Fawzia Afzal Khan November 23, 2001
#99 Posted by sigalph235 on November 26, 2001 1:08:34 am
re saminashah 100
Frankly, we don`t need a policy about everything everywhere. I don`t like the indecorous language of many interactors, including Shankar sometimes, and I vent my opinions about it. But I am dead-set against more regulation etc etc. In a free society we have a lot of rights but the right to be not offended is not one of them. And it shouldn`t be. In that sense, I am with Shankar and other provocateurs. The essense of the First Amendment is absolutist (`...shall make NO law...`).
As for this sexual harassment stuff, it has simply gone too far to the ridiculous. If we had the same pc attitude two or even one generation ago, chances are many of us 20 and 30 somethings wouldn`t have been around :)
Frankly, we don`t need a policy about everything everywhere. I don`t like the indecorous language of many interactors, including Shankar sometimes, and I vent my opinions about it. But I am dead-set against more regulation etc etc. In a free society we have a lot of rights but the right to be not offended is not one of them. And it shouldn`t be. In that sense, I am with Shankar and other provocateurs. The essense of the First Amendment is absolutist (`...shall make NO law...`).
As for this sexual harassment stuff, it has simply gone too far to the ridiculous. If we had the same pc attitude two or even one generation ago, chances are many of us 20 and 30 somethings wouldn`t have been around :)
#100 Posted by Tibor on November 26, 2001 1:08:34 am
Hamzad, knock it off. You are getting as irritating as YLH.
#101 Posted by stuka on November 26, 2001 1:08:34 am
RSaxena / Scout
Um, I might end up regretting this, but, if I remember correctly, you guys had a pretty decent chemistry a few months back. You know, with the Spanish interacts and all...so..like what happened?? I mean, look at Sadna and YLH. If they can kiss and make up (figuratively speaking), why can`t you guys huh???
Um, I might end up regretting this, but, if I remember correctly, you guys had a pretty decent chemistry a few months back. You know, with the Spanish interacts and all...so..like what happened?? I mean, look at Sadna and YLH. If they can kiss and make up (figuratively speaking), why can`t you guys huh???
#102 Posted by sr_chwk on November 26, 2001 1:08:34 am
for billion+ people living in almost all part of the globe, oh yeah the list is too big Dr Fawzia.
#103 Posted by Bhardwaj on November 26, 2001 1:08:34 am
NCERT at one time was my secular partner ,is now doing what it tried to do with me .REwrite the Indian History ,not acceptyable to any minority of India ,Particularly Muslims of India
SANGH SCHOLAR SNOWED UNDER HISTORY ‘HOLES’
FROM MONOBINA GUPTA
New Delhi, Nov. 23:
Why are freedom fighters like Bal Gangadhar Tilak, Lala Lajpat Rai, Bipin Chandra Pal and Aurobindo Ghosh called “extremists”? Why is Akbar praised for putting into place an efficient administrative system? Why are Rajput chiefs shown supporting the Mughal empire?
For Dinanath Batra, who has been appointed by the NCERT to review history textbooks, there is no end of complaints. Batra is the head of the Akhil Bharti Shiksha Sansthan, which runs a chain of 20,000 schools of the RSS.
In his review Bhartiyakaran ke Virodhi, (Against Indian culture) Batra has listed a series of “distortions” in history textbooks authored by Romila Thapar, R.S. Sharma, Satish Chandra and Arjun Dev. These books will soon go out of circulation once the NCERT introduces a new social science textbook in consonance with the restructured curriculum from the next academic session.
The list of “distortions” pointed out by Batra is interesting because it reveals the “mindset” of the present policy-framers who disagree with virtually every interpretation of the scholars.
“Satish Chandra’s medieval India textbook for class XI minimises the contribution of early Rajputs and other Hindu groups,” says the review. “Its 222 pages are just filled with Muslim history.”
Underlining all the objections is the belief that the authors were dismissive of Hindu religion and have tried to glorify Islam and its rulers. Some samples of statements in the present NCERT textbooks and Batra’s responses to them:
Most prominent among new leaders were Bal Gangadhar Tilak, Bipin Chandra Pal, Lala Lajpat Rai and Aurobindo Ghosh. They came to be known as the extremists (Arjun Dev).
Batra: The author has shown great disrespect to these leaders by calling them extremists.
An efficient administrative system developed under Akbar’s rule helped them (the Mughals) maintain stability for the next 150 years (Satish Chandra).
Batra: This is an unnecessary glorification of the Mughal empire. It was very unstable during Aurangzeb’s rule and stability could have lasted a maximum of 100 years.
In religious matters, Hyder Ali and Tipu Sultan were enlightened and broadminded because of which they won the support and loyalty of the people (Satish Chandra).
Batra: That they committed atrocities are not mentioned. It is a highly controversial statement. Moreover, it is a historical impossibility to win the loyalty and support of all subjects. There was dissent even in Ramrajya.
Rajput chiefs during Akbar’s time provided strong support to the Mughal empire. They, however, revolted against Aurangzeb when he tried to interfere with their privilege of inheriting ancestral land (Satish Chandra).
Batra: An objectionable observation because it treats Rajputs as minions of the Mughals. It fails to underline their resistance.
#104 Posted by shankar on November 26, 2001 1:08:34 am
ladies ladies,
aaahh...feels so goood...now that my ears are nice & warm & red after you`ve twisted them:)
{{So anyway, Shankar, to wrap it up, this is not about you. Now hopefully, I`ll be able to spend some time interacting on some of the issues brought up by the writer of this piece. And this situation has made me particularly humorless.}}
samina..I realise its not about me..I`ve had ``issues`` with 12 headed Ravan too (gee I was kinda hoping one of the 12 heads was harimou). Ok so what do we do about this bum...er, how about ignore him?...what else can you do? If Editors lock him out--I guess he could emerge with yet another head..huh?!..besides, just cos he called you those horrid things, does`nt make you them..does it?! I figure the more he acts like an idiot, the more irrelevant all his editorials will be..
focus on issues of this article?! umm..b-o-r-i-n-g!
scouty, i figured Mother Teresa needed some class..i`m sorry , she`s too much of a goody two-shoes (may her soul rest in peace)..
gotta go on a soapbox once in a while..
aaahh...feels so goood...now that my ears are nice & warm & red after you`ve twisted them:)
{{So anyway, Shankar, to wrap it up, this is not about you. Now hopefully, I`ll be able to spend some time interacting on some of the issues brought up by the writer of this piece. And this situation has made me particularly humorless.}}
samina..I realise its not about me..I`ve had ``issues`` with 12 headed Ravan too (gee I was kinda hoping one of the 12 heads was harimou). Ok so what do we do about this bum...er, how about ignore him?...what else can you do? If Editors lock him out--I guess he could emerge with yet another head..huh?!..besides, just cos he called you those horrid things, does`nt make you them..does it?! I figure the more he acts like an idiot, the more irrelevant all his editorials will be..
focus on issues of this article?! umm..b-o-r-i-n-g!
scouty, i figured Mother Teresa needed some class..i`m sorry , she`s too much of a goody two-shoes (may her soul rest in peace)..
gotta go on a soapbox once in a while..
#105 Posted by scout on November 26, 2001 1:08:34 am
Petunia #99,
hello?
you`re the one who can`t see me interacting with anyone (in this case harimau) and have to butt in all the time.
why don`t you ask yourself who`s trying to get whose attention.
by the way, what`s your definition of ``prude?``
someone who doesn`t take crap from you?
hello?
you`re the one who can`t see me interacting with anyone (in this case harimau) and have to butt in all the time.
why don`t you ask yourself who`s trying to get whose attention.
by the way, what`s your definition of ``prude?``
someone who doesn`t take crap from you?
#106 Posted by AAmir on November 26, 2001 1:08:34 am
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#108 Posted by AAmir on November 26, 2001 1:08:34 am
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#109 Posted by khamkhwa on November 26, 2001 1:08:34 am
WARNING: NOT FOR LADIES & PRUDES
Bijli hai jiska naam shakal uski mohini
Kothay pe paee jaati hai badmast sohini
Hai jiska naam Faiza voh shay hai deedni
zahreeli aisi kaat le mar jaay dhamini
UryaN hui hai Fatimah,AAmir bhi saath hai
pee kar sharab naach rahi hai voh padmini
TaangeN utha ke late gayee pyari Deepika
kahte hain uski Shah bajata hai symphony
Lajo ka wazn aisa ke haathi kaheN jisse
har ek gali main usko pukaray hai hastini
Bazarehusn choRR diya,jab husn dhal gaya
ab tau tamam Chowk par banti hain Hajjini
Bapu jo unka baap hai,Dalla bhi hai vohi
din raat khoon choos ke banta hai ab dhani
mohini=pretty, badmast=drunk, shay=thing
dhamini=poisonous snake, UryaN= naked
Lajo= Lajwanti, Bazar e husn = Red light area
Hastini = A woman of elephantine proportions
Hajjini = Female Haji , Dalla = Pimp
Bijli hai jiska naam shakal uski mohini
Kothay pe paee jaati hai badmast sohini
Hai jiska naam Faiza voh shay hai deedni
zahreeli aisi kaat le mar jaay dhamini
UryaN hui hai Fatimah,AAmir bhi saath hai
pee kar sharab naach rahi hai voh padmini
TaangeN utha ke late gayee pyari Deepika
kahte hain uski Shah bajata hai symphony
Lajo ka wazn aisa ke haathi kaheN jisse
har ek gali main usko pukaray hai hastini
Bazarehusn choRR diya,jab husn dhal gaya
ab tau tamam Chowk par banti hain Hajjini
Bapu jo unka baap hai,Dalla bhi hai vohi
din raat khoon choos ke banta hai ab dhani
mohini=pretty, badmast=drunk, shay=thing
dhamini=poisonous snake, UryaN= naked
Lajo= Lajwanti, Bazar e husn = Red light area
Hastini = A woman of elephantine proportions
Hajjini = Female Haji , Dalla = Pimp
#110 Posted by tahmed321 on November 26, 2001 1:08:34 am
Hamzad #83 ``His Eminence Maulana Mohammed Abdul Aleem Siddiqui, al-Qaderi, the eminent Muslim divine``
This use of elaborate titles and placement of man to the level of a divinity goes against the concept that all persons are equal before God, a concept that lies at the foundations of Islam.
The ``eminence`` is quoted as saying: ``The words of the Tradition of our Prophet that ``He who interprets the Qur`an according to his own opinion should be prepared to accommodate himself in hell`` are indelibly impressed on my mind.``
This is the big lie used by the mullahs in order to gain power in society by pretending to be spokesmen for God. It is a brazen violation of the basic teachings of the Quran which calls upon the individual to trust his own eyes and brains, to read the Quran with and a clear mind, and that the Quran is a book to make things simple.
This use of elaborate titles and placement of man to the level of a divinity goes against the concept that all persons are equal before God, a concept that lies at the foundations of Islam.
The ``eminence`` is quoted as saying: ``The words of the Tradition of our Prophet that ``He who interprets the Qur`an according to his own opinion should be prepared to accommodate himself in hell`` are indelibly impressed on my mind.``
This is the big lie used by the mullahs in order to gain power in society by pretending to be spokesmen for God. It is a brazen violation of the basic teachings of the Quran which calls upon the individual to trust his own eyes and brains, to read the Quran with and a clear mind, and that the Quran is a book to make things simple.
#111 Posted by sigalph235 on November 26, 2001 2:47:04 am
re aamir 115
``Males make big money, displaying female body through their respectable trades like fashion shows, night clubs, bars and especially commercial advertising (One can`t stop wondering, `Do I want the Mustang or the beautiful blonde in the advertisement?` ``
My bar is owned by a woman; my company`s local advertising agency is owned by a woman. And I don`t like Mustangs. Blondes, yes.
See, the problem with your (and that of this old industry of anti-West cultural crusaders) is that you forget that nobody forces any woman in the West to wear anything, sleep with anyone, and go out of home to work. It is a matter of choice- a concept utterly alien to most of the Middle East and many other `cultured` societies of the East.
Personally, I am not ashamed at all to admit that I love seeing beautiful women in short skirts and alluring tops. So what?
``Males make big money, displaying female body through their respectable trades like fashion shows, night clubs, bars and especially commercial advertising (One can`t stop wondering, `Do I want the Mustang or the beautiful blonde in the advertisement?` ``
My bar is owned by a woman; my company`s local advertising agency is owned by a woman. And I don`t like Mustangs. Blondes, yes.
See, the problem with your (and that of this old industry of anti-West cultural crusaders) is that you forget that nobody forces any woman in the West to wear anything, sleep with anyone, and go out of home to work. It is a matter of choice- a concept utterly alien to most of the Middle East and many other `cultured` societies of the East.
Personally, I am not ashamed at all to admit that I love seeing beautiful women in short skirts and alluring tops. So what?
#112 Posted by AAmir on November 26, 2001 10:50:23 am
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#114 Posted by jay on November 26, 2001 10:50:23 am
PILLOW TALK AN INTERVIEW WITH MUSHERAFF,
PT, now that the awr is almost over it is time to evaluate the results.
M, the results are all good for pakistan.
PT, can you elaborate
M, well india is not mentioned any where, it is pakistan, pak soldiers in kunduz, pak towns getting bombed, pakistan getting some loan differals, osama escaping to pakistan, and pak ships getting searched. From a apriah state, pakistan has become the most talked about. That is some achievement.
PT, but you seem to have no influence with the US in war. Pakis did not get saved in kunduz.
M, US was all willing to save them. Then came asghar, the one I saved from india, he said that he was so frustrated that he was not sent to heaven by the indians. For a jihadist to be saved is a disgrace. In fact it is good that no one escaped from kunduz, rather they went heaven straight.
PT, that is good to know. How about your embassy in kabul, indians have theirs, while you all dont have.
M, well it is all, maya, the kaliyuga. We have the talibans in pakistan, we have to get them back to power.
PT, all the best you past experience will help.
M, No not at all, as I said in the UN, pakistan is not involved with taliban.
PT, thank you very much for telling some realuth
PT, now that the awr is almost over it is time to evaluate the results.
M, the results are all good for pakistan.
PT, can you elaborate
M, well india is not mentioned any where, it is pakistan, pak soldiers in kunduz, pak towns getting bombed, pakistan getting some loan differals, osama escaping to pakistan, and pak ships getting searched. From a apriah state, pakistan has become the most talked about. That is some achievement.
PT, but you seem to have no influence with the US in war. Pakis did not get saved in kunduz.
M, US was all willing to save them. Then came asghar, the one I saved from india, he said that he was so frustrated that he was not sent to heaven by the indians. For a jihadist to be saved is a disgrace. In fact it is good that no one escaped from kunduz, rather they went heaven straight.
PT, that is good to know. How about your embassy in kabul, indians have theirs, while you all dont have.
M, well it is all, maya, the kaliyuga. We have the talibans in pakistan, we have to get them back to power.
PT, all the best you past experience will help.
M, No not at all, as I said in the UN, pakistan is not involved with taliban.
PT, thank you very much for telling some realuth
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