops are over run. It has been confirmed now that the pak troops trapped in kunduz was led by one brigadier niazi, alleged to be the son of the famous tiger niazi who surrendered the troops in bangladesh.

Both father and son appear not to have heard of the strategic deapth idea, or may be surreder routines runs in the familiy.

That was then & this is now.

Afghan farmers resume planting poppies for heroin



With Taliban gone, so is enforcement of poppy ban

SORKHUD, Afghanistan, Nov. 24 — Gul Haidar smiled as he sifted some seeds through his fingers, happy he had planted the one crop that should ensure his family’s welfare next year — opium poppies. In pencil-thin, spiraling furrows dug with a homemade plow pulled by oxen, Haidar has sown the tiny, pale specks that will yield flowers in four months. When the petals fall, buyers will come for the seed pods and its opium resin.

THE PASHTO-speaking farmer expects to triple what he had made from the winter wheat he had planted the last three seasons.

With the Taliban no longer around to enforce a three-year ban on poppy-growing, hundreds of farmers near the eastern city of Jalalabad — their appetite for profit sharpened by years of drought and hardship — have resumed planting what they call “narcotic.”

“We don’t have much water, so with narcotic we make more money to offset the problem of the drought,” Haidar said. “If you water twice a year, narcotic will do very well, but with wheat, you have to water nine times.”



SEEDS HIDDEN NO MORE

Miles of flat fields surround Jalalabad, with barren desert mountains visible in the distance. Hundreds of miles of irrigation canals funnel runoff from mountain springs and creeks onto the fields, but after three years without rain, water is precious.

The 75-year-old Haidar, who lives in a mud house, has rented his 750 acres from a wealthy Afghan for the past half-century.

Before the Taliban ban, he grew poppies almost exclusively. During the past three years, he switched to wheat rather than risk imprisonment. But Haidar had stashed a bag of poppy seeds — and brought them out when the Taliban fled Jalalabad this month, in time for planting season.

Now he has sown 250 acres of poppies, which he said will yield 650 pounds of opium.

“It will be just enough to live,” Haidar said. “I have a family of 10, so I work just to live, eat and for clothes.”

Afghanistan was once the world’s largest opium producer, enough to supply 75 percent of the world’s heroin, according to the U.N. Drug Control Program.

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Farmers produced 3,611 tons from the 1999 planting. But after a ruthless Taliban crackdown, the crop in 2000 dropped to 204 tons, the agency said in July.

Most of the opium is exported and is rarely used locally.



SENT TO PAKISTAN

Mujahed, a 42-year-old farmer who uses only one name, said buyers give him an advance so that he can buy fertilizer and survive until the crop comes in. They return during the annual harvest to buy his seed pods and take the opium to Pakistan, where, he says, “they make the stuff that is very bad.”

“But we don’t know about the advantages or disadvantages for other people,” Mujahed said. “I don’t know what they do with it. ... For me, there are a lot of advantages over wheat.”

The U.N. drug program spent years working with the Taliban and aid agencies to discourage poppy growing and encourage wheat production. But farmers outside Jalalabad said they never saw any of the aid money that was funneled through the Taliban.

The Westerners, when they want to help us, they should put the aid in our hands, not give it to the leaders,” Mujahed said, adding that he would stop growing poppies if given an alternative.

But Kasim, a 65-year-old white bearded farmer, was less sympathetic.

Our life is really very difficult, because we can’t grow wheat and still survive,” he said. “We need to grow narcotic, even if it is not fair to the rest of the world.”

God-Less America!

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Veterans of the previous war for oil in the mid east are still struggling with the after effects of vaccinations they were required to undergo; vaccinations which have been found to have included at least one drug which has not passed FDA approval for use on humans.

Think that government holding that needle has any respect for your life and well-being?

The following list comes from declassified documents, news reports, videos, the National Archives, and from the final report of the Advisory Committee on Human Radiation Experiments. http://www.seas.gwu.edu/nsarchive/radiation/

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1900:

A U.S. doctor doing research in the Philippines infected a number of prisoners with the Plague. He continued his research by inducing Beriberi in another 29 prisoners. The experiments resulted in fatalities.

1907:

Indiana passed the world`s first law authorizing the state to force the sterilization of those it deemed unfit to reproduce. In Germany, Adolf Hitler was 10 years old.

1915:

A doctor in Mississippi produced Pellagra in twelve Mississippi inmates in an attempt to discover a cure for the disease.

1927:

Carrie Buck of Charlottesville was legally sterilized against her will at the Virginia Colony Home for the Mentally Infirm. Carrie Buck was the mentally normal daughter of a mentally retarded mother, but under the Virginia law, she was declared potentially capable of having a ``less than normal child`` after having one normal child (by rape) and was forcibly sterilized.

The settlement of Poe v. Lynchburg Training School and Hospital (same institution as above using a different name) in 1981 brought to an end the Virginia law. It is estimated that as many as 10,000 perfectly normal women were forcibly sterilized for ``legal`` reasons including alcoholism, prostitution, and criminal behavior in general.

1931:

The Puerto Rican Cancer Experiment was undertaken by Dr. Cornelius Rhoads. Under the auspices of the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Investigations, Rhoads purposely infected his subjects with cancer cells. Thirteen of the subjects died. When the experiment was uncovered, and in spite of Rhoads` written opinions that the Puerto Rican population should be completely eradicated, Rhoads went on to establish the U.S. Army Biological Warfare facilities in Maryland, Utah, and Panama. He later was named to the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission and was at the heart of the recently revealed radiation experiments on prisoners, hospital patients, and soldiers (these are covered in the ACHE report. http://www.seas.gwu.edu/nsarchive/radiation/)

1930s:

Seventeen U.S. states had laws permitting forced sterilization. German officials cited those United States laws as precedent for the forced sterilization of people under Nazi rule.

1932:

The Tuskegee Syphilus Study began. Two hundred poor black men with syphilis began a long term experiment in which those men were to be studied. They were never told of their illness, and treatment was denied them even AFTER the availability of a cure made the stody`s objectives worthless. As many as 100 of the original 200 died as a direct or indirect result of the illness. The wives and children of the subjects also suffered as a result of the disease. (The government office supervising the study was the predecessor to today`s Centers for Disease Control (CDC)).

1932:

Margaret Sanger. the founder of Planned Parenthood, wrote in ``A Plan For Peace`` that her aims were, ``To give certain dysgenic groups in our population their choice of segregation [concentration camps] or sterilization``. Between 2000-4000 forced sterlizations per year were taking place in the United States. The following year, when Ernst Rudin established the Nazi system for forced sterilization of those it deemed unfit to reproduce, Rassenhygiene (Race hygiene), he chose as his inspiration and model the writings of William H. Tucker, associate professor of psychology at Rutgers University, Camden, New Jersey, USA. When Rudin`s forced sterilization of Jews by irradiation with X-rays was revealed, Margaret Sanger refused to denounce him.

1932:

Veterens from WW1, made homeless by the stock market crash of 1929, built a tent city near Washington D.C. while they tried to collect on a promised combat bonus which the government has failed to pay (a situation the US troops in Bosnia can identify with). Rather than pay the money, the government ordered US Cavalry to destroy the tent city. The troops attacked the camp on horseback with drawn sabers, against unarmed men, woman, & children.

If anyone doubts that our government would use it`s own weapons against it`s own troops, gaze upon this atrocity. These were not deserters. They were honorable soldiers, who had won the World War, been refused their promised pay, made homeless by the government`s economic policies, then cut down.

1934:

Leon Whitley, of the American Eugenics Society, received a letter requesting a copy of her recent book,``The Case for Sterilization``. She mailed the book off, and soon after received a personal letter of praise and gratitude from the recipient, Adolf Hitler.

In his letter of thanks for American writer Madison Grant, Hitler declares Grant`s book,``The Great Race`` to be his ``bible``.

1940`s:

In a crash program to develop new drugs to fight Malaria during World War II, doctors in the Chicago area infected nearly 400 prisoners with the disease. Although the Chicago inmates were given general information that they were helping with the war effort, they were not provided adequate information in accordance with the later standards set by the Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal. Nazi doctors on trial at Nuremberg cited the Chicago studies as precedents to defend their own behavior in aiding the German war effort.

February 1946

Operation Crossroads. The occupants of Bikini Atoll were told they must leave their island home for a ``short while`` during which atomic bombs are tested by blowing up captured Japanese and German naval vessels filled with livestock. The Bikinians are never allowed to return, although the area is now operated as a sport diving attraction.

1946-1974:

The Atomic Energy Commission authorized a series of experiments in which radioactive materials are given to individuals in many cases without being informed they were the subject of an experiment, and in some cases without any expectation of a positive benefit to the subjects, who were selected from vulnerable populations such as the poor, elderly, and mentally retarded children (who were fed radioactive oatmeal without the consent of their parents), and also from students at UC-San Fransisco. In 1993, the experiments were uncovered and made public. In 1996, the United States settled with the survivors for 4.9 million dollars.

Government pays $4.8 million for experiments [by: Verena Dobnik - Associated Press, 11-20-96 NEW YORK -- The U.S. government will pay $4.8 million for injecting 12 human guinea pigs with uranium and plutonium without their knowledge as part of a Cold War-era radiation experiment. ``Never again,`` Energy Secretary Hazel O`Leary said in announcing the settlement Tuesday. ``Never again should tests be performed on human beings.`` O`Leary said $400,000 apiece will go to the families of the 11 victims who are now dead, and a women still living in upstate New York. Doctors are not sure whether ant of the 11 deaths were directly related to the experiments. ``This settlement goes to the very heart of the moral accountability the government owes its citizens,`` the outgoing energy secretary said at a meeting of the American Public Health Association. Lawyers for the plaintiffs said the government has yet to compensate about 20,000 other people used for biochemical experiments in the 1940s, `50s and `60s . The 12 victims in the settlement were injected during the 1940s -- 11 with plutonium, and one with uranium -- to see how the human body would react to an atomic bombing. The tests sprang from efforts to develop atomic weapons. At the time, scientists claimed that the people were terminally ill anyway and would not survive 10 years. But a number of them lived longer, and the plutonium is said to have caused urinary tract infections and painful osteoporosis, or thinning of the bones. Autopsies on the patients injected with plutonium revealed bones ``that looked like Swiss cheese,`` said Raymond Heslin, a lawyer for the plaintiffs. Nine of the victims received the injections at Strong Memorial Hospital in Rochester (N.Y.) as part of research project conducted by the University of Rochester and the U.S. government. The scientists performing the experiments ``had a code word for plutonium in medical records, so people couldn`t figure out that these people were injected,`` said a lawyer for the plaintiffs, Leonard Marks. ``It was a rotten thing to do,`` said Luther Schultz, whose mother, Eda Schultz Charlton, was injected in 1945 at Strong Memorial. Charlton received a dose of radiation 43 times the amount an average person absorbs in a lifetime, but she lived another 38 years to age 85. ``If people had been notified and knew what they were doing, it would be a different thing,`` Schultz said. ``But this was just picking people put and shooting poison into them -- I`m pretty bitter about that.`` The only survivor among the 12 is Mary Jean Connell, who is now in her 70s and lives near Buffalo. Her lawyer said she had no comment. The 12 were among thousands of people used in experiments by the U.S. government between 1944 and 1974. Last year, President Clinton appointed a panel that is now drafting a report on human radiation experiments to be released within two months. The panel`s experts have found that it was not uncommon for doctors to use patients as test subjects without their knowledge in the 1940s. ``We are grateful to the families for the tough lessons they have taught us about trust, responsibility and accountability between the government and the people,`` said O`Leary, who made the issue a centerpiece of her tenure. In addition to the 12 cases, another plutonium claim was settled last summer and a few other such cases are still being negotiated.

1950:

The U.S. Navy sprayed a cloud of bacteria over San Francisco. The Navy claimed that the bacteria were harmless, and used only to track a simulated attack, but many San Francisco residents became ill with pneumonia-like symptoms, and one is known to have died.

1950 - 1953:

An array of germ warfare weapons was allegedly used against North Korea. Accounts claim that there were releases of feathers infected with anthrax, fleas and mosquitoes dosed with Plague and Yellow Fever, and rodents infected with a variety of diseases. These were precisely the same techniques developed by Japan scientists during WW2. Japansee biowar scientists were granted immunity from prosecution in exchange for the results of that research. The Eisenhower administration later pressed Sedition Charges against three Americans who published reports of these activities. However, none of those charged were convicted.

October 1951

Operation Buster Jangle - Nevada. An atomic bomb was detonated with troops in trenches just 5 miles away as an exercise designed to see how well troops could secure a breach opened in enemy lines with a tactical nuclear weapon. The only special protection given to troops were sunglasses, the origin of the ``Rayban`` trademark. The troops spent the rest of their lives fighting assorted cancers and leukemias. The US Congress voted itself not financially liable for their illnesses.

March 1953

Operation Upshot/Knothole - Navada tests that exposed 18,000 personel to high levels of radiation resulting in various cancers later in life. Downwind exposures for local civilian residents outside the test area are far worse, triggering an epidemic of thyroid cancers in some 28,000 people leading to 1400 deaths. Again, the US Congress voted itself not financially liable for their illnesses.

February 1954

Operation Castle - testing of H-bombs at Bikini Atoll. Despite a last minute change in wind direction, the government refused to postpone one of the H-bomb tests, which produced a far greater yield than expected. The wind born radiation resulted in the worst radiation disaster in US history by poisoning several Marshall Islands and forcing their evacuation. In addition, a Japanese fishing vessel, the Daigo Fukuryu Maru was hit with radioactive fallout. The crew of 23 came down with radiation sickness, and one man died. Worse, the US government failed to inform the Japanese of what had happened and the radioactive cargo of fish was sold in Japanese markets, causing an epidemic of health problems.

1952 - 1953:

In another series of experiments, the U.S. military released clouds of ``harmless`` gases over six (6) U.S. and Canadian cities to observe the potential for similar releases under chemical and germ warfare scenarios. A follow-up report by the military noted the occurrence of respiratory problems in the unwitting civilian populations.

1955:

The Tampa Bay area of Florida experienced a sharp rise in Whooping Cough cases, including 12 deaths, after a CIA test where a bacteria withdrawn from the Army`s Chemical and Biological Warfare arsenal was released into the environment. Details of the test are still classified.

1956 - 1958:

In Savannah, Georgia and Avon Park, Florida, the Army carried out field tests in which mosquitoes were released into residential neighborhoods from both ground level and from aircraft. Many people were swarmed by Mosquitoes, and fell ill, some even died. After each test, U.S. Army personnel posing as public health officials photographed and tested the victims. It is theorized that the mosquitoes were infected with a strain of Yellow Fever. However, details of the testing remain classified.

May - October 1957

Operation Plumb Bob atomic tests exposes civilians to radiation.

1965:

In a three year study, 70 volunteer prisoners at the Holmesburg State Prison in Philadelphia were subjected to tests of dioxin, the highly toxic chemical contaminant in Agent Orange. Lesions which the men developed were not treated and remained for up to seven months. None of the subjects was informed that they would later be studied for the development of cancer. This was the second such experiment which Dow Chemical undertook on ``volunteers`` who did not receive the information which the world proclaimed was necessary for ``informed consent`` at Nuremberg.

Note: Dow/Corning manufactured and sold artificial breast implants even after the health risks of the implants became known. The massive class action lawsuit was only recently settled.

1966:

The U.S. Army dispensed a bacillus, Serratia marcescens, throughout the New York City subway system. Materials available on the incident noted the Army`s justification for the experiment was the fact that there are many subways in the (former) Soviet Union, Europe, and South America. Serratia marcescens was banned in 1970 as being too hazardous to use on ``friendly`` populations.

1968 - 1969:

The CIA experimented with the possibility of poisoning drinking water by injecting a chemical substance into the water supply of the Food And Drug Administration in Washington, D.C. There were no harmful effects noted from this experiment. However, none of the human subjects in the building were ever asked for their permission, nor was anyone provided with information on the nature or effects of the chemical used.

1969:

On June 9, 1969, Dr. D.M. McArtor, then Deputy Director of Research and Technology for the Department of Defense, appeared before the House Subcommittee on Appropriations to request funding for a project to produce a synthetic biological agent for which humans have not yet acquired a natural immunity. Dr. McArtor asked for $10 million dollars to produce this agent over the next 5-10 years. The Congressional Record reveals that according to the plan for the development of this germ agent, the most important characteristic of the new disease would be ``that it might be refractory [resistant] to the immunological and therapeutic processes upon which we depend to maintain our relative freedom from infectious disease``. AIDS first appeared as a public health risk ten years later, appearing first in a population of gay men who had been subjects in a test of a new Hepatitas vaccine. In 1989, work by Alan Cantwell Jr., M.D. linking AIDS to the hepatitis B viral vaccine experiments was suppressed at the 1989 AIDS International Conference by officials of the World Health Organization.

1972:

President Nixon announced a ban on the production and use of biological (but not chemical) warfare agents. However, as the Army`s own experts reveal, this ban is meaningless because the studies required to protect against biological warfare weapons are generally indistinguishable from those to develop biological weapons. Research on offensive bio-war continues to the present day under the justification that such research was a necessary pre-cursor to defensive bio-war.

1974:

Less publicized was National Security Study memorandum 200, signed by Henry Kissenger. This document declared that overpopulation of the world posed a grave threat to the nation and urged the imposition of population control measures wherever possible. While the media have reported the forced sterilizations in China, Canada, and Sweden, the abuses of the sterilization programs here in the United States remain concealed from public view. A class action suit in Los Angeles revealed that Chicano women were being sterilized immediatly after giving birth. The non-English speaking women had been given sterilization consent forms in English and were told the operation was to deal with the after-affects of the pregnancy. Similar abuses were reported on Native American reservations, with estimates of coerced or covert sterilization running as high as one woman out of every four. Yet another lawsuit in New York and a scandal in Puerto Rico led to the passage of laws requiring a standardized consent form printed in multiple languages in 1979.

More can be found in...

Michael Parenti. [book] ``Democracy for the Few``

(St. Martin`s Press 1995)

Since 1979, population control in accordance with NSS 200 has become more covert. An organization in Belgium called the ``World Federation Of Doctors who value life`` claims to have discovered a sterilizing agent in the tetanus vaccines being used in third world nations by the World Health Organization. The claim is supported by the fact that only women were given the multi-injection tetanus shots over several weeks (normal tetanus shots only require a single injection).

Villagers in India were offered cash payments on the condition that 75 percent of all men in the village submit to vasectomy. In another Indian village, ``100 percent of the eligible couples`` were reported to have accepted family planning, mostly by means of vasectomy, in exchange for a new village well.

1975:

According to the June 1975 Report to the President by the Commission on CIA Activities within the United States, chaired by Nelson Rockefeller, the CIA`s human experimentation program was carried out from 1953 to 1967. (pp. 226-8). At least one person in a CIA program died directly after having been administered LSD without his knowledge, an action the Commission termed ``clearly illegal.`` The Rockefeller Commission reported that ``All the records concerning the program were ordered destroyed in 1973.``

1977:

Ray Ravenhott, director of the population program of the U.S. Agency for International Development (AID), publicly announced the agency`s goal to sterilize one quarter of the world`s women. In reports by the St Louis Post-Dispatch, Ravenhott in essence cited the reasoning for this being U.S. corporate interests in avoiding the threat of revolutions which might be spawned by chronic unemployment. Since then, allegations have surfaced that free vaccinations being given by the World Health Organization include a ``pregnancy anti-body`` which fools a woman`s body into treating a pregnancy as an infection.

1980-1981:

Within months of their incarceration in detention centers in Miami and Puerto Rico, many male Haitian refugees developed an unusual condition called ``gynecomasia``. This is a condition in which males develop full female breasts. A number of the internees at Ft. Allen in Puerto Rico claimed that they were forced to undergo a series of injections which they believed to be hormones. When ``Inside Investigations`` showed a prison video of serial killer Richard Speck engaging in drugs and sex, the female breasts were clearly visible on the man.

http://www.mayhem.net/Crime/speck.html

1981:

More than 300,000 Cubans were stricken with dengue hemorrhagic fever. An investigation by the magazine `Covert Action Information Bulletin`, which tracks the workings of various intelligence agencies around the world, suggested that this outbreak was the result of a release of mosquitoes by Cuban counterrevolutionaries. The magazine tracked the activities of one CIA operative from a facility in Panama to the alleged Cuban connections. During the last 30 years, Cuba has been subjected to an enormous number of outbreaks of human and crop diseases which are difficult to attribute to purely natural causes.

1982:

El Salvadoran trade unionists claimed that epidemics of many previously unknown diseases had cropped up in areas immediately after U.S. directed aerial bombings.

1985:

An outbreak of Dengue fever struck Managua Nicaragua shortly after an increase of U.S. aerial reconnaissance missions. Nearly half of the capital city`s population was stricken with the disease, and several deaths were attributed to the outbreak. It was the first such epidemic in the country and the outbreak was nearly identical to that which struck Cuba a few years earlier (1981). Dengue fever variations were the focus of much experimentation at the Army`s Biological Warfare test facility at Ft. Dietrick, Maryland prior to the `ban` on such research in 1972.

1985:

In ruling on a case in which a former U.S. Army sergeant attempted to bring a lawsuit against the Army for using experimental drugs on him, without his knowledge, the U.S. Supreme Court determined that allowing such an action against the military would disrupt the chain of command. Thus, nearly all potential actions against the military for past, or future, misdeeds have been barred as have actions aimed at the release of classified documents on the subject.

In short, no matter what they do to you, nothing will happen to them. Dr. Mengala would have loved it here!

1987:

As the result of a lawsuit by a public interest group, the Department of Defense was forced to reveal the fact that it still operated Chemical and Biological Warfare (CBW) research programs at 127 sites around the United States.

1992:

The Michigan Supreme Court ruled that the state court has the right to order sterilizations ``for the good of the ward``.

1994:

Abuses of American sponsored population control agendas started to surface around the world.

Mr. Leanardo Casco, a member of the Honduran delegation to the 1994 United Nations World Population Conference in Cairo said, ``In our hospitals and in our health care system, we have a lot of problems getting basic medicines -- things like penicillin and antibiotics. There is a terrible shortage of basic medicines, but you can find the cabinets full of condoms, pills and IUDs.``

Dr. Stephen K. Karanja, an obstetrician/gynecologist from Kenya, wrote, ``[T]housands of the Kenyan people will die of Malaria whose treatment costs a few cents, in health facilities whose stores are stalked [sic] to the roof with millions of dollars worth of pills, IUDs, Norplant, Depo-provera, most of which are supplied with American money.``

1996:

Under pressure from Congress and the public, after a 60 Minutes segment, the U.S. Department of Defense finally admitted that at least 20,000 U.S. servicemen ``may`` have been exposed to chemical weapons during operation `Desert Storm`. This exposure is claimed to be the result of the destruction of a Iraqi weapons bunker. Similar illnesses of other troops, who were not in this area, suggest other means of exposure not yet admitted to. Veterans groups have released information that many of the problems may be a result of experimental vaccines and innoculations which were provided troops during the military buildup.

1996:

In testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in June 1996, Christine de Vollmer, president of the Latin America Alliance for the Family, said that Latin America perceives Timothy Wirth, Undersecretary of State and top official in charge of U.S. population control policy, as ``a ruthless population controller, unashamed of coercive measures and disrespectful`` of the human rights of people, particularly women, in developing countries.

Brazilian senator Rosiska Darcy de Olivera condemned the United States for its population programs, which force Brazilian women to undergo sterilization, saying: ``To say that women from the South who have many babies are responsible for the environmental crisis -- it`s a scandal.``

1997:

The city of Minneapolis was sprayed with chemicals used to test germ warfare techniques over a period of several months, in 61 seperate operations. It was assumed that the chemicals were hamless, but there was an oncrease in the rates for respiratory illness in the sprayed areas.

Students and faculty at the Jasper School in Arkansas were struck down by a mysterious malady on Jan 31st that sent many of them to the hospital. Some of the paramedics and emergancy workers who arrived at the school later become ill, with the primary symptom being an incapacitating headache, which took several weeks to subside. Despite constant monitoring of the kids by health workers, no cause was ever announced.

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Hi Doc,

`` The world should listen to these voices, the female voices allied with the ``secularist-humanist principles`` .

Are these voices just females or Muslim females? If we do care for so called ``secularist-humanist principles`` more than oue own truely `` All respect based culture for women ``, then we don`t have any right to use the word `` Muslim `` over here OR???

uh oh, general romair`s hallucinations about pak`s position over kashmir may be just that??

``U.S. to help India in border management

NEW DELHI, NOV. 24. The United States has offered to assist India in countering the infiltration of terrorists from across the Line of Control in Jammu and Kashmir and improving India`s border management, it is reliably learnt here.

During the Prime Minister, Mr. Atal Behari Vajpayee`s visit to Washington earlier this month, the Bush administration committed a small amount to transfer appropriate sensors, unmanned aerial vehicles and other technical equipment to enhance India`s capability to deal with the infiltration of militants into Jammu and Kashmir.

This will be the first instance of concrete American cooperation in countering terrorism in Jammu and Kashmir. If India is satisfied with the equipment, it would have the option of buying them in larger quantities to strengthen its surveillance of the LoC.

Whether the President of Pakistan, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, is willing to be persuaded by the international community to exercise restraint on the LoC or not, the proposed U.S. cooperation is certain to boost India`s ability to deal with cross-border terrorism.``

Raveena #77,

New role as a cheerleader? That`s pretty cute. A bit of friendly advice: try to keep your skirt down sister. I wouldn`t want horrible harimau to take advantage of you while you`re in that compromising position.

shankar bhai #82,

There you go again with your monthly tantrums about free speech :).

Why are you worrying though? You don`t call people bc`s and mc`s and other female put-down terms like ali1 does.

Whoever scolds him for talking the way he does is justified and you know it.

ps: hey don`t call me Mother Theresa, that`s an insult to her :)

Mohazir, some other news items. Turmoil is brewing..

http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/nov/25bang1.htm

http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/nov/25bang.htm

re: scout prude

trying hard to get my attention again i see

Shankar

Errr...dude, none of my posts were refering to you...if you have noticed, I am trying to get anyone at Chowk to post a working policy on online sexual harrassment. As salty as some of your posts have been, they simply don`t meet the criteria(so sorry to disappoint). You and other Chowkies are well aware of the multiheaded, multinicked interactor who has posted slanderous, bigotted, obscene messages about me and a few interactors and justifies his ridiculous behavior as ``free speech``. Is calling a female interactor a prostitute what the originators and defenders of the First Amendment had in mind? In the very sick mentality of this interactor, it is reasonable to sexually harrass the women at Chowk and use his so called Islamic ``faith`` and the First Amendment to support his gutter thana bazi. Why does one become Mother Theresa or Father whatever when demanding some checks and balances on this interactor?

Has anyone, in the time I have been on Chowk, read any interacts in which the female interactors 1.insinuated themselves into every conversation male Chowkies had 2. heckled the men and called them hindus/false muslims/``sluts``/b/tches

3. followed a male interactor and posted a message responding to the conversations that the interactor was having with other people 4. threatened to ``flood`` the message boards with derogatory, obscene and harrassing posts about another interactor? No, you haven`t. A woman interactor might have used one or two choice words after being provoked and baited unreasonably, but nothing at the level of obscenity that this interactor uses on a hourly basis. Every interactor on Chowk has, regardless of a few nasty interacts, maintained a respect for other interactors. Why is this behavior tolerated? Why is it not acknowledge as online sexual harrassment and responded to as such?

Have you noticed that this interactor only targets women? Why is that acceptable? To demand some accountability after monthes of trying to have peaceful conversations with other interactors will get you labelled by the multiheaded interactor a ``feminazi``. Can anyone not see this behavior as a textbook harrasser profile?

Perhaps we should check out the New York Times Magazine this week; theres a story on online harrassment that discusses this issue and the legal recourses being taken against online harrassers. Its really sad that this issue is not addressed at Chowk. What`s also sad for all of us is that this interactor has started encroaching on the nicks of other; he is going to be a serious liability for this website, one way or another.

So anyway, Shankar, to wrap it up, this is not about you. Now hopefully, I`ll be able to spend some time interacting on some of the issues brought up by the writer of this piece. And this situation has made me particularly humorless.

regards

Well written Fawzia!

However, let us not go overboard with criticism of Salman Rushdie who has done more for the Muslim world than anyone else.

Long Live Rushdie

joieya----93.

What kind of people are you talking about?

These second or third generation APWAS who were `liberated` by Raana Liaquat Ali Khan (the christain who pursued her agenda to westernise the brains by baring the bodies).Now this High-Noon of the feminine vs feminazi variety at the Not-really-OK Corral(named Pakistan) is still continuing.

The other side was led by the respectable & serene,shareef & khandaani Mohtramaa Fatimah Jinnah---feminine,professional(dentist),clean character,graceful with dress & doppatta, sincere & equally adept at urdu,gujrati & english.

It is not a pleasant thought but sad to say that since then the ``secularist & humanist`` scum has been wreaking havoc in Pakistan but retains the mask of Islam over its face---just in case the tide turns.

Such women just cannot move an inch without a goraa/goree support group.Most of such kind have a very first hand experience of being abused & rejected as a woman-----but wrongly accuse the eastern culture & men for it.They will soon see the ``fruits`` of westernism in their children & grand-children---but by then such stuff would be normal & ``everybody does it`` & ``we must move with the times``.

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