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#120 Posted by hamzadafaqui on December 30, 2001 2:24:26 pm
In case some ignomaruses are still flaunting their western education & degrees(arty/farty only)from the western universities.
To the Aboo-Jahals of the Bhoora-Goraas:READ!--in the name of the Madrassas you never attended.READ!
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New York Journalist Recommends Military Action Against Arab News Station, Al Jazeera
Middle East News Online
By Hatem Anwar, Middle East News Online Reporter
Posted Monday October 15, 2001 - 11:03:56 AM EDT
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New York, USA - A writer openly advocated shutting down Al Jazeera, one of the most objective news stations in the Arab world, using military action.
Zev Chafets said that the news station propagates hate and should not be allowed to broadcast its programming.
Al Jazeera is unique in the Middle East for being the only news station that allows both competing opinions to openly debate sensitive issues, which were tabooed by state- controlled media for decades.
Al Jazeera was applauded by the United States for years and seen as a center of democracy in the Middle East. However, the station`s objectiveness while covering the war against Afghanistan has provoked angry comments by top American diplomats who demanded that Al Jazeera should ``tone it down``.
Using the New York Daily News as a medium to spread his ideas about military action against Al-Jazeera, Chafets claimed that ``Al Jazeera is the favorite network of Bin Laden. It provides him with an unedited forum for his calls to jihad.`` He stated ``Al Jazeera is far from legitimate. It is an Arab propaganda outfit controlled by the medieval government of Qatar that masquerades as a real media company.
For years, it has inflamed the Arab world against the United States and its allies. Its occasional interviews with Western statesmen, such as Secretary of State Powell, are designed to provide it with a fig leaf of objectivity.`` The writer expressed his concerns that by allowing Al Jazeera to freely broadcast from Afghanistan as fighting intensify would hurt the US image.
``Since the start of the American bombing, Al Jazeera has transmitted grainy pictures of the Afghan sky. But that will change. Soon the actual fighting will intensify, and we will be shown scenes of death and destruction and hear the cries of children. Men on the street will deplore the terrorism the Great Satan is visiting on innocent civilians. The suffering will be real.`` ``America cannot conceivably win the kind of war being waged against it without removing the threat of mass destruction. That means defeating and disarming the Islamic Axis. A struggle of this size inevitably will bring about major casualties.`` Although freedom of press in the United States allowed for free broadcasting of the war in Vietnam, the idea of having an Arab station carrying out such a task is a troublesome for the writer, who used dramatic terminology to express his views. ``Al Jazeera`s role is to present that killing as an unjustified slaughter, to bring the war into American living rooms as a horror show of satanic cruelty, starring President Bush as Dracula.`` He lamented ``A couple weeks ago, the State Department politely asked the government of Qatar to tone down Al Jazeera. The United States can`t expect favors from moderate Arab states whose leaders are terrified by their immoderate citizens.`` He recommended that ``dealing with Al Jazeera is a job for the military. Shutting it down should be an immediate priority because, left alone, it has the power to poison the air more efficiently and lethally than anthrax ever could.`` A news analyst told Middle East Wire in response to the vacuous attack on Al Jazeera, ``this is rather disturbing. When there is no freedom of the press in a country, that county is vilified and accused of being oppressive and undemocratic. Yet when a particular country makes a great efforts toward freedom of expression and democracy, you find those who advocate military action to have it silenced.`` He added, ``it`s even more disturbing that the writer uses American media to promote his hate-filled ideas, while objective news station that have never failed to present both sides of the coin is harshly criticized by American diplomats and constantly attacked by Israel.``
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To the Aboo-Jahals of the Bhoora-Goraas:READ!--in the name of the Madrassas you never attended.READ!
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New York Journalist Recommends Military Action Against Arab News Station, Al Jazeera
Middle East News Online
By Hatem Anwar, Middle East News Online Reporter
Posted Monday October 15, 2001 - 11:03:56 AM EDT
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New York, USA - A writer openly advocated shutting down Al Jazeera, one of the most objective news stations in the Arab world, using military action.
Zev Chafets said that the news station propagates hate and should not be allowed to broadcast its programming.
Al Jazeera is unique in the Middle East for being the only news station that allows both competing opinions to openly debate sensitive issues, which were tabooed by state- controlled media for decades.
Al Jazeera was applauded by the United States for years and seen as a center of democracy in the Middle East. However, the station`s objectiveness while covering the war against Afghanistan has provoked angry comments by top American diplomats who demanded that Al Jazeera should ``tone it down``.
Using the New York Daily News as a medium to spread his ideas about military action against Al-Jazeera, Chafets claimed that ``Al Jazeera is the favorite network of Bin Laden. It provides him with an unedited forum for his calls to jihad.`` He stated ``Al Jazeera is far from legitimate. It is an Arab propaganda outfit controlled by the medieval government of Qatar that masquerades as a real media company.
For years, it has inflamed the Arab world against the United States and its allies. Its occasional interviews with Western statesmen, such as Secretary of State Powell, are designed to provide it with a fig leaf of objectivity.`` The writer expressed his concerns that by allowing Al Jazeera to freely broadcast from Afghanistan as fighting intensify would hurt the US image.
``Since the start of the American bombing, Al Jazeera has transmitted grainy pictures of the Afghan sky. But that will change. Soon the actual fighting will intensify, and we will be shown scenes of death and destruction and hear the cries of children. Men on the street will deplore the terrorism the Great Satan is visiting on innocent civilians. The suffering will be real.`` ``America cannot conceivably win the kind of war being waged against it without removing the threat of mass destruction. That means defeating and disarming the Islamic Axis. A struggle of this size inevitably will bring about major casualties.`` Although freedom of press in the United States allowed for free broadcasting of the war in Vietnam, the idea of having an Arab station carrying out such a task is a troublesome for the writer, who used dramatic terminology to express his views. ``Al Jazeera`s role is to present that killing as an unjustified slaughter, to bring the war into American living rooms as a horror show of satanic cruelty, starring President Bush as Dracula.`` He lamented ``A couple weeks ago, the State Department politely asked the government of Qatar to tone down Al Jazeera. The United States can`t expect favors from moderate Arab states whose leaders are terrified by their immoderate citizens.`` He recommended that ``dealing with Al Jazeera is a job for the military. Shutting it down should be an immediate priority because, left alone, it has the power to poison the air more efficiently and lethally than anthrax ever could.`` A news analyst told Middle East Wire in response to the vacuous attack on Al Jazeera, ``this is rather disturbing. When there is no freedom of the press in a country, that county is vilified and accused of being oppressive and undemocratic. Yet when a particular country makes a great efforts toward freedom of expression and democracy, you find those who advocate military action to have it silenced.`` He added, ``it`s even more disturbing that the writer uses American media to promote his hate-filled ideas, while objective news station that have never failed to present both sides of the coin is harshly criticized by American diplomats and constantly attacked by Israel.``
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#119 Posted by hamzadafaqui on December 30, 2001 2:24:26 pm
US has already become unravelled.It is no more!Moth-eaten & termite-infested by constant lies & propaganda it has lost its moorings.It does not know Truth from Falsehood.
When this happens to any nation the only tools left to convince oneself of ones` righteousness are secret trials,witch-hunts,& cover-ups.
The monolith that imploded was not the buildings but a Myth once known as the US.
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Mistranslated Osama bin Laden Video - the German Press Investigates
by Craig Morris 7:16am Sun Dec 23 `01 (Modified on 9:31am Sun Dec 30 `01)
cmorris@t-online.de
A German TV show found that the White House`s translation of the ``confession`` video was not only inaccurate, but even ``manipulative``.
Mistranslated OBL video - Germany’s Channel One investigates
On 20 December 2001, German TV channel “Das Erste” broadcast its analysis of the White House’s translation of the OBL video that George Bush has called a “confession of guilt”. On the show “Monitor”, two independent translators and an expert on oriental studies found the White House’s translation not only to be inaccurate, but “manipulative”.
Arabist Dr. Abdel El M. Husseini, one of the translators, states, “I have carefully examined the Pentagon’s translation. This translation is very problematic. At the most important places where it is held to prove the guilt of Bin Laden, it is not identical with the Arabic.”
Whereas the White House would have us believe that OBL admits that “We calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy…”, translator Dr. Murad Alami finds that: “‘In advance’ is not said. The translation is wrong. At least when we look at the original Arabic, and there are no misunderstandings to allow us to read it into the original.”
At another point, the White House translation reads: “We had notification since the previous Thursday that the event would take place that day.” Dr. Murad Alami: “‘Previous’ is never said. The subsequent statement that this event would take place on that day cannot be heard in the original Arabic version.”
The White House’s version also included the sentence “we asked each of them to go to America”, but Alami says the original formulation is in the passive along the lines of “they were required to go”. He also say that the sentence afterwards - “they didn’t know anything about the operation” - cannot be understood.
Prof. Gernot Rotter, professor of Islamic and Arabic Studies at the Asia-Africa Institute at the University of Hamburg sums it up: “The American translators who listened to the tapes and transcribed them apparently wrote a lot of things in that they wanted to hear but that cannot be heard on the tape no matter how many times you listen to it.”
Meanwhile the US press has not picked up on this story at all, reporting instead that a new translation has revealed that OBL even mentions the names of some of those involved. But the item is all over the German press, from Germany’s Channel One (“Das Erste” - the ones who broke the story, equivalent to NBC or the BBC) to ZDF (Channel Two) to Der Spiegel (the equivalent of TIME or the Economist - visit http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,174025,00.html
if you can read German). More surprisingly, as I write the following site appears on Lycos in German: http://www.netzeitung.de/servlets/page?section=1109&item=172422 - but nothing under lycos.com in English.
Instead, we read in the Washington Post of Friday, December 21, 2001 (the day after the German TV show was broadcast) that a new translation done in the US “also indicates bin Laden had even more knowledge of the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon than was apparent in the original Defense Department translation.... Although the expanded version does not change the substance of what was released, it provides added details and color to what has been disclosed.”
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When this happens to any nation the only tools left to convince oneself of ones` righteousness are secret trials,witch-hunts,& cover-ups.
The monolith that imploded was not the buildings but a Myth once known as the US.
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Mistranslated Osama bin Laden Video - the German Press Investigates
by Craig Morris 7:16am Sun Dec 23 `01 (Modified on 9:31am Sun Dec 30 `01)
cmorris@t-online.de
A German TV show found that the White House`s translation of the ``confession`` video was not only inaccurate, but even ``manipulative``.
Mistranslated OBL video - Germany’s Channel One investigates
On 20 December 2001, German TV channel “Das Erste” broadcast its analysis of the White House’s translation of the OBL video that George Bush has called a “confession of guilt”. On the show “Monitor”, two independent translators and an expert on oriental studies found the White House’s translation not only to be inaccurate, but “manipulative”.
Arabist Dr. Abdel El M. Husseini, one of the translators, states, “I have carefully examined the Pentagon’s translation. This translation is very problematic. At the most important places where it is held to prove the guilt of Bin Laden, it is not identical with the Arabic.”
Whereas the White House would have us believe that OBL admits that “We calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy…”, translator Dr. Murad Alami finds that: “‘In advance’ is not said. The translation is wrong. At least when we look at the original Arabic, and there are no misunderstandings to allow us to read it into the original.”
At another point, the White House translation reads: “We had notification since the previous Thursday that the event would take place that day.” Dr. Murad Alami: “‘Previous’ is never said. The subsequent statement that this event would take place on that day cannot be heard in the original Arabic version.”
The White House’s version also included the sentence “we asked each of them to go to America”, but Alami says the original formulation is in the passive along the lines of “they were required to go”. He also say that the sentence afterwards - “they didn’t know anything about the operation” - cannot be understood.
Prof. Gernot Rotter, professor of Islamic and Arabic Studies at the Asia-Africa Institute at the University of Hamburg sums it up: “The American translators who listened to the tapes and transcribed them apparently wrote a lot of things in that they wanted to hear but that cannot be heard on the tape no matter how many times you listen to it.”
Meanwhile the US press has not picked up on this story at all, reporting instead that a new translation has revealed that OBL even mentions the names of some of those involved. But the item is all over the German press, from Germany’s Channel One (“Das Erste” - the ones who broke the story, equivalent to NBC or the BBC) to ZDF (Channel Two) to Der Spiegel (the equivalent of TIME or the Economist - visit http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,174025,00.html
if you can read German). More surprisingly, as I write the following site appears on Lycos in German: http://www.netzeitung.de/servlets/page?section=1109&item=172422 - but nothing under lycos.com in English.
Instead, we read in the Washington Post of Friday, December 21, 2001 (the day after the German TV show was broadcast) that a new translation done in the US “also indicates bin Laden had even more knowledge of the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon than was apparent in the original Defense Department translation.... Although the expanded version does not change the substance of what was released, it provides added details and color to what has been disclosed.”
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#118 Posted by hamzadafaqui on December 30, 2001 2:24:26 pm
IN CASE SOMEONE MISSED THIS:
(So you still think there is room for intellectualism,analysis,& anal-retentive bookishness?)
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[What Ariel Sharon Said]
Occupied Jerusalem: 3 October, 2001 (IAP)
-- According to Israel radio (in Hebrew) Kol Yisrael, [Shimon] Peres warned [Ariel] Sharon Wednesday that refusing to heed incessant American requests for a cease-fire with the Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and ``turn the US against us.``
At this point, a furious Sharon reportedly turned toward Peres, saying ``every time we do something you tell me Americans will do this and will do that. I want to tell you something very clear, don`t worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it.``
The radio said Peres and other cabinet ministers warned Sharon against saying what he said in public because ``it would cause us a public relations disaster.``
(c) IAP News
(So you still think there is room for intellectualism,analysis,& anal-retentive bookishness?)
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[What Ariel Sharon Said]
Occupied Jerusalem: 3 October, 2001 (IAP)
-- According to Israel radio (in Hebrew) Kol Yisrael, [Shimon] Peres warned [Ariel] Sharon Wednesday that refusing to heed incessant American requests for a cease-fire with the Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and ``turn the US against us.``
At this point, a furious Sharon reportedly turned toward Peres, saying ``every time we do something you tell me Americans will do this and will do that. I want to tell you something very clear, don`t worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it.``
The radio said Peres and other cabinet ministers warned Sharon against saying what he said in public because ``it would cause us a public relations disaster.``
(c) IAP News
#117 Posted by scout on December 30, 2001 1:32:46 pm
who let jay out of his cage? the animal is running around from board to board in a frenzy lately.
#116 Posted by scout on December 30, 2001 1:32:46 pm
suxena #114,
finally, the first good thing to come out of this mess.
finally, the first good thing to come out of this mess.
#115 Posted by anNy on December 30, 2001 1:32:46 pm
erm...how have i managed to come in the eye of the storm without even saying anything? miss binifer will now apologize for butting into a matter that was off no business to her...you are right mr.aamir binifer needs help in being a good muslim..i caught her eating three times this ramzan (and this was the only three times i tried)..and thank you sweetie for the cards :) u are indeed caring...one of the cards said `yae barish tumn kabhi nahin bhoolo gee`..i laughed so hard my spine almost broke again...didnt open the others for fear of permanent damage :0)
uncle shankar:
LOL...that was right on the mark (not aamir being the predator but my stress;)lets hope my man glories in my madness and cherishes it as much as you do your wife`s
sac:
no alto..imagine a newly acquired bright green foxy..now since im not allowed to drive for the next 15 years, try to imagine me in the backseat with the driver in the front seat..sadness no?
username:
michael bloody ondaatje
uncle shankar:
LOL...that was right on the mark (not aamir being the predator but my stress;)lets hope my man glories in my madness and cherishes it as much as you do your wife`s
sac:
no alto..imagine a newly acquired bright green foxy..now since im not allowed to drive for the next 15 years, try to imagine me in the backseat with the driver in the front seat..sadness no?
username:
michael bloody ondaatje
#114 Posted by AAmir on December 30, 2001 10:19:43 am
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#113 Posted by rsaxena on December 30, 2001 10:19:43 am
uh oh, no more amitabh bacchan and `kaun banega crorepati` TV show for pakistan...guess `kaun banega jehadi` will have to do for now
{{The Pakistan government on Saturday directed all cable operators in the country to stop relaying broadcasts of Indian satellite TV channels, including the Star TV network, on the grounds that they indulged in propagating ``injurious material against the security of Pakistan``.}}
{{The Pakistan government on Saturday directed all cable operators in the country to stop relaying broadcasts of Indian satellite TV channels, including the Star TV network, on the grounds that they indulged in propagating ``injurious material against the security of Pakistan``.}}
#112 Posted by jay on December 30, 2001 10:19:43 am
A NEW YEAR
I hope this new year marks the dawn of a new india, ready to face the reality, ready to call the bluff. No more can a nation accept threats to its sacred institutions carried out by ruthless nations created on the ideology of religious bigotry. It is time to call the bluff, assert herself as a nation that will not accept terrorist acts. It has to be year of coming of age for india, finding her place under the sun.
I hope this new year marks the dawn of a new india, ready to face the reality, ready to call the bluff. No more can a nation accept threats to its sacred institutions carried out by ruthless nations created on the ideology of religious bigotry. It is time to call the bluff, assert herself as a nation that will not accept terrorist acts. It has to be year of coming of age for india, finding her place under the sun.
#111 Posted by jay on December 30, 2001 10:19:43 am
A GOOD DAYS WORK,
The following is a letter to the editor in todays dawn by a pakistani, mr. Ali. he is complaining that following a murder, there is no action by the police. take heart Mr Ali, in the case that you are talking about, no one knows who did it. There was a case a couple of years ago, in front of a solicitor, a young girl was murdered, every one knew who did it, but no one dared to take action, it was a honour killing, and it will be illegal to arrest a person for honour killing, it is all in a good days work for a honourable pakistani. mr. Ali if you had cared to write letters, if you had cared to organise popular action as you have done now against honour killing, may be this young man would not have been killed. Wake up Mr. Ali, if you can legalise honor killing today, it is just a matter of time when every killing become legal, as it was in the book,
Murderers not arrested
The cold-blooded murder of a newly married youth, Munawar Hussain, by a gang of robbers has not moved our police and law-enforcing agencies. In spite of tall promises by the police high-ups, nothing has been done with regard to arresting the killers.
The irony is that the killers have whipped up their notorious activities holding the whole city to ransom. The month of Ramzan, symbolizing peace and piety proved to be a month of agony for the citizens as they were emotionally and psychologically hurt. A complete strike and a big protest rally followed the murder that dispersed peacefully on the promises of arresting the culprits by the SSP.
But after the lapse of one month or so leave alone tracing down the killers, nothing has been done. It looks as if there is some secret liaison between the guardians of the law and its violators. Governor Khalid Maqbool is requested to look into the matter.
AMANAT ALI
Hujra Shah Muqueem, Okara
The following is a letter to the editor in todays dawn by a pakistani, mr. Ali. he is complaining that following a murder, there is no action by the police. take heart Mr Ali, in the case that you are talking about, no one knows who did it. There was a case a couple of years ago, in front of a solicitor, a young girl was murdered, every one knew who did it, but no one dared to take action, it was a honour killing, and it will be illegal to arrest a person for honour killing, it is all in a good days work for a honourable pakistani. mr. Ali if you had cared to write letters, if you had cared to organise popular action as you have done now against honour killing, may be this young man would not have been killed. Wake up Mr. Ali, if you can legalise honor killing today, it is just a matter of time when every killing become legal, as it was in the book,
Murderers not arrested
The cold-blooded murder of a newly married youth, Munawar Hussain, by a gang of robbers has not moved our police and law-enforcing agencies. In spite of tall promises by the police high-ups, nothing has been done with regard to arresting the killers.
The irony is that the killers have whipped up their notorious activities holding the whole city to ransom. The month of Ramzan, symbolizing peace and piety proved to be a month of agony for the citizens as they were emotionally and psychologically hurt. A complete strike and a big protest rally followed the murder that dispersed peacefully on the promises of arresting the culprits by the SSP.
But after the lapse of one month or so leave alone tracing down the killers, nothing has been done. It looks as if there is some secret liaison between the guardians of the law and its violators. Governor Khalid Maqbool is requested to look into the matter.
AMANAT ALI
Hujra Shah Muqueem, Okara
#110 Posted by AAmir on December 30, 2001 10:19:43 am
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#109 Posted by harimau on December 30, 2001 10:19:43 am
Ref microencephalic #: 104
[Whoah! I`m getting confused. Was this 12 headed guy harrassing anNY? Is he the same guy who made her have the accident?]
You need some rest away from the Chowk. The 12-head is one who claims to be in the same profession as you; not psychiatry but medicine. He lives in the US and drives a Studebaker. The guy who caused anNy`s accident lives in Pakistan. Now that this info is causing your head to spin, why don`t you see a REAL shrink? He might diagnose dementia and assign you to a nice sanitarium.
[Whoah! I`m getting confused. Was this 12 headed guy harrassing anNY? Is he the same guy who made her have the accident?]
You need some rest away from the Chowk. The 12-head is one who claims to be in the same profession as you; not psychiatry but medicine. He lives in the US and drives a Studebaker. The guy who caused anNy`s accident lives in Pakistan. Now that this info is causing your head to spin, why don`t you see a REAL shrink? He might diagnose dementia and assign you to a nice sanitarium.
#108 Posted by rsaxena on December 29, 2001 11:24:46 pm
re: AAmir
{Which sane person can think AAmir would choose Md benaissa as name & post shallow post as this character.}
dude, this isn`t your madrassah...you`re the 12-head retard and everyone knows it...if i remember correctly you were sending unwanted e-mails to other chowk females in the past as well...
{Which sane person can think AAmir would choose Md benaissa as name & post shallow post as this character.}
dude, this isn`t your madrassah...you`re the 12-head retard and everyone knows it...if i remember correctly you were sending unwanted e-mails to other chowk females in the past as well...
#107 Posted by Lajwanti on December 29, 2001 10:28:22 pm
Reply Binifer
Mills of God slowly slowly grinding, but very
small also, no...
Mills of God slowly slowly grinding, but very
small also, no...
#106 Posted by AAmir on December 29, 2001 10:28:22 pm
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#105 Posted by jay on December 29, 2001 10:28:22 pm
A PROUD CLAIM
There was a time when many on the chowk, amir, ali1, scout etc were so proud that islam is the fastes spreading religion in the world. The fact that it is spreading in the slums and prisons of the world mattered little to those proud islamists of pakistan.
reid, the shoe bomber of the US plane is a classic example. he was a petty criminal in the UK, and as usual in prison he got the call, became a muslim, went to pakistan and the rest is history, a proud islamic history, for the pakistanis to ruminate.
There was a time when many on the chowk, amir, ali1, scout etc were so proud that islam is the fastes spreading religion in the world. The fact that it is spreading in the slums and prisons of the world mattered little to those proud islamists of pakistan.
reid, the shoe bomber of the US plane is a classic example. he was a petty criminal in the UK, and as usual in prison he got the call, became a muslim, went to pakistan and the rest is history, a proud islamic history, for the pakistanis to ruminate.
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