Is Jehad Passe’?

sattar2 #142 To summarize: We both agree then that the current state of muslims is one of backwardness and jehalat. The way out of this state, in my view, is through education (broadly speaking to include knowledge, character-building, rational thinking). The way out of this state, in your view, is by following prophets (all prophets, and they continue to be born from time to time, per your view). You think my view is wishful thinking, I think your view will guarantee the continued existence of muslims in the state they find themselves.

Let us agree to disagree then, and best wishes for the new year.

Re: # 111I am sorry, I have not read the linked messages of all, nevertheless, when I read your, it appeared to me you had talked logics and as others were unable to match it properly they did not respond properly. Having said that I would like to answer some of your raised views as under:


``I would request anyone and everyone that, look even if you donot agree to what I said it does not make me a criminal or u a felon as I quoted earlier For you is your religion and for me is mine and as is my belief that our differences will be cleared up on the day of Judgment``

I fully agree with you, as it is part of the message of our Sura Al Qaferoon in Quran.

``I am glad you see it that way. Problem is that I suspect most of you folks will not waste a minute, if you were in a ruling majority, to put to sword anyone who expresses a different opinion. I know the game. You guys are vehemently for civil liberties and free speech when in the minority. The minute you folks are in control, the others become murtad, dhimmis, or munafiqs(if not outright kafirs) without any free speech rights. ``

Whether in majority or in minority, it really doesn`t matter when it cmes to abiding by the right thing in Islam. munafiq is the term I am familar with, so I can explain it to you which implies that you project yourself as someone that you are actually not, and is considered bad in Islam. Having said that, from the Sunnah I know that we are not to judge anyone`s faith, which is something that only the person in concern or Allah knows. Under these circumstances, it is recommended to accept the face value. However, if the person is exposed with evidences unrefusable and person admits as well, yeah judgement may be passed on for being Munafiq....(I don’t know if it was required by you or not...so ignore if you were not interested in this definition)

``Dude, does it bother you that Islamic `scholars` passed a death sentence on Salman Rushdie ...but cannot even decide if the Sept 11 event was wrong or not? If that is not abject perversion of morals, I don`t know what is!````

Sorry, over here you lost yourself and adopted uncivilized attitude and words, but as it appears it is an outcome of an earlier action of someone, I would prefer to overlook and still answer your question as it is the action which is more accountable than the reaction.

Salman Rushdie was sentenced, and I think rightly, for one`s freedom should ends where other`s feeling, faith, property, start. The sentence was in reaction to his writings in which he has crushed and tortured Muslim faith and feelings which he had no right to. Even if he had such feelings he should have kept it to himself, by making it public, he invited what he deserved.

Sept. 11, is a very simple case. In Islam you are instructed to save a life of an innocent, even if you have to break your salaat (prayer). Taking life is allowed only where the person has taken life of one of yours. So if the persons those died in 9/11 were involved in killings of the family members or relatives of those who made the attack, I would understand the massive move, else I would say it was a wrongful attack; all this is said and would be applicable if the assumed presumption that the Muslim militants representing Arab people did it, is true.