Caste, Technology and Religious Conversions in India

correction: the writer is Derrick Bell and not the athlete Derek Bell. Dr. Bell`s book was ``Faces at the Bottom of the Well``. He is a legal scholar and a civil rights activist and resigned from his position as president of Harvard because in protest of the dearth of Black women professors at Harvard. So, I guess we one example of someone who not only talked the talk, but walked the walk...

All those interested in the area of caste/sect/religion - based discrimination should read an article by Gail Omvedt in the current issue of The Week.

http://www.the-week.com/21dec30/cover1.htm

For those who may not know, Gail is an American-born activist who is married to a Dalit, and has been a citizen of India for a long while now. I have found many of her writings to be rather low on understanding of the complexity and tempo of India - but this piece has surpried me: it is a fairly objecitive assessment of the broad changes afoot, and of both the challenges met and unmet, yet, by us all.

Abusive post.

All of you who are b!tching and moaning about the disadvantages imposed by the caste system on the Dalits:

Did you read last week about the beggar girl in India who got a rank in the school final examinations? She seemed not to have spent her tome whining but used whatever means she had to prepare for the exam and she is now being offered scholarships to go to college.

How much worse than a beggar can you get in terms of social and economic inequality? That handicap didn`t faze this wonderful girl.

Soysauce, stick that fact up your rear end when you feel the urge to post something on the Chowk.

HaramOu next you will say dowry is not hinduism...then did i invent this or did i make this web sit

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then usually something is wrong with him unless of course he is catholic...or strong orthodox christian.....of course...

saxena, harimou,

Thank you so much for defending India`s & hindus` izzats from a twelve headed, brain dead retard ( each head is more retarded than the next).

Indians on Chowk desparately need achoots like you to clean up the garbage on Chowk.

sincerely,

appreciatively,

shankar

PS..quack quack..

Reply #: 45

RSaxena

re: harimau #41

...you`re trying to get a chimpanzee to understand Maxwell`s Equations...

SUX SENA

The day Hindu Mythology is considered more than fiction of much less significance ..than ONE Miniscule solitary solo single among billions of muslims ,...Rushdies playfull imaginatuion like Satanic Verses ,That day The nut like Harami .Ou or Sux Sena , can write one single coherent sentence.But like all prehistoric animalistic vestigeal practices of atavistic religion,hinduism is just that

Soysauce:

Let me remind you exactly what happened a couple of years back in your beloved Tamil Nadu.

In order to honor a Dalit leader, an existing state-owned bus transport company was divided into two and the second one was named for the Dalit. In a town populated mostly by Thevars, the population was upset that a bus named for a Dalit would be allowed to transit through their town, and burnt down the bus. The Dalits decided this was too much of an insult and attacked some Thevars with sickles and cut their heads off. Several more buses were burnt for being unfortunate enough to go through the disturbed areas, Thevars and Dalits took turns at stopping buses and killing members of the other community and the whole crap went on for some months (Pakistanis, we are NOT talking about a tribal area like those in NWFP or even a mountainous area here; we are talking about what passes for a nominally civilized town in the plains of Tamil Nadu) before order could be restored. And the solution to the problem was: there will be no bus company named for anybody and all existing bus companies had their name changed.

Let me point out that the most your beloved leader Karunanidhi could talk about Brahmin intolerance was that Brahmins did not allow Dalits to walk through the streets in which they lived. That was some 80 years ago when in villages the Brahmins lived on one street by themselves so that they could keep their religious observances without let or hindrance. Your folks have transferred caste even to an inanimate object like a bus and would not allow public transport go through a major town. And you have the temerity, the unmitigated gall, to talk about casteism and Brahmin oppression.

If I were you, I would not indicate on my driver`s license that I am organ donor because the first time you go to a hospital, the doctors will start harvesting your organs.

Ref anNy #: 31

[bhaiharimau- why do you dislike all the nice indians? soyasauce and shankar are two of the insaanlike indians on chowk and you call them cockroaches. pls dont.]

I dislike intellectual dishonesty, which these two people, amomg others, have in plenty.

Did you notice that all the cockroaches have scurried away from the proposition in my post #32? I will wait till much after New Year`s Day to ensure that all of these mental midgets have come back from their vacations and have plenty of time to ruminate and vote before accusing them of

cowardice.

Ref anarayan #: 35

[Contrary to what northies/pakis imagine, the southie languages have rich scope for invective that can make the northie maa-behen variety appear mildly amusing.]

Is that so? I always learn a couple of swear words in any new language I encounter so that I am armed with a proper response when I am swore at but let me tell you, the people speaking Kannada, Malayalam or Telugu have never once told me the equivalent of the maa-behn variety, as you so charmingly put it.

[A recent I overheard:``I`ll fry fish in your a-hole``!]

Being a vegetarian, I don`t hang out with the crowd that talks about frying fish so this one is new to me. Not that I intend to use it. The maa-behn variety is plenty sufficient for me.

Soysauce:

Let me point out that when you had people admitted to courses in Physics on merit, India produced a Nobel laureate in the form of CV Raman. The other Nobel laureate in Physics, Prof. Chandrasekhar, graduated from Presidency College, Madras, and is supposed to have formulated some of the basic ideas regarding black holes when he sailed from India to England for his PhD.

Today, under the leadership of caste-based politicians, Presidency College is known to graduate (rather, hand out degrees to) thugs who engage in street agitation. Under your famous AL Mudaliar, Vice Chancellor of the University of Madras until he died, the Economics Department celebrated the centennial of its unchanged syllabus a couple of decades back. That is the PROGRESS you get when you get casteism into educational institutions.

One doesn`t have to be a Brahmin to achieve the pinnacles of academic, artistic and scientific achievement, though VC Raman and his nephew Chandrasekhar both were. But one must have a sense of curiosity which will lead you to ask questions on why things behave the way they do. A very well-known Indian scientist, Satyendranath Bose, for whom the subatomic particle boson is named, was not a Brahmin. But then, people like Bose did not look for seats on a quota basis but were willing to match their brains against the best in the world. That is why his name is now linked with that of Einstein in particle physics.

Tell me, you pathetic excuse for human tissue, what have the quota system physicists, chemists, metallurgists, doctors, engineers and architects have produced in the last 50 years?

Further to #36,

The ``genius`` of the caste system is that it is insidiously hierarchical. If you were to protest against those above yourself, you risk protest from those below you. This keeps the system stable.

Hindian neferious plan of proping Islamic Northern Alliance Afghan was bound to blow in the face .Instead of Pakistan ,now indian will face in NEFA there dragon nightmare & the `eat alive Pakistan Soldiers `in Kashmir.

Heightening tensions along border part of China`s gameplan

Jaideep Mazumdar

Kolkata, December 25



The “hostile actions” by the Chinese in Arunachal Pradesh and Sikkim is, according to strategic experts, part of a well-thought-out move to corner India on two fronts. China has also beefed up its presence in Myanmar’s Coco Islands on the Bay of Bengal and plans to move in two aircraft carriers that are under construction now to the area.

“India cannot concentrate exclusively on the western theatre with Pakistan if China undertakes these measures along Arunachal and Sikkim. And it could well be that it is goading Pakistan to anti-Indian actions in Rajasthan, Punjab and Kashmir. A distracted India is a weaker India and China stands to gain the most from it,” pointed out a senior army officer.

In fact, say serving and retired officer, the situation now is quite similar to the pre-1962 situation when Beijing lulled New Delhi into a false sense of complacency.

China constructed a load linking Tibet with Xinjiang Ugyur region in 1961. This road passed through Aksai Chin area of India and to thwart any further moves by Chibna, India sent its troops to defend that territory in November 1961. By October 1962, China launched a full-scale aggression.

“This time, too, China has started acting on its claims over Arunachal and Sikkim and has constructed roads and rail links right up to our borders. It is encouraging new Chinese towns just across the border to spill over slowly into India. It is upgrading its formidable military infrastructure in the Small Coco and Great Coco Islands by stationing radar squadrons, extending two runways and beefing up the naval base there.

``At the same time, Chinese leaders are talking of peaceful resolution of the border issue with India and are trying to charm the Indian leadership into thinking that China is no threat to India. Our Foreign Minister said as much when he visited Beijing in June 1999, though our Defence Minister did say in April 1998 that China continues to represent a security threat to us,” said a retired army officer who did not want to be named.

China, said a strategic expert, has a “long memory” and has never shied away on taking concrete action on its territorial claims.

“Look at tactics China has employed to keep Japan and other countries on a leash. Apart from keeping India under pressure on the eastern front, China has been employing Pakistan as a surrogate belligerent to jeopardize India’s security,” said an analyst.

China has also been sending out conflicting signals—a few months after Jaswant Singh declared that China was no security threat to India, Chinese President Jiang Zemin made highly derogatory references to India while speaking to President Bill Clinton.

Zemin reportedly said that India would be dealt with strongly if it does not stop providing shelter to Tibetan refugees and continues to oppose China’s efforts to integrate Arunachal and Sikkim with the rest of that country. The USA’s Central Intelligence Agency sums it the best: “Beijing treats India as a country to be threatened, belittled and kept in check”. This, and other such assessments by the CIA, can be found in the CIA Factbooks.

According to the army sources, India will take at least a decade to upgrade its infrastructure in the North East to what China has on its side of the LAC now. It is learnt that the Indian Air Force (IAF) installations in the eastern and northeastern region have also been put on alert.

(Concluded)

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Dear Harimau, saxena etc etc,

Ha ha ha. lads, chill out willya! Harimau, you`re fizzling and popping like water on a hot pan.

Well, at least now you know how it feels to to get pissed off when someone spews shitz.

Saxena: my dear man, you`ve been assuming the role of a tattu for a very long time. Now you are being a `Khwaje da gwaa daddu,` to Harimau.

Harimau and Sax, I`ve seen you guys at your funniest for a long time.

Take care and happy new year to you both.

Anil, (great article!!!!)

Reply Anarayan # 35

I tell you, I am learning more and more about Tamilian language and culture on this board. First ali. Now thayoli.

“Contrary to what northies/pakis imagine, the southie languages have rich scope for invective that can make the northie maa-behen variety appear mildly amusing. A recent I overheard:``I`ll fry fish in your a-hole``!”

And you say this how?

And many thanks for this. I know that I am not the only one who appreciates it.

Zafar