An International Failure

Reply #: 247

Yahuda Goldsteen

Army reserve have been put on alert in Israel. I am expected to join my unit just twenty eight miles south of Haifa. I am not looking forward to it, I must confess. I hate Palestine who have brought so much misery to themselves and other nations, including Arabs such as Jordan, Egypt, syria, Iraq and Kuwait. I knoe some Arabs who hate Palestine. I am expected to defend my homeland and kill. Salom from Tel Aviv



Behuda Steen!

AS WE CAre what u do or where u go he..he...he...he

Another U.S. Double Standard



In a blatant move, openly declaring its total support for Israeli

terrorism against innocent Palestinians, the U.S. representative to the

United Nations Security Council vetoed a UN resolution which aimed at

sending peacekeeping forces to the region.

Although the U.S. move has been met with severe criticisms from all

countries except Israel, the U.S. representative John Negroponte showed

the world through his veto, the emptiness of the current U.S. slogans

about fighting terrorism.

The UN Security Council resolution condemned all acts of terror, in

particular, those targeting civilians.

There is no doubt that exercising its veto power on a sensitive issue

such as the Palestinian conflict would encourage Israel to step up its

attacks and widen its aggression against the Palestinian people which is

causing death and destruction on a daily basis.

On the day of the U.S. veto, the Israelis killed five Palestinians during

several clashes, demonstrating the immediate effect of receiving the green

light for instigating more violence.

The action of the U.S. Administration in vetoing the UN resolution which

has been considered by many nations to be a ``balanced resolution`` was

clearly designed to incite the Zionist regime to continue its ruthless war

against defenseless Palestinian people.

The continuation of the current iron-fisted policy exercised by the White

House in every corner of the world under the pretext of fight against

terrorism is in direct contrast to its strong and blind support of the

state terrorism of Israel.

The U.S. stand and subsequent statements made by American leaders will do

nothing but contribute to increasing the tension and the violence in the

Palestinian occupied lands.

Even some of America`s allies have shown dismay and frustration at the

evenhandedness of the U.S. Administration regarding world problems and

trouble spots.

Although the U.S. officials had originally accepted such a draft proposal

at the G8 meeting in Genoa(NW Italy) last July, it becomes more

incomprehensible to understand why it should now veto the same idea

presented through a reasonable UN draft resolution of the Security Council

which foresaw an impartial mechanism for establishing a Middle East

surveillance for the sole purpose of bringing to an end the atrocities and

genocide inflicted by the illegitimate Zionist regime against innocent

people in their homes and lands.

It seems that the U.S. Administration wishes to instill its own version

of a so-called peace process in the world and is adamant at sidestepping

any involvement of the United Nations in the process.

With the Israeli-Palestinian peace talks dead and buried, Sharon and his

regime, being assured of a comprehensive U.S. support, have escalated

their killing process in the occupied lands. The Muslim countries and

governments can no longer afford to remain inactive observers. Announcing

regrets and verbal show of support will not help the Palestinians in their

plight. The whole Islamic world should come together in a united front

against the Israeli atrocities and in full support of the Palestinian

cause. The various Palestinian factions must also put aside all existing

policy differences and unite within a `cohesive front` against the Zionist

enemy.

Israel has become aggressively petulant due to the blind support it

receives from its chief ally, the American Administration. It must find to

its detriment that the policy it pursues is doomed to failure. Palestine

belongs to all Muslims in the world and all Muslims must now come together

to save it from the clutches of a mad butcher who has brought shame and

sorrow even to his own people through committing unparalleled crimes

against humanity.

#: 247

Yahuda Goldsteen

Army reserve have been put on alert in Israel. I am expected to join my unit just twenty eight miles south of Haifa. I am not looking forward to it, I must confess. I hate Palestine who have brought so much misery to themselves and other nations, including Arabs such as Jordan, Egypt, syria, Iraq and Kuwait. I knoe some Arabs whohate Palestine.

I am expected to defend my homeland and kill.

Salom from Tel Aviv``



Pathetic Steen.

Our forefathers were smarter.

They didnt build a house on someone elses property .

As they sow ,so shall they reap :old testament

NOT TORAH)

Reply #: 248

audio-video-radio

You bothersome irritating avr,LISTEN ,& you listen hard Mothers blood is not sons DNA O.K. arts student....And Osamas Dna is all over Afghanistan ,Khandar & tora Bora .You dont worryu about the scientific advantagebeing used against OBL.There wont be any failure if he is found dead or alive.

I think that anyone who places too much belief in Gen Musharraf`s ability to move Pakistan away from sponsoring terrorism in India is expecting too much. Pre Sept. 11, he was so scared of the religious groups in his country, that even when they openly incited the army to revolt against him, he could do little except plead with them. Again it was only when America applied unprecedented pressure on him that the General reluctantly took half steps against the ISI. So left to himselves, one can hardly expect Pres. Musharraf to have a change of heart and move against either the jehadis or the ISI, especially when it comes to India.

The army and terrorism are so interlinked in Pakistan now, that India can hope for an end to cross-border terrorism only when somebody can control the military there. But who is going to do this? The US is certainly not going to do this on India`s behalf. The people of Pakistan have shown themselves totally unwilling and/or unable to do so. I think the only option remaining is for India to do whatever it can on its own.

But what can India do? IMO war should be the last resort. This is likely to be too costly, and it would most likely strengthen the military rather than weaken it. This is not what India wants. But there are other options open to us.

For starters, India should unilaterally withdraw from the Indus water treaty and use water as a strategic lever over Pakistan. This treaty is heavily biased in favor of that nation, and witdrawal from it would hurt Pakistan severely. The resulting water shortages would also heighten nascent inter-state disputes there. India should also prevent (legal) trade with Pakistan, thereby hurting that part of its industry which is dependent on Indian markets or raw materials. At the same time India should also covertly encouraging smuggling to destabilize the Pakistani economy. In the medium term India could also create another south-asian body like SAARC BUT minus Pakistan (and including AFghanistan), and move towards closer collaboration with our other neighbours. Once the benefits of regional collaboration become apparent, Pakistan would be hard pressed to try and seek entry into the group, but it would be on India`s terms.

-narain

This is the sort of guy to whom is entrusted the job of handling Pakistan`s most important foreign relationship :

http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/191201/dlnat27.asp

Mansoor Ejaz, nuclear physicist advises the US on MSNBC, ``instead of worrying about day-to-day location and activities of Bin Laden, pay attention to the squeeze play by Indian/Pakistani reinforcements on the border, this is more important``

US fought a war to catch Bin Laden, and now they should forget all about him and attend to other business?? When its obvious that the only reason there are no jihadi training camps and hiding places for international terrorists for the US to worry about on the Indian side of Kashmir is because its the Indian side of Kashmir..


Foreing Minister? Abdus Sattar said on CNN yesterday something like ``India has a elemental hostily toward Pakistan. Moreover they jump to conclusions very fast and make accusations without a `proper` enquiry``

Haha. Statements have to have some credibility and not merely be assertions. Lying never pays when it can be caught out.

And lookit, heres what a LeT brochure says,
ttp://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_865000/865818.stm

``.. Lashkar`s professed ideology goes beyond merely challenging Indian rule in the northern state of Jammu and Kashmir.

In a pamphlet entitled Why Are We Waging Jihad, the group defines its agenda as the restoration of Islamic rule over all parts of India...``

Now with stuff like that lying around..? To deny that you have an elephant in the house when its trumpeting loudly and sticking its tail out the back door..Sheesh

(No disrespect to elephants, who are gentle and wise creatures most of the time)

http://paknews.com/top.php?id=1&date1=2001-12-17

``...Pakistan`s proactive response has made Indian minsiters to stop giving any further statements against Pakistan. Indian Home Minister L.K. Advani sidestepping a hot pursuit against Pakistan has denied complete intelligence failure behind the brazen terrorist attack on Parliament, and instead blamed Indian citizens` attitude for New Delhi`s inability to crush terrorism...``

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/19/international/asia/19INDI.html
``...NEW DELHI, Dec. 18 — On the first full day of business since a suicide squad attacked India`s Parliament last week, the country`s home minister, L. K. Advani, today accused Pakistan`s intelligence agency and two Islamic militant groups operating there of having ``the temerity to try to wipe out the entire political leadership of India...``


If India does nothing too long, we will next have planes flying into high rise buildings.

kafir khan #246 Not finding any Paki bigots to write the type of posts you would like to see them write, I see you decided in this post to play-act as a Paki bigot yourself.

....thanks to the relentless investigative work by sadna, and its impact on highly influential pakistanis on chowk, musharaff now sees the error of his ways and will be issuing an apology right away....

Dear SameerJB:

You write:

`` It really does not matter if ISI or Mush knew or helped jehadis to carry out attack on Parliament building; they are guilty by association.``

Now that is one courageous, honest, brutally frank -- Pakistani -- who obviously loves his country with so much confidence -- he calls a spade a spade -- even if that SPADE belongs to his own country.

Now sameer, tell the Indians what India should do.

Re:Reply #: 211

sadna,

Thanks for your post. YOu are right. How silly it is to debate on a movie like Gaddar or Farz when in actual life, worse things are happening. Actions like the one on Dec 13 only set the stage for more hatred. Perhaps some bollywood moviemaker will capitalise on this and make another movie like Gaddar. So, it goes on with no end in sight.

Sridhar

Re: SameerJB

We are with you (the people of Pakistan), all the way. Some Indian interactors may be mistakenly giving you the impression that they think that Musharraf needs extra rope due to the current crisis that he has allowed to precipitate, but at the bottom of it all, they want a return to democracy in Pakistan. Anything less will only produce short-term gains. I repeat, we are with the people of Pakistan.

Ref M.A.Jinnah #: 240

Hey Urstruly, I was wondering who M. A. Jinnah was but your incoherent writing style gave you away.

I am waiting for the day when you will adopt the name Prophet Muhammad on Chowk.

On second thoughts, I think I will start posting under the name Prophet Muhammad. Maybe then I can fix a few things in Al-Kitab.

Re: harimau # 230

The reason that comparsion is flawed as you have mentioned the poor classes of India had the right to vote, but more importantly had their votes count for something. The poor classes in Pakistan never had that right and even if they did cast a ballot, it was not worth the paper it was printed upon.

I hope this answers your question. Secondly, no; I do not want a nuclear war, but cannot ignore it either. Harimau, the problem is that there is no level of trust between the Indian and Pakistani governments and due to a lack of an effective mechanism to bridge that distrust, any event has the potential igniting a war between the two nations.

Re: Shammi # 337 (?!)

Your observations about Musharraf were correct and he did deflate the egos of the religious lobby in Pakistan. Still, Musharraf needs time to deal with the whole mess and it will not happen within a blink of an eye. He can repeat the deed again, but he needs time to do the ``right thing``.

If you read Pakistani papers, you will notice that there is a marked change, but Kashmir and Islam are emotional issues in Pakistan. These issues have to tackled very carefully and slowly. Musharraf will deal with them and he will bring Pakistan back into the international consensus.

Three note worthy things have happened recently in Pakistan. One was the grant of an extended stay to the Americans in Pakistan and giving them Jacobabad airbase. Secondly, there is a liberal policy towards the grant of alcoholic licences, which was announced in the paper a few days ago. Lastly, Pakistani army was for the first time dispatched into the tribal belt. So, things are changing...for the better, I hope!

The shift in Pakistan`s perception has been effected since Nine-Elevan and the results will take a longer time to show, because what ever was put into the pipeline, will take a while to emerge and the conventional wisdom would suggest that things would become clear after the end of this year.

Re: Narain (?)

Yes, there is a definate showdown looming.

Ciao

Sadna 132

``I also wish someone would take a poll and find out how many %age of Pakistanis think India is behind the Srinagar and N. Delhi incidents.``

India govt.is 100% in illegal posession of Srinigar & Jammu & everything in between

What moral right other than a hindu rajas accession in expired time limit ,does india have ?India is erstwhile Brtish India minus the Pakistan.The princely states does not automatically goes to india as wrongfully usurped by India Hyderabad & Kash mir .

After that 5 people killed here & 400 ppl. killed in Kargil are RESULT of that action so dont go about counting fallen leaves just look at the roots (CAUSE) if you have some sense instead of verbose articles that hindu brahmins are used to writing .Who reads those craps . Except hindians themselves.

Re: Ferozk

``...The jehadi groups and all the religious minded political interest groups in Pakistan have done more to damage Pakistan than its worst enemies combined. Pakistan will have to fight these groups...``

I think that if Pakistan successfully fights these groups then the first step towards peace with India will have been made. It will bring peace within, and peace without (just as Jinnah had said). And if that is all it takes, then I am quite optmistic -- did you not observe how easily Musharraf deflated the egos of the religious militants recently? He has the capability to do the same again.