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Zehra Rizvi December 22, 2001

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#88 Posted by username on December 28, 2001 1:08:14 am
RSaxena Reply #: 78

``dang, uncle shammi`s whipping uncle romair``

ahan, fine... but what I`m unable to understand is why is Romair`s proposition such a major pain in the butt for YOU and is making you jump up and down as if somebody`s shoved sumthing up your...?!? I mean, you shud be more concerned with where your country wud be 50 yrs from now instead of worrying your head over whether Pakistanis would be able to ssuck up to, who you`ve been referring to as ``chaptas`` (like HELLOOO, as if you belong to some incredibly gorgeous and stunningly pulchritudinous race... RELAX, have a look at your bhai bandaz in campuses on east coast, that might help you just a bit in setting your feet on ground!) I guess your `prime-example-of-brevity-at-its-best` post (Reply #: 78) was coming from somewhere else... kinda shows your desperation to prove Romair wrong, if not by yourself then by any one else at all. Ok, let`s assume for a second that Pakistan would not become China`s Canada, Mexico or even anything close to that (which, in my opinion, is not something to be REALLY proud of anywayz!). So what does that prove? Pakistan will be DOOMED!!!. Fine, if that makes you feel better. Now relax and try to catch all the sleep that you`ve missed for the last two or three nights.



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#87 Posted by hamzadafaqui on December 28, 2001 1:08:14 am
And Now some more news-------Not from CNN(Certainly Not News).

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RHYMES IN SUPPORT OF USAMA BIN LADIN IN SOUTH KOREAN SCHOOLS

SEOUL (International Desk): Young kids in South Korean schools have disturbed the authorities by singing songs in support of Usama Bin Ladin. According to local media sources, in the schools of the South Korean city of Posan and its interior province, the authorities have made special arrangements to stop the kids from singing songs in favour of Usama Bin Ladin. Education officers in Posan have also been ordered to stop the kids from singing songs in favour of Usama Bin Ladin, and explain to them the 11th September events and the War against Terrorism headed by the American Government. According to the South Korean newspaper, Jongang, the kids sing the following song in support of Usama Bin Ladin:

``I like Usama Bin Ladin very much.

I`ll become a terrorist when I grow up

The American President Bush is the personality I hate most``

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#86 Posted by shammi on December 28, 2001 1:08:14 am
US PASSES ATTACK PROOF TO PERVEZ

``Evidence gathered by India about the involvement of the Lashkar-e-Toiba and Jaish-e-Mohammad in the attack on Parliament is now in the hands of General Pervez Musharraf...``

http://www.telegraphindia.com/front_pa.htm#head2



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#85 Posted by Binifer on December 27, 2001 1:57:46 pm
miss anNy

Mar jain aap kaheen jakar. The `I hope they marry` bit was a smart move- couldnt figure out who the hell you were talking about. Manhoos aurat.

Your `best bud` is overjoyed at being called a male bimbo- cracks up every few minutes.

I am stuck between nut cases.



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#84 Posted by harimau on December 27, 2001 1:57:46 pm
Ref Headshrinker #: 80

[tsk tsk tsk...boy, she gave you guys a mouthful. Serves you right for getting her stressed out ``at that time of the month``. Believe me, I know; I`ve been married to someone for 20 years who sounds like anNy:)) ]

Men are from Mars

Women are from Venus

But you are a Klingon from Uranus



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#83 Posted by harimau on December 27, 2001 1:57:46 pm
Ref shammi #: 73

[Re: Romair

``...China is building a port in Gwadar...``]

And I am opening the Salome (of the Seven Burqas} Bar in Gwadar.



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#82 Posted by shammi on December 27, 2001 1:57:46 pm
Re: Romair

Couldn`t resist a few more…

``…Our (China & Pakistan) views on nearly all international issues are similar….``

You mean like on CTBT, NPT, NATO intervention in Kosovo, Gulf War, Vietnam War, Korean War, Pakistan`s Taleban policy, East Timor, relations with Indonesia/ Saudi Arabia, etc? Am I missing some? Enlighten me, please.

``And we have a lot to offer China ..Land to grow crops….``

So will this be in the form of a permanent lease of Punjabi agriculture plots to Chinese farmers imported from their poorest provinces? Or will it be what the rest of world does - buy and sell agricultural commodities? The latter, of course, gives the buyer to switch suppliers with ease to find the lowest-priced sellers. Canadian wheat will remain more abundant and cheaper the Pakistani wheat. Ditto for American soybeans, and hogs bellies.

``…And hopefully someday highly skilled labor to augment their booming economy…``

Just like Pakistani skilled labor has done wonders for the Europeans, Japanese and the Americans? In case you didn`t notice, the Chinese have no shortage of labor (skilled & unskilled). They want capital and high technology. And that, Pakistan lacks.



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#81 Posted by sac on December 26, 2001 11:48:31 pm
re shammi #74:

China`s so called economic prowess is built upon an exclusively export-oriented policy with the foreign exchange parked in the form of US treasuries in institutions abroad. Its an exact replica of the policies pursued by Japan in the 70s and 80 and later on by the so-called Asian tigers. The ROmairs of this world whose only exposure seems to be works of linear economists like Shahid Javed Burki are the same sort of people who extrapolated Cisco and Walmart revenues to grow exponentially to predict that they would ultimately end up selling everything sold anywhere. Most of the same thinking permeated the dot-com madness. The results are there for everyone to see. Hence Blue horseshoe and his current fascination with China........

anNy #74:

I am an ardent devotee of bimbohood also. Your paean celebrating the joys of bimbohood deserves to be handed over to be memorized by every bespectacled intellectual with bad breath. BTW what`s the stress all about? I thought the exams were over.....time for some joyriding in the Alto???(without the dupatta I hope :)

username:

Yaar why do we have to decide everything as a nation? What happened to the freedom of choice? How about first deciding as a nation whether we`ll relieve ourselves standing up or sitting down?

later

-sac



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#80 Posted by Romair on December 26, 2001 11:48:31 pm
shankar #68: My computer business is basically me and my part-time Indian partner/accountant. My grandfather, from pre-partition days, once told me (with due apologies to our good friend Harpeet :-)), ``jeeri sohni, ooh sikhni; jeera jhalla, ooh sikh; jeera hushyar, ooh hindu; jeera laraka, ooh musla......

The whole thing is a lot longer and rhymes. But I have followed his advice. So my South Indian Hindu partner (whose last name I still cannot pronounce) makes all the major high level business decisions (which contract to sign, etc.). I make the sale, and execute on our plan, as a consultant, with start-up companies. The recent dot com crash has effected us adversely, so I have a lot of time to spend on Chowk, now.

I have very little knowledge of my own on China, apart from their food. I have never been there, although I am aware of the military joint programs going on between China and Pakistan. All of them are very promising, and I cannot see why these joint ventures would not role over to the private sector soon. I have, however, followed the views of world level Pakistani economists/businessmen like Shahid Burki, Razzaq Dawood, Shaukut Aziz, Moeen Qureshi, Safi Qureshi etc., and have just repeated them here.

In twenty-five years, China will only be ahead of the US in one area. And that is the total size of its economy. The reason Japan was unable to achieve this was because it has half the population of the USA. China has four times the population, and thus needs to only have 1/4th the per-capita income. Which it will have. It already has 1/8th.

In all other social areas like law, domestic human rights, environment protection, technology, freedom, living standards etc., the USA and the West will remain ahead. The US will be one of the top five best countries to live in the world. And China maybe in the thirties, somewhere. But all Pakistan is concerned with is the amount of goods Pakistan can export to China. And the amount of technology and economic joint projects Pakistan can import from China. Pakistanis do not need to start copying the Chinese society, they just need to start selling to the Chinese.

The reason China has been able to create a boom is because it has slowly transformed its economic system from a socialist one to a capatilist one. Unlike the Soviets, who attempted the transformation too quickly and abruptly. Slowly, the Chinese society is evolving into a more open one also. The wealthier the Chinese get, the easier this will be. I have a Chinese friend who was one of the student protestors in Tianeman square. He says, he now thanks God the protestors did not achieve much success in Tianeman. He is quite happy with a slow transformation, rather than a quick one.

I heard Mooen Qureshi of World Bank once state that he had met all the major leaderships in the world. And he found the Chinese leadership to be, by far, the most shrewd.

I think China sees the potential of Pakistan far more clearly than Pakistanis see it themselves. That is why China has gone out of its way to keep close relations with Pakistan, even though China currently does not gain anything major from Pakistan. In a sense, this must be very frustrating for China, since Pakistan keeps screwing up its vast potential, again and again.

However, I think now China seems have developed faith in Musharraf, and more importantly, in his bright economic team, and seems to be willing to make big-time investments in Pakistan, now. The second biggest part of the Pakistani budget (defence) is already very deeply intertwined with China.

I think every major decision made in Pakistan (nuclear explosion, current support in Afghan conflict, etc.) is made after detailed advice and consultations from the Chinese leadership. I wouldn`t be surprised if Musharraf is on the phone right now, discussing the current Indo-Pak crisis with the Chinese leadership.



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#79 Posted by arjun_m on December 26, 2001 11:48:31 pm
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#77 Posted by shankar on December 26, 2001 11:48:31 pm
anNy,

#70

That was an absolutely , hilariously, intelligently intelligent post:)))!

Boy, we oughta get you mad more often!

sac, zafar,

tsk tsk tsk...boy, she gave you guys a mouthful. Serves you right for getting her stressed out ``at that time of the month``. Believe me, I know; I`ve been married to someone for 20 years who sounds like anNy:))

After making those sexist remarks, I`d better run because I see anNy at the cyber-horizon charging at me, swishing her pigtail like Bhimsen swishes his gadha!



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#76 Posted by rsaxena on December 26, 2001 11:48:31 pm
re: saminashah #69

as new yorkers who love this city, we both can at least thank him for his handling of 9-11, which as you correctly claim was simply what he was supposed to do as mayor...but how many politicians do we know who do what they are supposed to do, let alone exceed our expectations?...

imagine what india or pakistan might have become if either had a rudy leading it...actually, maybe you shouldn`t answer that :)



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#75 Posted by rsaxena on December 26, 2001 11:48:31 pm
dang, uncle shammi`s whipping uncle romair



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#74 Posted by hamzadafaqui on December 26, 2001 11:48:31 pm
What CNN(Certainly Not News)---would never tell you.

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TORA BORA (Institute for Islamic Studies and Research): During the last week, the Hamza Al-Ghamidi unit in the Tora Bora region has shot down four American warplanes and killed approximately 140 US Special Forces soldiers in a series of daily, multiple ambushes. Having withdrawn from parts of Tora Bora about ten days ago, the Mujahideen split up into small units in order to engage US Paratroopers that had dropped in the region in order to search its caves. Due to the cowardly nature of the American troops, they dropped `Hummvee` jeeps and armoured vehicles with the soldiers. In a series of well-planned, multiple daily ambushes, the Hamza Al-Ghamidi unit attacked several bases and units of the Crusaders, killing approximately 140 of them. For the hypocrites and those with diseased hearts, such a figure is difficult to expect. However, in comparison with Mujahideen ambushes in Chechnya, a figure of 20 soldiers killed per day in multiple attacks, is actually quite small. It should be larger, but where it has not been possible to determine enemy dead, a lower figure has been given. The question arises, do the Mujahideen go round and count each dead body to arrive at these figures? The answer is that some dead bodies are clearly left behind and counted, whilst others are estimated from the number of destroyed vehicles. For example, if a Hummvee jeep with a normal capactiy of eight troops is destroyed and burnt to the shell, one can be confident that all eight troops on board were killed. As for the four warplanes, they were shot down using ordinary Anti-Aircraft weapons.

This report refutes the false claims by the World`s media that the war is over in North East Afghanistan. Rather, it is proof that the promised guerilla war by the Mujahideen has begun and time will tell who was lying and who was speaking the truth.

There are no Chechen Mujahideen in Tora Bora, as has been repeatedly claimed by the Crusader media, that there are 200 of them. At no stage during the fighting in Tora Bora have there been any Chechen Mujahideen. These claims are made by the media in cheap attempts to `incriminate` the Chechens as terrorists linked to Usama Bin Ladin, whom it is worthy to fight and kill.



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#73 Posted by shammi on December 26, 2001 4:35:21 pm
Re: Romair

``...Musharraf has also stated he will not support the state of East Turkmenastan (in China)...Pakistan has accepted the third option of independent Kashmir (from another board)...``

Romair, do you think that the world runs according to what Musharraf (or you) want or don`t want? Even if it is blatantly hypocritical and contradictory? Anyway, you are not fooling any of us here.



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