Is Jehad Passe’?

Re OmarAkram (#68):

You state … “Ahmeadis are not Muslims thats my opinon since there concept of their leader is 180 degree against the concept and belief of Finality of the Prophet …”

The concept of finality of prophethood has no Quranic basis. It is based upon incorrect interpretation of “khattam-un-Nabiyeen” verse, while other Quranic verses hinting at coming of later messengers are ignored.

The concept of “finality of prophethood” is derived mainly from ahadith where the Prophet (pbuh) reportedly stated that he is the last prophet. The supporters of this concept ignore other ahadith where coming of other prophets is hinted at by the dear Prophet (pbuh) himself.

There has been much anti-Ahmadiyya propaganda conducted by the mullahs in Pakistan. This is confirmed once again by a Pakistani friend who recently moved to the USA with family (San Jose, in northern California) and is taking deep interest in Ahmadi-Islam. He is surprised to discover that Ahmadi-Muslims are nothing like what the mullah in Paksitan described.

As an Ahmadi-Muslim I would like to point out that Ahmadis believe in the kalima, in Quran as the final and perfect word of Allah, in the status of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) as “khattam-un-Nabiyeen”, in other prophets and scriptures, in angels, in the day of judgment, and in all other articles of faith. They pray like other Muslims, recite Quran, pay zakat, fast during Ramadan, offer Haj, and more.

Declaring Ahmadis as non-Muslims has no basis in Islam. It stems from the corrupt mullahs acting like “thaekaedars” of Islam, forcing their interpretation of Islam on others, while declaring as “kaffirs” those disagree with them.

Asad

IT seems that you have the illusions of Non-Muslims being your friends You have so much to say about Jihad well let me just quote a small verse from Quran. I dont expect to convince you or infact anyone else who has the illusions that adapting to someother code of living will change things:

``.....What reason could you have for not fighting in the Way of Allah - for those men, women and children who are oppressed and say, ``Our Lord, take us out of this city whose inhabitants are wrongdoers! Give us a protector from You! Give us a helper from You!``? (Surat an-Nisa: 75) ....``

Lissen I am not going to ask you or infact anyone else to leave Pakistan and go some where else since you have right of opinon too (unlike some replies who said politely and in quite rude manner to leave UK and go for Afghansiatn, who knows who has been to which places)...

Well you say that I live in a place of security and good life let me just give you a couple of examples how safe and secure this place is:

1. Just after Sept 11 (late sept) there was an Afgan taxi driver who was hit with a broken bottle in his head and that poor man is paralised from neck down (a colateral damage)this happened in Surrey Just outside the town of Woking....

2. With the level of muggings here, Lahore or infact Gadoonamazai looks like a heaven by any standard. (dont tell me what i do know about Pakistan I have lived in the two stated placed for around 14 years).

3. Lately in a town i live in on 24th Dec a girl around 15 years of age was raped by a group of 14 year old boys... the disgraceful act was captured on CCTV (this is no isolated incident)but no charges were made despite a case being filed etc

look these are not isolated events if someone thinks life is quite rosey here then think again these things happen here too and that too at an alarming rate.

about you asking/requiring an apology towards hindus and other non muslims dont you remember when Allah says in quran and that too quite categorically that Jews and Christian will never be your friends and well wishers (i will Inshallah get the correct and exact translation as well) so why shouldi treat them as I do a Muslim. They have to be treated as ordinary Humans and nothing more ...

If you think that Muslims in India are very happy with their current status well I am not sure if I can agree with you on this.. does the Hindu-Muslim riots after the Babari Mosque ring any bells to you??? oh and one more point just to elaborate, I had hired a driver back in Middle East while I was on a project there for navigation purpose, he happened to be from Hayderabad India. I asked him how is his life there and he gave a very honest answer, they were just a few words but let me quote them to you ``If I am living with Muslims I feel secure than in Hayderabad`` then I asked him why dont you move over to Pakistan and he said ``then my relatives will be persecuted as traitors`` now thats quite a motivation isent it.

``....My comments: In Afghanistan, people clearly rejoiced being freed from the evil rule of the taliban. If this is ``extremely wrong`` to you, I suggest you leave your cozy home in UK and go to Kabul and tell the Afghans that. I think you will find yourself in for some rough treatment...``

It seems to me that your thought process some how or the other is restricted to Afghanistan I am talking about Muslims throughout the world. Why is it thatyou fail to recognise that hundreds of innocent people died when US airforce leveled a hospital in Herat, the General appearing live in the press confrence said `` We appear to have hit an old folks home by mistake`` now you tell me how many old folks homes do you have in Pakistan it is certainly absured to think of them there in Afghanistan. How many of the deaths in afghanistan had gone unreported by world media I guess we will never know ...

Regarding the manner you contradicted the Hadith well I have nothing to say to you it seems that you have seen it out of perspective and I will hopefully get the complete source of the Hadith in the coming days Ishallah...

Lissen If Idol worshipers were so good towards islam and muslims why on earth did they persicute muslims with wars etc.?

I am not the kind of person who says kill all in the name of Religion but I would certainly stand for some one who has been targeted because he/she is a Muslim and wants to live in a muslim home land (if the majority wants to do so)if some one says why not move to a Muslim country then our whole struggle for Pakistan was flawed..

I donot like to get into arguments with you or anyone else since as saighph quoted a verse

`` for you is your religion and for me is mine``

and we will only find out who is right on the day of Judgment and on that day no one will have any excuse then.

Here is a ``mother of all editorials`` from a true son of Pakistan - Najm Sethi -- in one of his bluntest rebuke to Pakistan`s military for its knee-jerk fossilized foreign policy – vis a vis its closest neighbor -- and closest RELATIVE – India.

Kashmir is not worth another insane WAR between Pakistan and India -- for heavens sake.

Fresh Start Needed

Editorial

by Najm Sethi

Friday Times



Pakistan’s military leaders have had a propensity for adventure unmatched by other dependent states in the modern age.

Irrespective of the rights or wrong of the issue, Pakistani army generals provoked military conflict with India in 1965, 1971 and 1999.

In the process, Pakistan has had to sign unequal ceasefires (Tashkent), submit to humiliating surrenders (Bangla Desh) or accept forced withdrawals (Kargil.

It was, however, General Zia ul Haq who believed that Pakistan was in a win win situation in Afghanistan. But he was wrong.

If the legacy of the various wars with India is a reinforcement of historical pride and prejudice, the legacy of our “involvement” in Afghanistan is even more pervasive and poisonous.

It has derailed the post cold war impulse for political democracy, created the demon of bloody sectarianism, raised the spectre of violent fundamentalism, stamped a militaristic ethos on society and created a powerful but unaccountable state within the state.



The ISI’s writ has spread far and wide, at home and abroad.

Indeed, in recent times, an unprecedented and worrying development had begun to manifest itself with senior ISI operatives being invited as a matter of state policy into the precincts of GHQ and civilian government and also slotted into senior command positions in the army and vice versa.

This was in sharp contrast to the situation before our involvement in Afghanistan when no more than Brigadiers ran the ISI and army chiefs tended to frown upon overly active roles for former ISI-types in regular army matters.

Thus the ISI was actually poised to become a state in itself and for itself if the Afghanistan debacle hadn’t compelled General Musharraf to rein it in and freeze its more adventurous external operations.



Clearly, the ISI’s twenty-year “adventure” in Afghanistan is the worst thing to happen to Pakistan’s state and society in fifty years of independence.

One dismal but stark manifestation of this fact is that our army now has to defend not just our eastern borders with India as part of an old historical reality but also our western border with Afghanistan as part of a new self-inflicted injury.

Latest reports say that we have been obliged to move over 50,000 soldiers and 150,000 para-military troops to the border with Afghanistan in order to stop infiltration of Al-Qaeda terrorists into our tribal areas.

And we are being obliged to do this in a security environment in which India is threatening to overrun our borders in hot pursuit of “terrorists” allegedly trained and supported by us while the international community is clucking in sympathy with its plight.



If there is a silver lining in the cloud, could it be, ironically enough, General Musharraf? Here is a man who has acted decisively and courageously to win international support for Pakistan’s ailing economy by swiftly abandoning a thoroughly bad foreign policy in Afghanistan. He has also held out an olive branch to India by showing flexibility on Kashmir, even though India hasn’t yet had the sense to recognize the true value of his initiative. He has reined in the ISI by suitable postings, transfers and retirements. He has shunted intractably rigid-types from GHQ. And he has risked the wrath of the religious extremists by clamping down on them in the national interest. This is a great start in the right direction.

But much more needs to be done to reverse the tide.



Let us admit it. After Afghanistan, our biggest foreign policy failure is in Kashmir.

From 1947 to 1965, we beseeched the UN to grant us Kashmir in vain. We then tried to stir revolt in the valley and triggered a destabilizing war with India. After 1971, we buried the Kashmir issue at Simla and forgot about the UN resolutions abroad.

We then woke up in the 1990s to foment trouble in Kashmir after New Delhi had made a mess of things in the 1980s.

In the last ten years, we have exported Islamic revolution to Kashmir and provoked untold brutalities on the Kashmiris by India’s security forces.

In exchange, we have paid the price of urban terrorism in Karachi and elsewhere sponsored by India. We have undermined civil society and democratic pluralism by relinquishing political space to extremist jehadi organizations.

We have piled up debt in order to fuel the cold war with India and scared away potential foreign investors.

And we have pulled the rug from under the feet of elected political representatives who dared to think of smoking the peace pipe with New Delhi.

Now we are being pushed into a conflict with India by the very extremists who have already dashed our hopes in Afghanistan.

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Isn’t it time to change a policy of perennial warring with India into a policy of enduring peace with our neighbours?

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We have barely managed to survive a highly destablising debacle in Afghanistan whose end is not yet in sight.

But we might not be so lucky in the event of a conflict with India over Kashmir. Putting Pakistan first means doing it not just vis a vis Afghanistan policy but also vis a vis Kashmir policy. Nothing less than that will constitute a safe and secure fresh start for the country.(FT)

From The Pioneer

History sheet of a rogue state

A Surya Prakash

Within two months of its creation, Pakistan sent armed tribesmen into Jammu & Kashmir in October, 1947. The operation, which was supervised by the Pakistani Army, was a major success. The tribesmen overran large parts of the state and were on the verge of capturing Srinagar. The state`s Maharaja signed the Instrument of Accession in the nick of time, enabling Indian forces to save Srinagar, and at least partially push back the infiltrators.

As the battle continued, the Prime Ministers of the two countries met at Lahore in December, 1947. Prime Minister Nehru wanted his counterpart Liaqat Ali Khan to appeal to the intruders to withdraw. Khan pleaded his inability to do so. He told the Indians that he ran a government of ``moderates`` and that if he issued such an appeal, there was every danger of his Government being replaced by extremists. The Indian leadership fell for this argument.





The history of the subcontinent is replete with such incidents. From its inception, the Pakistani leadership has made ``anti-Indianism`` Pakistan`s raison d`être and has often upped the ante. But when its plans go awry and India gets ready for the kill, rationalists come off the wood work on both sides of the border and inveigle the Indian leadership to make concessions so that ``there be lasting peace`` or because ``there is danger of extremists gaining control in Pakistan``. Here are some more examples: In August, 1965, Pakistan once again sent thousands of infiltrators into J&K. Indian troops repulsed the attack and a war broke out in which India captured several strategic points on the Pakistani side of the state. India lost some territory in the Chhamb Sector, but Pakistan`s losses were critical. The United Nations intervened and called for a ceasefire. Following the cessation of hostilities, Pakistan`s Foreign Minister Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto swore in the Security Council that Pakistan would launch a thousand-year war against India. When the Indian delegation walked out in protest, Bhutto said ``the Indian dogs are going home``.

Later, under pressure from the Soviets, Prime Minister Lal Bahadur Shastri chased the chimera of peace and bartered away the gains of the War at the Tashkent Summit. The leaders of the two countries signed an agreement which said both sides will abjure force, will not interfere in the internal affairs of each other and will honour the terms of the ceasefire in J&K. Shastri died of a heart attack hours after he signed the accord. Pakistan President Ayub Khan, having won back the strategic areas lost in war, was laughing all the way to Rawalpindi and the foul-mouthed Bhutto was rubbishing even this accord. Yet, Sardar Swaran Singh, the Indian Foreign Minister, was deluding himself and Parliament by claiming that Shastri had succeeded in reversing the trend in the subcontinent ``and in stabilising peace between the two countries``.

One must only read the debate in the Lok Sabha in February, 1966 on the Tashkent Agreement to understand the extent to which Indians can fool themselves. Swaran Singh told the House that the was ``fully satisfied`` that the question of infiltrators was not likely to arise hereafter! One Congress MP after another was hailing the accord and urging the Government to forget the conflict and to expand trade, cultural and other ties with Pakistan.

The winter of 1971 saw yet another conflict between the two countries. Pakistan`s military dictatorship led by Yahya Khan cracked down on freedom fighters in the eastern wing of the country, leading to a flood of ten million refugees into India. The war ended with the creation of Bangladesh but there was much more humiliation in store for Pakistan. India had also captured 5000 square miles of its territory in the west and 93,000 of its soldiers as PoWs. Prime Minister Indira Gandhi had acted with courage and conviction and given the Pakistanis a sound thrashing. She was now determined to end the ``Kashmir problem`` once and for all by getting Pakistan to accept the Line of Control in Jammu and Kashmir as the international border. This would be the trade off for Pakistan getting back 5000 square miles of lost territory and 93,000 PoWs.

Following the defeat, Bhutto replaced Yahya Khan and once again India was under pressure from the superpowers to reach a settlement with Pakistan. Bhutto came to Shimla minus the bluster of 1966. He wanted his 93,000 soldiers back as also the territories captured by the Indian Army in the western sector. And just when she was ready to put the knife in, the ``men of reason`` were at work once again. They argued that ``Pakistan had suffered enough humiliation``, ``since a civilian-Bhutto- has replaced a military dictatorship, India must be magnanimous and help bolster democracy in Pakistan``. Such was the clout of Pakistan`s friends both within India and outside, that they even trapped the mighty Indira Gandhi with their mumbo-jumbo and forced her to let Bhutto and Pakistan off the hook. And mind you, all for the sake of promoting democracy in Pakistan! Following this reprieve, the dog`s tail resumed its original curvature and ``democrat`` Bhutto was barking again against India and encouraging insurgents in Indian states until he was shown the door by Gen Zia ul Haq. Zia hanged Bhutto and undid many of Bhutto`s policies except one-anti-India operations. Democrats Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharief succeeded the military dictator and reversed many of his policies but continued the ``hate-India`` campaign. Yet, the ``agents of reason`` were at work again, pressuring Indian Prime Ministers to ``bolster democracy in Pakistan``. This fraudulent thesis forced even Atal Bihari Vajpayee to undertake a sham bus journey to Lahore, chasing the chimera of peace. Within weeks of this gesture, ``democrat`` Nawaz Sharief showed his true colours and sent infiltrators into Kargil in April, 1999. Around 400 valiant soldiers laid down their lives retrieving the Kargil heights for India.

Gen Musharraf succeeded Sharief and promptly banished him from Pakistan. The ``men of reason`` on this side of the border were back at work. They declared him `` a gentleman-dictator`` and forced the Government to recognise his regime and to invite him for a summit meet in Agra. They hailed his ``body language`` and his ``courage`` for laying a wreath at Mahatma Gandhi`s samadhi! The General is now showing his true colours and living up to the foul-mouthed tradition laid down by his predecessors.

Indian naivetè, it seems, knows no bounds. How many more soldiers do we need to sacrifice to appease these ``men of reason`` and to keep them in business so that they may crowd the opinion pages of our newspapers? Some of them are in our Parliament too and every time they open their mouth, it costs us tax payers Rs 15,700 a minute (even an STD call to God would be cheaper). For how long do we underwrite this and for what purpose?

We must now end this habit of glossing over the facts of history. The nation should no longer be hostage to the flawed reasoning of a few. Whether democrat or military dictator, every Pakistani leader is the same. He cannot go against Pakistan`s ``Janam Kundli``. It is a rogue state with a terrible history-sheet. It must live on the spurious thesis that gave birth to it and wage a constant battle against secular India to sustain itself.

Some day in the present millennium secular India may have a civilising influence over Pakistan and the latter may become a secular democracy. That is the time when India should extend the hand of friendship. Until then, secular India must break all ties with this communal state that has made terrorism an instrument of state policy. Meanwhile, India, the world`s largest democracy, must not shirk its responsibility. It must pursue the immediate agenda-``aar ya paar``-to avenge December 13 and to uphold liberal, secular and democratic values in the world.

P.S. Pardesi, Earlier Article was also from the same paper.

re ali1 78

``Why do you insist on deporting any desi who does not agree with you 100%? Not just from the US but from Britain too!``

I have never said anything close to that. If you cannot find arguments, why do you have to be cowardly and imagine things?

For the record I am a civil libertarian. As for saving me, as the old Bengali saying goes, `Rakhe Allah, maare ke`.

re sattar

Sattar sahib, your patience astounds me. These nuts keep on saying the nastiest things and questioning your deepest held beliefs. And yet, you have never crossed the line of decorum. Heck, you have ebery right to say that these folks are non-Muslims!

EIther way, hats off to you. We all can learn from your cordiality and humility.

Re Jaish-e-Mohammad (#57):

Sahib, your hateful attitude towards others is most disgusting and disturbing. There is no place for such nonsense in Islam, as it contradicts the very essence of humanity and Quranic teachings.

Violent fundamentalists like you are an embarrassment to humanity. Such doctrines as yours have caused much bloodshed throughout the history of mankind and have always exploited and harmed the innocents in the name of religion.

Individuals like you are the enemies of mankind and Islam. The world needs to get rid of lunatics of your kind … not by violence, but through education and learning the true message of peace and compassion for all given by Islam and by every religion of God.

Asad

EDUCATION AND PAKISTANIS,

It is amusing to read the scholarly discussions about ahmadias, are they muslims or not. What is significant in this posts by the educated pakistanis is that no one wants to talk about what each paki has to declare on the passport. The dicussions implicitly accepts that if ahmadias are not muslims, then the treatment of abdus salam and what is on the passport is fair.

Chowk has proved only onething, if all of the universities in pakistan are nuked, there would be no loss to the country, it is a place where education makes no difference to the beliefs of the people. I like the jihadists, at least they believe in what they have learned. May it time that the pakitanis changed the topic to euthenasis of a nation.

An excerpt from an article (An Islamic Fifth Column) in Wall Street Journal (Dec 26) op-ed page -

``.. Mohammad Junaid, the NY born Pakistani-American, who after Sept. 11, ditched his $70,000-a-year job as computer techie joined the Taliban to ``kill Americans``. He did so to the cheers of his mother, who, astonishingly, had been rescued from the world Trade Center.``

The article is written by Farrukh Dhondy, a writer living in England.

He is blaming Anglo liberals for Pakistani Mill workers’ stupidities in UK. Their children and grand children are joining jihadi ranks.

Some one with access to WSJ e-copy, please provide the full article. It will be an eye opener.

#51 shammi

India would do well to make the cost of jihadi sposorship by pakistan unacceptably high WITHOUT going to war. Anyone can go to war and end up destroying a lot of things. I don`t think you`d disagree with that. Aborogating the Indus river treaty is an act of war. Pakistan would be sure to retaliate. If india starts building a dam, pakistan could blow up the dam and still not be rebuked for it, because that would be a just act. (BTW, i have doubts about how much india could do to retain the river water because many of the tributaries originate in tibet).

India could present the evidence (without risking the sources) to the UN and demand action against pakistan as a signatory to the anti-terrorism treaty. There`s a hundred ways to skin the cat but we must not hit out in anger.

SATTAR #79

....As an Ahmadi-Muslim I would like to point out that Ahmadis believe in the kalima, in Quran as the final and perfect word of Allah, in the status of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) as “khattam-un-Nabiyeen”, in other prophets and scriptures, in angels, in the day of judgment, and in all other articles of faith. They pray like other Muslims, recite Quran, pay zakat, fast during Ramadan, offer Haj, and more.....``

Asad Sb.

Iam sorry to learn that the only Ahmediya that corresponded openly here ,shows double talk on this forum.On the thread now in the back stage from the front page ,you discuss with NASAH explaining that in Koran Mohommed is not said to be the final prophet & you dont believe so too b/c you consider Koran as your imaan

Here to Sunni audience on front page you say you ``Mohommdur rasool allah ``therefore you believe in finality of prophet .What is it ?

OmarAkram # 80

Am I in violation of the Quran by counting several Christians as my friends and seeing a Jewish physician for 5 years now?

In my humble opinion, muslim youth in Britain are being seriously misguided by fanatic Wahabis who use literalist, selective and out of context translations of Quranic verses to suit their political agendas.

Please do this. Search the Quran for all references to Christians and then checkout the context from some tafseer written by a Sunni or Shia rather than a Wahabi Mullah. You might be surprised.

Do you think the Christian King of Ethopia (Habsha) who gave refuge to muslims was an enemy of Islam? Do you know what our Prophet said when he died?

… “Ahmeadis are not Muslims”(Omar Akram)

What an arrogant self delusional meanest excuse to persecute a whole community– as if Islam is the personal property of the likes of Mr. Omar Akram.

I say -- Ahmedis are 100% Muslims – they are gentler and kinder Muslims – they are 100% entitled to interpret Islam as they want to – among so many other interpreters of Islam.

It is difficult to forgive ZAB for the crime he committed against this educated Muslim community.

Personally I don’t know much about Mirza Ahmed –except what I heard from my father in my childhood, who -- in the beginning 30’s -- was one of the editors of a Lahore newspaper – Zafar Ali Khan’s Zamindar -- that used to make fun of “that court clerk” Mirza and his love for Hamida Begum.

But now I think Mirza was a great reformist – who forged -- such an educated, dedicated, intellectual, civilized, and peaceful community of Muslims -- out of the Cauldron of Restless, Wild, Innovative Punjabis.

On this board the gentle civilized discourse that comes out of Mr. Sattar’s pen is evidence of the sophistication of this 100% MUSLIM community.

OmarAkram #80 Let me first say that I think you are a decent person, but you see only a part of the picture.

You say ``Allah says in quran and that too quite categorically that Jews and Christian will never be your friends and well wishers`` I dont think this is a universal statement. It is one of the parts of the Quran that are applicable within the limited context of those times (just like there are passages in the Quran that call upon muslims not to speak in a voice louder than that of the Prophet when in his presence - clearly this passage was meant for those times only, just as the passages providing guidelines for the wives of the Prophet).

There are a number of references elsewhere in the Quran on these matters and the over-all message is along the lines I had mentioned. See for example, Surah Rum where the Quran speaks of a battle in a ``distant land`` (Iran) where the believers (the Christian Roman Empire) were in retreat before the non-believers (the Iranians), and the Quran speaks in most affectionate terms that ultimate victory would be of the Roman armies. In Surah Baqarah (which is a kind of an Executive Summary of the Quran), it is stated that all individuals, regardless of religion, will be judged by God. And this message is repeated later as well. Please trust your eyes and brains when reading the Quran (the Quran itself calls for this) even if it goes against what you have been told. I think you will come out agreeing with me - muslims are enjoined to respect all faiths, and to live in peace and with affection with their fellow men whoever they may be.

As for the incidents in UK you mention: I have not lived in the UK for any length of time, so cannot comment. The times I have been there (about a dozen times for a few days each over the past 20 years), I have found the Brits to be a good-natured and gracious people (from the immigration officials to strangers in their underground trains, as well as co-workers). That is just my personal experience, so I wont dispute what you say. Let us be more charitable to our fellow humans whatever their nationality of religion: no society is crime free, prejudice is rooted in people. But some societies are more civilized than others, and on balance I think British society is miles ahead of Pakistani society in terms of checks and balances against unfair treatment of the weak by the strong. Indian society may be around the same level as Pakistani (you point to Babri, I can point to the treatment of Ahmedis in Pakistan - and I am a sunni muslim who is ashamed of the treatment of Ahmedis). But let us have the intellectual honesty and humilitiy to see where we are relative to where we should be. And do what little we can as individuals to do the right thing.

News Item from Dawn: ``The United States has formally placed Lashkar-i-Tayyaba and Jaish-i-Mohammad on the state department`s list of officially designated terrorist organizations.``

Very good news. These organizations are no different than the taliban insofar as they think they have made it their God-given right to take over a society through force. There is no more room in a civilized country for such organizations than there is for gangs of armed bandits. They have nothing to do with Islam, everything to do with political ambitions.

Let us just hope that the current crisis stops short of war breaking out between Pakistan and India. It would be a tragedy if brave soldiers and innocent civilians on both sides lose their lives on account of these criminals.

The General can only take you to war (as he has done in the past). As far as India is concerned, India has been fighting a war. It is only now acknowledging that it NEEDS to fight cause the Islamists will keep fighting till death or till everything is PURE enough Islamically for them.

So make sure you have your soorma on, cause when dem virgins come a calling you want to look good dont you ....... (sic !!!!!!) kyaa ideology hai ? Wah re pakistan kyaa teraa Islam ..... Allah O Akbar