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FINE

So like sorry aamir, u butt head i called you loose you-know-what and I`m also sorry for calling you a choot piece- you did get that didnt you? i called you that and theres not a damn thing you can do about it. And theres something else i was to apologize for but i forgot so u can forget about it too.

Oh yeah- i shouldnt have said something that was not my business and also something personal about you that i shouldnt have and it was unethical and you know what, this is annoying me now.

Goodbye u numb skull, have a nice dysfunctional life; just dont make any babies- theres a limit to the damage we humans may inflict on mother earth (and no bumblebee, I will not apologize for this post)

....a very happy new year`s to everyone.....keep it safe...

Banjara,

I do hope that vajpaye will say the equivalent famous words, `` india has an obligation to create conditions ( for the return of refugees, that was Mrs gandhi) so that jihadis dont cross over to india``. Vajpaye is a geriatric disgusting gandhian and one can expect nothing from him.

regards

jay

Binifer

re: “MdBenaissa cum Aaamir “

…this mdben-whatever person doesn’t sound like the hydra….i mean no spelling errors, no randomly placed commas, almost coherent…..BUT, on the other hand, 25 cards/day???….

hamzad afaqui # 119

``. I want to tell you something very clear, don`t worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it.``

Afaqui saheb,

The whole world knows that,so what`s the big deal.

Jay #113

``I hope this new year marks the dawn of a new india, ready to face the reality, ready to call the bluff. No more can a nation accept threats to its sacred institutions carried out by ruthless nations created on the ideology of religious bigotry. It is time to call the bluff, assert herself as a nation that will not accept terrorist acts. It has to be year of coming of age for india, finding her place under the sun.``

Dear Jay,

I hope your wish is fulfilled,but,I have my doubts.You see,the only MAN who could do it for

India was Indira Gandhi,who is no more.

My comisserations and best regards.

anNy #116

``michael bloody ondaatje``

Dont you dare `bloody` a proud Canadian,else you

will be in real trouble....ok :)))

PS: Happy new year.Now the jamaati`s are under

other ``pressure``,this new year party should be

awesome in good ol Karachi.

re: anNy

{? miss binifer will now apologize for butting into a matter that was off no business to her...you are right mr.aamir binifer needs help in being a good muslim..}

you do realize that aamir is the 12-headed, retarded, son of a ... don`t you?

In case some ignomaruses are still flaunting their western education & degrees(arty/farty only)from the western universities.

To the Aboo-Jahals of the Bhoora-Goraas:READ!--in the name of the Madrassas you never attended.READ!

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New York Journalist Recommends Military Action Against Arab News Station, Al Jazeera

Middle East News Online

By Hatem Anwar, Middle East News Online Reporter

Posted Monday October 15, 2001 - 11:03:56 AM EDT

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New York, USA - A writer openly advocated shutting down Al Jazeera, one of the most objective news stations in the Arab world, using military action.

Zev Chafets said that the news station propagates hate and should not be allowed to broadcast its programming.

Al Jazeera is unique in the Middle East for being the only news station that allows both competing opinions to openly debate sensitive issues, which were tabooed by state- controlled media for decades.

Al Jazeera was applauded by the United States for years and seen as a center of democracy in the Middle East. However, the station`s objectiveness while covering the war against Afghanistan has provoked angry comments by top American diplomats who demanded that Al Jazeera should ``tone it down``.

Using the New York Daily News as a medium to spread his ideas about military action against Al-Jazeera, Chafets claimed that ``Al Jazeera is the favorite network of Bin Laden. It provides him with an unedited forum for his calls to jihad.`` He stated ``Al Jazeera is far from legitimate. It is an Arab propaganda outfit controlled by the medieval government of Qatar that masquerades as a real media company.

For years, it has inflamed the Arab world against the United States and its allies. Its occasional interviews with Western statesmen, such as Secretary of State Powell, are designed to provide it with a fig leaf of objectivity.`` The writer expressed his concerns that by allowing Al Jazeera to freely broadcast from Afghanistan as fighting intensify would hurt the US image.

``Since the start of the American bombing, Al Jazeera has transmitted grainy pictures of the Afghan sky. But that will change. Soon the actual fighting will intensify, and we will be shown scenes of death and destruction and hear the cries of children. Men on the street will deplore the terrorism the Great Satan is visiting on innocent civilians. The suffering will be real.`` ``America cannot conceivably win the kind of war being waged against it without removing the threat of mass destruction. That means defeating and disarming the Islamic Axis. A struggle of this size inevitably will bring about major casualties.`` Although freedom of press in the United States allowed for free broadcasting of the war in Vietnam, the idea of having an Arab station carrying out such a task is a troublesome for the writer, who used dramatic terminology to express his views. ``Al Jazeera`s role is to present that killing as an unjustified slaughter, to bring the war into American living rooms as a horror show of satanic cruelty, starring President Bush as Dracula.`` He lamented ``A couple weeks ago, the State Department politely asked the government of Qatar to tone down Al Jazeera. The United States can`t expect favors from moderate Arab states whose leaders are terrified by their immoderate citizens.`` He recommended that ``dealing with Al Jazeera is a job for the military. Shutting it down should be an immediate priority because, left alone, it has the power to poison the air more efficiently and lethally than anthrax ever could.`` A news analyst told Middle East Wire in response to the vacuous attack on Al Jazeera, ``this is rather disturbing. When there is no freedom of the press in a country, that county is vilified and accused of being oppressive and undemocratic. Yet when a particular country makes a great efforts toward freedom of expression and democracy, you find those who advocate military action to have it silenced.`` He added, ``it`s even more disturbing that the writer uses American media to promote his hate-filled ideas, while objective news station that have never failed to present both sides of the coin is harshly criticized by American diplomats and constantly attacked by Israel.``

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US has already become unravelled.It is no more!Moth-eaten & termite-infested by constant lies & propaganda it has lost its moorings.It does not know Truth from Falsehood.

When this happens to any nation the only tools left to convince oneself of ones` righteousness are secret trials,witch-hunts,& cover-ups.

The monolith that imploded was not the buildings but a Myth once known as the US.

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Mistranslated Osama bin Laden Video - the German Press Investigates

by Craig Morris 7:16am Sun Dec 23 `01 (Modified on 9:31am Sun Dec 30 `01)

cmorris@t-online.de

A German TV show found that the White House`s translation of the ``confession`` video was not only inaccurate, but even ``manipulative``.

Mistranslated OBL video - Germany’s Channel One investigates

On 20 December 2001, German TV channel “Das Erste” broadcast its analysis of the White House’s translation of the OBL video that George Bush has called a “confession of guilt”. On the show “Monitor”, two independent translators and an expert on oriental studies found the White House’s translation not only to be inaccurate, but “manipulative”.

Arabist Dr. Abdel El M. Husseini, one of the translators, states, “I have carefully examined the Pentagon’s translation. This translation is very problematic. At the most important places where it is held to prove the guilt of Bin Laden, it is not identical with the Arabic.”

Whereas the White House would have us believe that OBL admits that “We calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy…”, translator Dr. Murad Alami finds that: “‘In advance’ is not said. The translation is wrong. At least when we look at the original Arabic, and there are no misunderstandings to allow us to read it into the original.”

At another point, the White House translation reads: “We had notification since the previous Thursday that the event would take place that day.” Dr. Murad Alami: “‘Previous’ is never said. The subsequent statement that this event would take place on that day cannot be heard in the original Arabic version.”

The White House’s version also included the sentence “we asked each of them to go to America”, but Alami says the original formulation is in the passive along the lines of “they were required to go”. He also say that the sentence afterwards - “they didn’t know anything about the operation” - cannot be understood.

Prof. Gernot Rotter, professor of Islamic and Arabic Studies at the Asia-Africa Institute at the University of Hamburg sums it up: “The American translators who listened to the tapes and transcribed them apparently wrote a lot of things in that they wanted to hear but that cannot be heard on the tape no matter how many times you listen to it.”

Meanwhile the US press has not picked up on this story at all, reporting instead that a new translation has revealed that OBL even mentions the names of some of those involved. But the item is all over the German press, from Germany’s Channel One (“Das Erste” - the ones who broke the story, equivalent to NBC or the BBC) to ZDF (Channel Two) to Der Spiegel (the equivalent of TIME or the Economist - visit http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,174025,00.html

if you can read German). More surprisingly, as I write the following site appears on Lycos in German: http://www.netzeitung.de/servlets/page?section=1109&item=172422 - but nothing under lycos.com in English.

Instead, we read in the Washington Post of Friday, December 21, 2001 (the day after the German TV show was broadcast) that a new translation done in the US “also indicates bin Laden had even more knowledge of the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon than was apparent in the original Defense Department translation.... Although the expanded version does not change the substance of what was released, it provides added details and color to what has been disclosed.”

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IN CASE SOMEONE MISSED THIS:

(So you still think there is room for intellectualism,analysis,& anal-retentive bookishness?)

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[What Ariel Sharon Said]

Occupied Jerusalem: 3 October, 2001 (IAP)

-- According to Israel radio (in Hebrew) Kol Yisrael, [Shimon] Peres warned [Ariel] Sharon Wednesday that refusing to heed incessant American requests for a cease-fire with the Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and ``turn the US against us.``

At this point, a furious Sharon reportedly turned toward Peres, saying ``every time we do something you tell me Americans will do this and will do that. I want to tell you something very clear, don`t worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it.``

The radio said Peres and other cabinet ministers warned Sharon against saying what he said in public because ``it would cause us a public relations disaster.``

(c) IAP News

who let jay out of his cage? the animal is running around from board to board in a frenzy lately.

suxena #114,

finally, the first good thing to come out of this mess.

erm...how have i managed to come in the eye of the storm without even saying anything? miss binifer will now apologize for butting into a matter that was off no business to her...you are right mr.aamir binifer needs help in being a good muslim..i caught her eating three times this ramzan (and this was the only three times i tried)..and thank you sweetie for the cards :) u are indeed caring...one of the cards said `yae barish tumn kabhi nahin bhoolo gee`..i laughed so hard my spine almost broke again...didnt open the others for fear of permanent damage :0)

uncle shankar:

LOL...that was right on the mark (not aamir being the predator but my stress;)lets hope my man glories in my madness and cherishes it as much as you do your wife`s

sac:

no alto..imagine a newly acquired bright green foxy..now since im not allowed to drive for the next 15 years, try to imagine me in the backseat with the driver in the front seat..sadness no?

username:

michael bloody ondaatje

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uh oh, no more amitabh bacchan and `kaun banega crorepati` TV show for pakistan...guess `kaun banega jehadi` will have to do for now

{{The Pakistan government on Saturday directed all cable operators in the country to stop relaying broadcasts of Indian satellite TV channels, including the Star TV network, on the grounds that they indulged in propagating ``injurious material against the security of Pakistan``.}}

A NEW YEAR

I hope this new year marks the dawn of a new india, ready to face the reality, ready to call the bluff. No more can a nation accept threats to its sacred institutions carried out by ruthless nations created on the ideology of religious bigotry. It is time to call the bluff, assert herself as a nation that will not accept terrorist acts. It has to be year of coming of age for india, finding her place under the sun.

A GOOD DAYS WORK,

The following is a letter to the editor in todays dawn by a pakistani, mr. Ali. he is complaining that following a murder, there is no action by the police. take heart Mr Ali, in the case that you are talking about, no one knows who did it. There was a case a couple of years ago, in front of a solicitor, a young girl was murdered, every one knew who did it, but no one dared to take action, it was a honour killing, and it will be illegal to arrest a person for honour killing, it is all in a good days work for a honourable pakistani. mr. Ali if you had cared to write letters, if you had cared to organise popular action as you have done now against honour killing, may be this young man would not have been killed. Wake up Mr. Ali, if you can legalise honor killing today, it is just a matter of time when every killing become legal, as it was in the book,

Murderers not arrested

The cold-blooded murder of a newly married youth, Munawar Hussain, by a gang of robbers has not moved our police and law-enforcing agencies. In spite of tall promises by the police high-ups, nothing has been done with regard to arresting the killers.

The irony is that the killers have whipped up their notorious activities holding the whole city to ransom. The month of Ramzan, symbolizing peace and piety proved to be a month of agony for the citizens as they were emotionally and psychologically hurt. A complete strike and a big protest rally followed the murder that dispersed peacefully on the promises of arresting the culprits by the SSP.

But after the lapse of one month or so leave alone tracing down the killers, nothing has been done. It looks as if there is some secret liaison between the guardians of the law and its violators. Governor Khalid Maqbool is requested to look into the matter.

AMANAT ALI

Hujra Shah Muqueem, Okara

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Ref microencephalic #: 104

[Whoah! I`m getting confused. Was this 12 headed guy harrassing anNY? Is he the same guy who made her have the accident?]

You need some rest away from the Chowk. The 12-head is one who claims to be in the same profession as you; not psychiatry but medicine. He lives in the US and drives a Studebaker. The guy who caused anNy`s accident lives in Pakistan. Now that this info is causing your head to spin, why don`t you see a REAL shrink? He might diagnose dementia and assign you to a nice sanitarium.

re: AAmir

{Which sane person can think AAmir would choose Md benaissa as name & post shallow post as this character.}

dude, this isn`t your madrassah...you`re the 12-head retard and everyone knows it...if i remember correctly you were sending unwanted e-mails to other chowk females in the past as well...

Reply Binifer

Mills of God slowly slowly grinding, but very

small also, no...

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A PROUD CLAIM

There was a time when many on the chowk, amir, ali1, scout etc were so proud that islam is the fastes spreading religion in the world. The fact that it is spreading in the slums and prisons of the world mattered little to those proud islamists of pakistan.

reid, the shoe bomber of the US plane is a classic example. he was a petty criminal in the UK, and as usual in prison he got the call, became a muslim, went to pakistan and the rest is history, a proud islamic history, for the pakistanis to ruminate.

binifer,

Whoah! I`m getting confused. Was this 12 headed guy harrassing anNY? Is he the same guy who made her have the accident?

LETTER TO THE EDITOR

HELP TO PREVENT WAR IN SOUTH ASIA

All who value peace and human life need to intervene and stop war in South Asia. India and Pakistan are poised to engage in such a misadventure as their respective troops and missiles (possibly nuclear) face each other on their border and on the Line of Control in Kashmir. This is happening while we in the United States are busy watching the news from neighboring Afghanistan.

People of Indian and Pakistani origin especially need to wake up to the reality of what kind of misery this conflict will produce. Our armchair warmongers of South Asian origin who now make their homes outside the region, in Europe, Canada and here in the United States need to get a large dose of reality.

Some Pakistanis are arranging a peace march at a Northern California venue (exact date and place to be decided) this week and urge all from the South Asian (aka “Desi”) Diaspora and their friends to protest against the possibility of war between India and Pakistan. I hope that Americans will join us and show solidarity with the pursuit of sanity in the region. Let us have a happy, peaceful and prosperous new year in a part of the world where the misery of poverty already rules the streets. Help us stop this looming war.

Ras H. Siddiqui

Sacramento, California

shankar #96: Answers to some of your questions:

``Dunno why, but I thought your ``native village`` was in IOK! Gee.. that part of Kashmir is really free``

My family village is in Azad Kashmir. My family lived and grew up in Srinigar. But yes, according to the Indian Constitution, and all the maps in India, my family village is officially considered a part of India, by Indians. I guess that makes me an Indian. However, India still requires me to get a visa if I want to go to India. And it does not allow me to cross over the LOC, into IOK from POK, even though on the map, India considers POK a part of India.

Makes a lot of sense, I guess.

``Gang rapes CAN & DO occur in the Army...Indian or Pakistani...Kashmir & Bangladesh are prime examples``

Yes and no. Gang rapes are occuring in Kashmir. This is well documented. And Pakistanis killed a lot of people (and I assumed raped) in Bangladesh.

However, I am not going to just blame the armies of these two countries for these actions. The true blame goes on the govts. that have sent them there. And the people who support the govts. The armymen always end up holding the bag, when govt. policies go wrong (which is what is going to happen to the Indian armymen, once Indian govt. policies in Kashmir fail).

Any soldier sent in to fight civilian populations hates it, and eventually ends up going nuts. There is far too much psychological pressure. If you do your job well, you have to kill civilians. If you don`t do your job well, you are killed by some of the civilians. It is a lose-lose situation for the soldier. I doubt too many Indian soldiers covet an assignment in Kashmir, at the moment. I am sure they would much rather particiapate in a normal war.

Vietnam, Bangladesh and Kashmir are good examples. Individually, these soldiers are to be blamed. But at a policy level, it is the govts` fault.

I don`t think any rapes are carried out in Army bases within India (i.e. Indian soldier raping a poor village girl in Jaipur or something), nor are they carried out in Army bases in Pakistan. Infact, the wars between India and Pakistan, which did not involve civilians (only fought between the militaries) were quite chivalrous, i.e. Pakistani soldiers did not bomb Indian civilians in Delhi, and Indian soldiers did not bomb Pakistani civilians in Lahore. Prisoners of War were treated quite well, also. I have this from confirmed sources.

``You seem to believe that Mushy is going to eliminate the feudal grip on the country.``

Unfortunately no. I wish he would. But he didn`t, or couldn`t. I don`t know why.

Musharraf has however sidelined the top lot. And he has put many of them behind bars. And he has decentralized their executive authority down to the local level. Kind of like kissing one`s sister, but still a hell of a lot better than what anyone else did.

``Well, if only college grads can contest elections, I guess peasants wont be able to run for elections. So, he will throw out the ``old`` bum feudals & bring in newer ones.``

Yes and no. There are reserved seats for peasants and women in the local assemblies. At the national and provincial levels, peasants have zero chance of getting elected, even if they get a Ph.D. Imran Khan cannot beat a feudal, what to talk of a peasant beating one.

The college grad requirement will get rid of the old feudal lot, but will bring in their kids. So you are correct. But something is better than nothing.

``You mentioned that there is a powerful feudal-military alliance that has been made possible through bonds of marriage. So eventhough Mushy`s family maynot have married into the feudal class, a lot of his generals are.``

This alliance is not that much of an alliance any longer. Feudals have now stopped marrying into the military. They don`t send their kids into the military, any longer either. They now marry into expatriates, and foreign trained businessman. Most of the top echelon of the military now, are basically from middle class families.

And the alliances are usually built through the top person. Ayub and Zia`s families joined this alliance, and became a part of the system, and part of the problem. Musharraf`s family has not, so far.

``Mushy has now alienated the right wing religionists (by strategic U turns), the middle class (by the bogus referendum), the intelligentsia (by undemocratic amendments to the Constitution) & now the Military-feudal nexus?!``

The first part is correct. But he has made a lot of friends in Pakistan, due to his stance against the maulvi brigade.

I don`t think the second part is correct. Most urban parties, on the whole, still support him. And I haven`t seen a single demonstration against him. Or any uprising etc. I think the people like him better than NS and Bhutto. Or the people just don`t care anymore. The main PPP and PML politicians are however against him. But I don`t think they always represent the wishes of the people.

The intelligensia of Pakistan is somewhat cynical and criticizes everyone. Being critical of the govt. in Pakistan is considered patriotic. The criteria to use here is that they dislike Musharraf less than they dislike NS and BB etc. I think, on the whole, they do realize that Pakistan now has more press freedom than ever before, and is now in a progressive mode. And even Musharraf`s harshest impartial critics have accepted that he is honest, sincere and forward looking, though undemocratic.

``So the only thing thats holding him in office is his friend Bushy & the Indians``

I don`t think this is correct. What is holding him in power is the incompotence of the status quo tried and tested politicians. People may not like Musharraf`s dictatorship, but they are sick and tired of the old politicians also. That is why, cry as they might, the PPP and PML have not been able to move too many common Pakistanis to join them in their protests.

And the fact that the international lending institutions are happy with the direction the Pakistan economy is taking (even before Sep 11).

``Are Pakistani peasants so naieve (or am I)? Why cant they vote for a non-feudal? (I guess every feudal has an opponent running for election too--or is that not so, as well?)``

Pakistani peasants aren`t naive. They are completely powerless and enslaved (in some cases literally in feudal jails) by feudals.

I don`t know much about Indian politics, but I think it cannot be compared with Pakistani feudal politics. Poverty isn`t the main problem in feudal Pakistan, politically. There are urban poor also, in Pakistan. Neither is illiteracy. Both of these are no doubt huge problems, but not the main.

The main problem is land ownership.

The feudal owns all the land that is tilled by the peasants. In that sense, he completely owns the peasants` livelihood, their villages etc. He can legally kick him/her off the land. Over decades and centuries, a system has been put into place, where the feudal (the big ones) even gives judicial judgements in conflicts. They are basically kings.

So the peasants are not only poor, they are powerless. If someone can get kicked off the land, with no skills, can get his daughter abducted, etc., how can they even think of not voting for the feudal. They could all unite, but the feudals ensure that stage never reaches. And the feudals are in the Assemblies, and make all the laws. They will make sure that their lands remain feudal (which in turn means Pakistan remains backwards). Why else do you think all these feudals want elections, and are politicians? Shouldn`t they be into agriculture and not politics?

I think the problem of illiteracy and poverty exists in rural India, but not the problem of massive absentee landlordism. So urban Indian politics can be compared to urban Pakistani politics, but rural Indian politics cannot be compared to rural Pakistani politics. And over 60% of Pakistan is still rural.

In non-feudal villages, like mine, peasants can and have become leaders and politicians. Many of their second generations are now educated.

In some feudal areas (most maybe), there is an opposition. But it is also the local opposing feudal. If you look at the rural wing of PPP and PML, it is nothing but opposing feudals. Leghari was in PPP and Khosas (opposing feudal in same area) are in PML. Abida Hussein and her husband are in PML, while Faisal Hayat (opposing feudal, and one-time candidate as Benazir`s husband) is in PPP. So on and so forth. In many cases, these guys are related (Faisal is the nephew of Abida). In some areas, like Benazir`s Larkana etc., only one feudal dominates. So he/she gets elected unopposed.

Invariably, there are two things common in these feudal areas:

1. The more powerful the feudal/tribal leader, the more backwards the area. My family village, in Kashmir, like I stated, is now decades ahead of Leghari`s feudal areas outside Dera Ghazi Khan, Benazir`s feudal areas outside Larkana, and Abida`s feudal areas outside Jhang (I have lived close to these areas, not counting Larkana, so I know first hand). Even though my family village really has no political significance. It has only sent a few senior leaders into the local Kashmiri beaurecracy. Nothing at the Pakistan level.

2. The feudal or his/her next generation (if the feudal himself is not highly educated) is in big-time Western universities, and live in the poshest areas of urban Pakistan. Leghari is Oxford. Benazir is Harvard/Oxford. Abida`s kids are in Harvard etc.

``Are you suggesting that a non-feudal doesnt even DARE to oppose a Bhutto candidate in Larkhana? Or if he does, the polls are so blatantly rigged that its a waste of time to even run an election?``

The polls are not really rigged. They don`t need to be. But a non-feudal cannot challenge a feudal. He/she will never win. Look what happen to this girl, whose little brother allegedly was seen walking with a girl from another trible. And this incident did not even involve any of the super-feudal families. Do you think, this girl`s family could ever think of voting for someone other than the powerful feudal.

The are historically hardly any cases in Pakistan, in which a fedual has been defeated by a non-feudal. As I stated even Imran Khan has zero shot of defeating local feudals in their areas. So much so, that his (our) party doesn`t even compete in those areas.

anNy #70: Waah ji, kya aqal ki baatein ki hein. Good going :)

lve

Kiran

MdBenaissa cum Aaamir

Betae, aap kee good muslim anNy might have been nice enough to not spill your beans on chowk when she wanted to (and was having conscience attacks gods help us all)- It just so happens that I had complete access to her mail box when she was in the hospital and have been through all the `anNy you are just like my chotti behna` sh1t asss mails you kept flooding her mailbox with. I am also aware of the confession mail (without any provoking of one, strangely) wherein you informed her that you were all the 12 heads and more, some 5 months ago and this was to only `fool the indians exaaaapt for nice indian shankar and eklavya`. Also, I am aware of her not exchanging mails with you and you persisting like a case of loose sh1t.

Pls be mindful of the fact that I am not even going into all the cards that u flooded her mailbox with since i was responsible for cleaning out the trash from the mailbox when she was out of action and you know, you were very annoying with 25 cards every day for one whole friggin month. And you ask that i dont have a life. Now thats what i call a choot piece. Be very careful Mr.Masood or was it Maqsood? - I am now out to screw you over

Beware of all kafirs, barbarians, false worshippers like Hindus, Shias, Buddhists, Ahmedis, Zorostrians -

An impossible marriage

Edited By Adil Salahi, Arab News Staff

http://www.arabnews.com/Article.asp?ID=11577

Q. A friend of mine, who until recently was a Hindu, embraced Islam and began, with God’s help, to attend to all his religious duties. However, he just discovered that Islam forbids marriage with one’s niece. As he is already married to his niece, he is at a loss what to do, considering that he has young children. What is the status of his marriage? If he divorces his wife, it will certainly affect his relations with his present wife and children, as they will inevitably feel that Islam is responsible for the break-up of their family. Please comment.

S. Habibullah, Riyadh

A. This man has adopted Islam because he realized that it is the truth. When one adopts a new religion on the basis of conviction, he must abide by what that religion dictates. Such dictates are part of the truth he has come to accept. It is not possible for a person to accept a religion and then say that he wants one or two of its teachings modified in order to suit his circumstances. Some people made such requests to the Prophet, but he did not accept any such conditions. It was not for him to do so, because the religion of Islam is given to us by God, and no one can alter what God makes lawful or forbidden.

This man has recognized the truth of Islam and accepted it. He then discovered that his marriage cannot be accepted by Islam. No one can alter God’s prohibition of a marriage between a man and his niece. This is a permanent prohibition which will not be relaxed in any circumstances. Therefore, he has no way other than to abide by what God has ordered and to refrain from what He has prohibited. His marriage cannot continue, because it is invalid. He must divorce his wife.

Now, when this marriage is over, relations between the man and the woman may continue as one between uncle and niece. However, because of the marriage between them, they should not stay alone in any private situation. They may make any suitable arrangements so that their children are brought up normally, cared for by both their parents, but the separation must take place. There is no way out.

anNy #70,

are you an `in the closet` bimbo ;)

cute post by the way, you make me smile sweets

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anNy #70: Waah ji, kya aqal ki baatein ki hein. Good going :)

lve

Kiran

Ref Hasan bin Laed #: 94

[Learn being a good Muslim from ur friend. Ask Allah`s forgiveness for ur jahalat resulting from ur kafir background and attitude before u die. On Judgement Day it will be too late.]

Are you saving yourself for the 72 houris?

re: username

...5000 words of saying nothing...looks you`ve got something shoved up yer...

Binifer 83

U were lucky to be married to Muslim but u not left ur barbaric manners, more like Hindians than Muslim.

All u talk is ur friend`s personal life. U must have a miserable existence. See anybody else talking other peoples personal life?

Not others, U are a nut case. Learn being a good Muslim from ur friend. Ask Allah`s forgiveness for ur jahalat resulting from ur kafir background and attitude before u die. On Judgement Day it will be too late.

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Reply anNy # 70

“WHAT, explain to me, is wrong with being a bimbo? haan?”

Nothing, nothing at all. Please don’t be cross.

And I will admit that Ms Haq’s top ten remedies for constipation were extremely useful. Happy?

Zafar

PS For future reference, male bimbos are himbos.

PPS And you didn’t answer my question about why Lahore is superior to Karachi.

EDUCATION IN PAKISTAN from dawn of today

In pakistan where (honour) killing is legitimised, it is just a matter of time all other crimes will become legal in the peoples minds. Here is what education does in pakistan, will any educated on chowk care to respond.

An occasional murder

By Hafizur Rahman

I am told that a retired federal secretary met three brash young men at a society wedding in Karachi some time ago and asked them what they did. ``We are dakoos, Uncle,`` said one of them with a straight face. He wasn`t joking and told the horrified gentleman how, being unemployed, they committed a dacoity every three months or so and had an enjoyable holiday abroad on the takings, usually in the Gulf. For day-to-day expenses they still relied or their parents.

Maybe it`s a sign of progress that more and more young people every day are taking to larceny, dacoity and an unavoidable murder as a permanent vocation. At this rate a time may soon come when families who have no son engaged in any of these activities, will have to hide themselves with shame.

It is heartening to note also that the intellectual level of persons engaged in larceny, dacoity (and the occasional murder of course) is gradually rising. It is no longer the monopoly of those rejected by society, the riff-raff and the good-for-nothing from the lower classes, who hadn`t anything better to do. Gone are the days when a man involved in these activities wore a guilty look and was avoided by the genteel and the noble, even if they were poor. He would rather have died than admitted his nefarious profession. Happily it is no longer so.

In Sindh, it was once said, half the jungle dacoits were graduates. In Punjab nothing could have done more to impart respectability to these enterprising professions than what happened some time ago in Multan, the city of saints, where apparently the saintly part of the population is all below the ground, safely dead and buried.

The police discovered that a group of four lawyers had been master-minding robberies and other such work requiring legal finesse. The four were also alleged to have killed a companion who had ratted on them, and thrown the dead body in a nearby forest. They might have been justified in doing so, for he was only a student of BA and had joined the group on false pretences, without first becoming a lawyer. Since he was not academically qualified, he had to be disposed of. It was as simple as that.

sac Reply #: 77

``Yaar why do we have to decide everything as a nation? What happened to the freedom of choice? How about first deciding as a nation whether we`ll relieve ourselves standing up or sitting down?``

Well, my friend, nobody suggested that we need to decide EVERYTHING as a nation. But there certainly are things that need to be decided at the national level. That is why we have governments whose job is to take input from us and devise a NATIONAL policy on issues, thus guiding the nation in the right direction... no doubt ``freedom of choice`` is extremely important but that doesn`t mean every Tom Dick and Harry should be allowed to do whatever the fcuk s/he wants to do. Please go back and read my post again. Hopefully, this time you`ll be able to understand what I was trying to say.

On a different note, you seem to have a flair for bringing up issues out of non-issues. In response to your first post, I tried to point out why reading TFT is important but you seemed more interested in my trials and tribulations at Freddys and Zouq. Then I attempted to bring you back to the point but this time it was, why do we have to decide EVERYTHNG as a nation? I don`t want to induldge in some sort of lengthy debate with you... my only point was/is, we need to reconsider our (in my opinion) hypocritical and paradoxical policy towards our people in general and women in particular. On one hand we have religion, morality and social barriers (which I have nuthing against btw) and on the other hand we promote ``ooohhs`` ``aaahhhs`` and ``awwwws``. I think it`s not quite working this way and we need to do something abt it. Whether you agree with me or not, it`s ok with me either way :-)

anNy Reply #: 70

``Why should all of us need to be smart and intellectual and understand what the bloody english patient is all about or why kahlil gibran did what he did...``

Well, I guess nuthing wrong with being a bimbo. But thanks god I`m not one. Don`t fit your definition of bimbohood at all. I don`t beautify the environment, am always running around with daggers to stab someone and me an idiot... yeah rOite, NO CHANCE! By the way, searched the entire library catalog but cudn`t find the novel that you mentioned in your post. One came close --- ``The English Patient`` --- but heck, he wasn`t ``bloody`` enuff. If you cud please tell me the name of the author...?

RSaxena Reply #: 78

``dang, uncle shammi`s whipping uncle romair``

ahan, fine... but what I`m unable to understand is why is Romair`s proposition such a major pain in the butt for YOU and is making you jump up and down as if somebody`s shoved sumthing up your...?!? I mean, you shud be more concerned with where your country wud be 50 yrs from now instead of worrying your head over whether Pakistanis would be able to ssuck up to, who you`ve been referring to as ``chaptas`` (like HELLOOO, as if you belong to some incredibly gorgeous and stunningly pulchritudinous race... RELAX, have a look at your bhai bandaz in campuses on east coast, that might help you just a bit in setting your feet on ground!) I guess your `prime-example-of-brevity-at-its-best` post (Reply #: 78) was coming from somewhere else... kinda shows your desperation to prove Romair wrong, if not by yourself then by any one else at all. Ok, let`s assume for a second that Pakistan would not become China`s Canada, Mexico or even anything close to that (which, in my opinion, is not something to be REALLY proud of anywayz!). So what does that prove? Pakistan will be DOOMED!!!. Fine, if that makes you feel better. Now relax and try to catch all the sleep that you`ve missed for the last two or three nights.

And Now some more news-------Not from CNN(Certainly Not News).

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RHYMES IN SUPPORT OF USAMA BIN LADIN IN SOUTH KOREAN SCHOOLS

SEOUL (International Desk): Young kids in South Korean schools have disturbed the authorities by singing songs in support of Usama Bin Ladin. According to local media sources, in the schools of the South Korean city of Posan and its interior province, the authorities have made special arrangements to stop the kids from singing songs in favour of Usama Bin Ladin. Education officers in Posan have also been ordered to stop the kids from singing songs in favour of Usama Bin Ladin, and explain to them the 11th September events and the War against Terrorism headed by the American Government. According to the South Korean newspaper, Jongang, the kids sing the following song in support of Usama Bin Ladin:

``I like Usama Bin Ladin very much.

I`ll become a terrorist when I grow up

The American President Bush is the personality I hate most``

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US PASSES ATTACK PROOF TO PERVEZ

``Evidence gathered by India about the involvement of the Lashkar-e-Toiba and Jaish-e-Mohammad in the attack on Parliament is now in the hands of General Pervez Musharraf...``

http://www.telegraphindia.com/front_pa.htm#head2

miss anNy

Mar jain aap kaheen jakar. The `I hope they marry` bit was a smart move- couldnt figure out who the hell you were talking about. Manhoos aurat.

Your `best bud` is overjoyed at being called a male bimbo- cracks up every few minutes.

I am stuck between nut cases.

Ref Headshrinker #: 80

[tsk tsk tsk...boy, she gave you guys a mouthful. Serves you right for getting her stressed out ``at that time of the month``. Believe me, I know; I`ve been married to someone for 20 years who sounds like anNy:)) ]

Men are from Mars

Women are from Venus

But you are a Klingon from Uranus

Ref shammi #: 73

[Re: Romair

``...China is building a port in Gwadar...``]

And I am opening the Salome (of the Seven Burqas} Bar in Gwadar.

Re: Romair

Couldn`t resist a few more…

``…Our (China & Pakistan) views on nearly all international issues are similar….``

You mean like on CTBT, NPT, NATO intervention in Kosovo, Gulf War, Vietnam War, Korean War, Pakistan`s Taleban policy, East Timor, relations with Indonesia/ Saudi Arabia, etc? Am I missing some? Enlighten me, please.

``And we have a lot to offer China ..Land to grow crops….``

So will this be in the form of a permanent lease of Punjabi agriculture plots to Chinese farmers imported from their poorest provinces? Or will it be what the rest of world does - buy and sell agricultural commodities? The latter, of course, gives the buyer to switch suppliers with ease to find the lowest-priced sellers. Canadian wheat will remain more abundant and cheaper the Pakistani wheat. Ditto for American soybeans, and hogs bellies.

``…And hopefully someday highly skilled labor to augment their booming economy…``

Just like Pakistani skilled labor has done wonders for the Europeans, Japanese and the Americans? In case you didn`t notice, the Chinese have no shortage of labor (skilled & unskilled). They want capital and high technology. And that, Pakistan lacks.

re shammi #74:

China`s so called economic prowess is built upon an exclusively export-oriented policy with the foreign exchange parked in the form of US treasuries in institutions abroad. Its an exact replica of the policies pursued by Japan in the 70s and 80 and later on by the so-called Asian tigers. The ROmairs of this world whose only exposure seems to be works of linear economists like Shahid Javed Burki are the same sort of people who extrapolated Cisco and Walmart revenues to grow exponentially to predict that they would ultimately end up selling everything sold anywhere. Most of the same thinking permeated the dot-com madness. The results are there for everyone to see. Hence Blue horseshoe and his current fascination with China........

anNy #74:

I am an ardent devotee of bimbohood also. Your paean celebrating the joys of bimbohood deserves to be handed over to be memorized by every bespectacled intellectual with bad breath. BTW what`s the stress all about? I thought the exams were over.....time for some joyriding in the Alto???(without the dupatta I hope :)

username:

Yaar why do we have to decide everything as a nation? What happened to the freedom of choice? How about first deciding as a nation whether we`ll relieve ourselves standing up or sitting down?

later

-sac

shankar #68: My computer business is basically me and my part-time Indian partner/accountant. My grandfather, from pre-partition days, once told me (with due apologies to our good friend Harpeet :-)), ``jeeri sohni, ooh sikhni; jeera jhalla, ooh sikh; jeera hushyar, ooh hindu; jeera laraka, ooh musla......

The whole thing is a lot longer and rhymes. But I have followed his advice. So my South Indian Hindu partner (whose last name I still cannot pronounce) makes all the major high level business decisions (which contract to sign, etc.). I make the sale, and execute on our plan, as a consultant, with start-up companies. The recent dot com crash has effected us adversely, so I have a lot of time to spend on Chowk, now.

I have very little knowledge of my own on China, apart from their food. I have never been there, although I am aware of the military joint programs going on between China and Pakistan. All of them are very promising, and I cannot see why these joint ventures would not role over to the private sector soon. I have, however, followed the views of world level Pakistani economists/businessmen like Shahid Burki, Razzaq Dawood, Shaukut Aziz, Moeen Qureshi, Safi Qureshi etc., and have just repeated them here.

In twenty-five years, China will only be ahead of the US in one area. And that is the total size of its economy. The reason Japan was unable to achieve this was because it has half the population of the USA. China has four times the population, and thus needs to only have 1/4th the per-capita income. Which it will have. It already has 1/8th.

In all other social areas like law, domestic human rights, environment protection, technology, freedom, living standards etc., the USA and the West will remain ahead. The US will be one of the top five best countries to live in the world. And China maybe in the thirties, somewhere. But all Pakistan is concerned with is the amount of goods Pakistan can export to China. And the amount of technology and economic joint projects Pakistan can import from China. Pakistanis do not need to start copying the Chinese society, they just need to start selling to the Chinese.

The reason China has been able to create a boom is because it has slowly transformed its economic system from a socialist one to a capatilist one. Unlike the Soviets, who attempted the transformation too quickly and abruptly. Slowly, the Chinese society is evolving into a more open one also. The wealthier the Chinese get, the easier this will be. I have a Chinese friend who was one of the student protestors in Tianeman square. He says, he now thanks God the protestors did not achieve much success in Tianeman. He is quite happy with a slow transformation, rather than a quick one.

I heard Mooen Qureshi of World Bank once state that he had met all the major leaderships in the world. And he found the Chinese leadership to be, by far, the most shrewd.

I think China sees the potential of Pakistan far more clearly than Pakistanis see it themselves. That is why China has gone out of its way to keep close relations with Pakistan, even though China currently does not gain anything major from Pakistan. In a sense, this must be very frustrating for China, since Pakistan keeps screwing up its vast potential, again and again.

However, I think now China seems have developed faith in Musharraf, and more importantly, in his bright economic team, and seems to be willing to make big-time investments in Pakistan, now. The second biggest part of the Pakistani budget (defence) is already very deeply intertwined with China.

I think every major decision made in Pakistan (nuclear explosion, current support in Afghan conflict, etc.) is made after detailed advice and consultations from the Chinese leadership. I wouldn`t be surprised if Musharraf is on the phone right now, discussing the current Indo-Pak crisis with the Chinese leadership.

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anNy,

#70

That was an absolutely , hilariously, intelligently intelligent post:)))!

Boy, we oughta get you mad more often!

sac, zafar,

tsk tsk tsk...boy, she gave you guys a mouthful. Serves you right for getting her stressed out ``at that time of the month``. Believe me, I know; I`ve been married to someone for 20 years who sounds like anNy:))

After making those sexist remarks, I`d better run because I see anNy at the cyber-horizon charging at me, swishing her pigtail like Bhimsen swishes his gadha!

re: saminashah #69

as new yorkers who love this city, we both can at least thank him for his handling of 9-11, which as you correctly claim was simply what he was supposed to do as mayor...but how many politicians do we know who do what they are supposed to do, let alone exceed our expectations?...

imagine what india or pakistan might have become if either had a rudy leading it...actually, maybe you shouldn`t answer that :)

dang, uncle shammi`s whipping uncle romair

What CNN(Certainly Not News)---would never tell you.

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TORA BORA (Institute for Islamic Studies and Research): During the last week, the Hamza Al-Ghamidi unit in the Tora Bora region has shot down four American warplanes and killed approximately 140 US Special Forces soldiers in a series of daily, multiple ambushes. Having withdrawn from parts of Tora Bora about ten days ago, the Mujahideen split up into small units in order to engage US Paratroopers that had dropped in the region in order to search its caves. Due to the cowardly nature of the American troops, they dropped `Hummvee` jeeps and armoured vehicles with the soldiers. In a series of well-planned, multiple daily ambushes, the Hamza Al-Ghamidi unit attacked several bases and units of the Crusaders, killing approximately 140 of them. For the hypocrites and those with diseased hearts, such a figure is difficult to expect. However, in comparison with Mujahideen ambushes in Chechnya, a figure of 20 soldiers killed per day in multiple attacks, is actually quite small. It should be larger, but where it has not been possible to determine enemy dead, a lower figure has been given. The question arises, do the Mujahideen go round and count each dead body to arrive at these figures? The answer is that some dead bodies are clearly left behind and counted, whilst others are estimated from the number of destroyed vehicles. For example, if a Hummvee jeep with a normal capactiy of eight troops is destroyed and burnt to the shell, one can be confident that all eight troops on board were killed. As for the four warplanes, they were shot down using ordinary Anti-Aircraft weapons.

This report refutes the false claims by the World`s media that the war is over in North East Afghanistan. Rather, it is proof that the promised guerilla war by the Mujahideen has begun and time will tell who was lying and who was speaking the truth.

There are no Chechen Mujahideen in Tora Bora, as has been repeatedly claimed by the Crusader media, that there are 200 of them. At no stage during the fighting in Tora Bora have there been any Chechen Mujahideen. These claims are made by the media in cheap attempts to `incriminate` the Chechens as terrorists linked to Usama Bin Ladin, whom it is worthy to fight and kill.

Re: Romair

``...Musharraf has also stated he will not support the state of East Turkmenastan (in China)...Pakistan has accepted the third option of independent Kashmir (from another board)...``

Romair, do you think that the world runs according to what Musharraf (or you) want or don`t want? Even if it is blatantly hypocritical and contradictory? Anyway, you are not fooling any of us here.

Re: Romair

``...China is building a port in Gwadar...``

Did you not hear that all plans are on hold now? The Chinese are not yet certain how much Muhsarraf has cozied up to the Americans, and are unlikely to make an investment in a quasi-military project that might end up advancing US interests rather than Chinese...

Re: Romair

``...They (Pak-Americans) can either crawl back into the mouseholes and live scared....``

That is quite a retreat from your earlier exhortations to Chowkies to wear the Pakistani flag!

``...I think the country of choice for Pakistani immigrants and students will be China...``

Did you know that the Chinese are considered to be quite zenophobic? Besides, why not learn the lesson that the Japanese Amercians learned it WWII -- that loyalty and patriotism will stand them in good stead despite the indignity of internment?

Also, you need to read this book on China:

Coming Collapse of China by Gordon G. Chang (Random House)

Amazon.com review: From 1978 through the mid-1990s, China had the fastest-growing economy in the world, and it appeared poised to dominate Asia, and beyond, in the near future. But after focusing on facts rather than theory and looking at the conditions behind the spectacular numbers, Gordon Chang presents the People`s Republic as a study in wasted potential: ``Peer beneath the surface, and there is a weak China, one that is in long-term decline and even on the verge of collapse. The symptoms of decay are to be seen everywhere.`` For a nation that has always taken a long view of history, time is quickly running out. Chang believes China has about five years to get its economy in order before it suffers a crippling financial collapse--a timeline he seriously doubts can be met.

READ!----in the name of justice & fairplay.

In case anyone is under any delusion that by becoming a culture-clone of ``americanism``,they better brace themselves.Some stupids think that because they were born or brought up in America makes them `different` than their parents(from a higher culture & civilisation) are in for a rude shock.Remember the veneer of civility gets peeled of even when this vulgar society has their tummies full.It is not unheard of for them to become cannibals to prove darwin right(they are the only ones in history who did this during the two wars).

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Trading off good family,culture,civilisation to bow before Mammon & Dajjal?

Peeling off the layers of your religion & culture & standing naked before these barbarians in pin-striped suits would achieve you nothing.Writing/speaking four-letter words is the

only progress you have made.Pretending to be ``modern`` will never redeem you-----you are worse than the blacks(born & bred here) only that by your snivelling & sucking up you do not realise how much you are despised.

Better learn to love your neighborhood mullah---you never know when you might need him.

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RACIAL PROFILING AT DUKE UNIVERSITY

The following letter was sent by Duke University Professor Mike Reedy to a Pakistani Medical Student seeking admission to the Duke University Medical School. Emphasis added by myself.

From: Mike Reedy

To: ``Imran Bhaila`` , Hussain Khawaja , omer ashraf

CC: Harold Erickson

Subject: Re: SUMMER ELECTIVES

Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 13:57:23 -0500

yours is among three such message from 2d year med students in your school I have had in the last 10 days. Just in case you are legitimate, you should know my immediate reaction, and the true nature of your disadvantage.

Your ethnicity and your age (student age = idealistic) are so similar to those of the jihad-minded terrorists from the schools that nurtured the Taliban and Al-Quaeda that it is not worth our trouble to try to determine if you are a well-disguised terrorist or a real learning-motivated medical student. You may well be innocent, but some of your neighbors are as potentially lethal as anthrax or HIV, and must be protected against. As long as there are zealots whose idea of reasonable dialogue and persuasive rhetoric is suicide bombing, we seem to have no efficient choice but to react with suspicion, which must motivate us to extreme avoidance or to kill-or-be-killed defensive activism aimed at extermination. The problem of such global terrorism, motivated by a delusion of holy sanction for the killing of ``infidels``, presently comes mainly from your world and culture. You must solve it internally, or face rejection and suspicion such as mine from outside. If you and your fellows do not root out such unreason from your own ranks, you leave it be solved by unsympathetic military violence from outsiders. I believe it can only be finally solved by your internal action, and I pray you can find better and less violent solutions than we outsiders must use. You will then stand forth as true heroes and peace-bringers to all of humanity, rather than as members of a culture suspected for fostering, tolerating and covertly sympathizing with the deluded and doomed pseudo-heroism of future-hating jihad-minded suicide bombers. War-makers are no longer the heroes humanity needs.

Mike Reedy

Professor

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In 1985, authorized by William Casey, the CIA planted a car bomb near a mosque in Beirut to kill Sheik Mohammed Hossein Fadlallah, a muslim cleric. The bomb missed the Sheik but killed 80 people, including children.

According to Victor Ostrovsky, a defector from Israel`s secret service, Mossad, Israel decided to mount a false flag operation designed to further discredit Libya, and provoke the US to attack an Arab nation. A transmitter loaded with pre-recorded messages was planted in Tripoli, Libya, by a Mossad team. The `Trojan Horse` beamed out fake messages about Libyan-authorized bombings and planned attacks that were immediately intercepted by US electronic monitoring. Convinced by this disinformation that Libya was behind the 1986 bombing of a Berlin disco in which a US soldier died, President Ronald Reagan ordered massive air attacks on Libya, including an obvious- and illegal (under US law) attempt to assassinate Qadaffi himself. Some 100 Libyan civilians were killed, including Qadaffi`s two year old daughter. Libyan officials had no idea why they were attacked.

Now, my question for Professor Reedy is if it is worth his trouble to determine if medical school applicants from the USA of Israel are serious students, or if intends to just dismiss them out of hand as potential bombers not worthy of his consideration.

Mr. Reedy cannot have it both ways. If the students of Pakistan are tainted by the actions of Al-Quaeda, then the students of the United States must be equally tainted by the actions of the CIA and the students of Israel equally tainted by the actions of the Mossad.

Conversely, if Professor Reedy is willing to accept American students despite the crimes of the CIA, and if he is willing to accept students from Israel despite the crimes of the Mossad, then he has no reason not to accept students from Pakistan despite the crimes of Al-Quaeda.

Professor should be ashamed of himself, and he has disgraced Duke University.

The President of Duke University can be reached at president@duke.edu

Warning: Post being written under severe stress

Zafarsaab, sac, username:

WHAT, explain to me, is wrong with being a bimbo? haan? Why should all of us need to be smart and intellectual and understand what the bloody english patient is all about or why kahlil gibran did what he did when what they (note pls they not we) really want to do is slip into some very comfy politically incorrect pj`s (I don`t care if that made no sense) and watch temptation island and GIGGLE and eat fried chicken all the while and then b!tch about how silly it is and how they have no values and how the waist is starting to expand more than it should and so bloody what if having a nice waxing lady makes them happier than any man or ugly diamond can and if they don`t know jackshit about pc…ANSWERMEPLEASE…you gentlemen ned to understand that just like being smart is a good thing, being stupid is also a good thing…why, I love all the bimbos around me more than life itself…I hope fervently my best bud marries his bimbo girlfriend…so stupid them both, there will be eternal happiness in the house and beautiful nieces and nephews…bimbo`s are idiots (male bimbos and female bimbos) who wish no harm upon others...that they are nice looking is a positive factor…they beautify the environment…they are often kind and great amusement...how many smart men and women out there do all of this aik saath? what i am trying to say is that miss haq is a beautiful speciment of bimbohood…she is a gift to us from above…she revels in her fake lenses, enjoys her stupidness, laughs heartily at herself, is so full of what she apparently views as a great catch its ego bloating for readers, is so catty she makes even the b!tchiest of us feel like angels…and on top of that, she sometimes is tummy hurting funny…if our shandy can be a smart and funny girl friday then why, I ask you can ms. Haq not be a stupid as hell and funny girl friday? And just for the record, she isnt as stupid as she pretends to be…nobody can be that stupid…my point being that if intelligent and smart people are a good thing for society and given respect than so should bimbo`s be…they look good and spread love..they have as much right to be respected, loved citizens of earth as all you smarties

and username u got something against alto riding, dupatta oarhing females? i happen to do both quite often and theres no mehroomi in my eyes thank you very much..and pls chill about my sisters in altohood for they don`t read girl friday..i am an exception…bhaimerae, what complex could that idiot possibly give ANYBODY? let her be



Mr.sac:

Ref: `...how about a narrative relating those trials and tribulations at Freddys, Zouq and the rest of the playgrounds of the rich and the pretentious?…`

im sticking my tongue out at you as I write this…very funny

huNh

Rsax,

I appreciate your happiness over El Duce`s Man 0` The Year honor. Its amazing what happens when a mayor just does his/her job rather than indulging in some questionable and divisive tactics... Hmmm...what voodoo did Rudy do so well? He brought down crime in NYC; but, yeah, there was that little matter of an out of control police force, including the the ``special`` unit that gunned down the innocent African immigrant Amadou Diallo, and shot him 41 times. He cares for our kids which is why he has attempted to discredit the Teacher`s union in trying to organize for better working conditions, classrooms, supplies, and benefits...There are his spineless spates of grandstanding with Arab leaders he doesn`t ``like``, and his illustrious career as an art critic who hired his divorce lawyer to be on a committee that evaluated ``decent`` art; wait there`s more...How about his flimflamming on stepping down from his mayoral position as per New York City state law? Such coyness is rarely seen outside a girls junior high school... There was his competent handling of the WTC crisis and indeed, he proved himself to be able to perform his duties as any Mayor would. But does anyone remember the tantrums, the ugliness about issues of contention such as the Occupied Territories? My litmus test for integrity insists that all humans are equal; El Duce thinks some humans are more human than others... But the piece de resistance was his endorsement of Mike Moneybags Bloomberg, a candidate who could bail New York City out of debt from his own personal coffers. And why not, right?

Still think New Yorker Jimmy Breslin nailed it when he summed up Rudy with this pithy phrase; `` a small man looking for a balcony``. Apparently the balcony has been supplied...and by chance and not through outstanding leadership, either.

Romair,

Very nice post(s) re China. Yes, all indications are that at the present rate of growth China will be a superpower in the next few decades.

Will it overtake the US?--I`m not sure about that.

I`m not a expert..BUT:)

1) The US is the biggest investor in China. So if China thrives economically, those investments will be goldmines. After all, the Americans havent invested there for philanthropic purposes.

2) China lacks legal institutions to safeguard business disputes, like the US does. If the economic success is due to the capitalistic twist that China has been experimenting with in the past 2 decades, it better set up a system FAST.

3)Lack of transparency & corruption is rife in China. Its not a uniquely Chinese problem. But in a country where there is going to be a rapid rise & a quickly increasing gap between the haves & have nots, it will create a lot of resentment. As numerous as the haves are, the have nots are in the majority. The US has a lot of checks & balances that temper social resentment--the Chinese havent.

4)In the 80s everybody was saying that Japan`s economy would dominate the world by the year 2000. The Japanese seemed unstoppable. What happened?

5) I think theres going to be an explosion in China--sooner, rather than later. The Tiannamen Square incident was squashed. You are a great proponent of the theory--``you cant suppress the aspirations of people with authoritarian force forever``.



Yes, youre right! As standards of living are rising in China, that time bomb is ticking louder. When a man`s belly is full & he has a roof over his head, he starts thinking about esoteric concepts like freedom & democracy. Authoritarian regimes are used to power--they dont give it up without a fight.

But you a very right in that Pakistan should look at China increasingly for support. The US has been unreliable. The Arabs are crazy, to say the least. Despite my above criticisms of China, I agree, they have earned my admiration & respect. They have single handedly transformed their country to a great economic & military power. If India could have achieved only 20% of what China has achieved in the last 30 yrs, I would have been proud.

Lastly, on a personal note, I`m very jealous of optimists like you:) You have a way of looking at the bright side of everything. Whats more, you have a way of analysing things that make a lot of sense (even when I dont agree with them:)). I`m sure you are extremely successful in your computer business. Optimists DESERVE success. Heck, even when they fail, they interpret is a success! More power to you!

THANK GOD, OSAMA IS A ..

Pak president mushy has announced that osama is dead. It is the same person who said that indian plane hijackers vanished at the pak afghan border. He also wanted indians to identify who hijacked the a/c so that he could arrest them.

Now it is the turn of osama to vanish, sorry to die. The good part is he is not a hindu in which case mushy could have claimed that he was cremated and ashes spread on his beloved tora boro mountains. That would have well and truly foxed the yanks.

Sorry mushy, your game is up. There are times when it is better, not to be a hindu, at least for the americans. Osama, DNA exterts are looking for you. Mushy come up with the body.

sac Reply #: 64

``How about a narrative relating those trials and tribulations at Freddys, Zouq and the rest of the playgrounds of the rich and the pretentious? Or would that be too much to take for the burqa-clad virgins in the backseat of the Alto?``

Well, the sort of time I`ve wasted at such places, I should really be doing weekly features on them for TFT. But I think you missed the point of my previous post altogether. The thing is all of us --- including the not-so-rich-and-pretentious --- can afford to dine out in classy restaurants, celebrate basant at falaani haweli, attend falaan`s keg party... to be identified as a part of that ultra mod social circle (take the glamor out and I bet, not even half as many would be seen ``enjoying`` at the same places). And those who can`t FINANCIALLY afford, most probably don`t read TFT and the like anywayz. The problem arises when you CAN afford, but are socially not allowed to have such a lifestyle. The ``burqa-clad virgins in the backseat of the Alto`` WANT TO and CAN very well be the a$$ shaking hotties on the dance floors of GOR but the sort of social barriers we have don`t allow them to do so. I`m so not into the feminist crap of nowadays and the sort of sh1t these NGOs promote but I do think it`s high time we, as a nation, make up our minds on this... EITHER we can preach Islam to our girls and expect them to be idols of morality that we want them to be OR we can let the Aaminah-Haqish lifestyle, with a bf here and and a coupla ex-bfs there, damagh gharabofy them and let them do whatever the hell they want to do! Cuz it`s certainly not working out the way it is right now.

re zehra #59:

Writers seldom make good critics of their own works. The message they try to convey and the message that is largely understood are seldom in confluence. This doesn`t mean that the writer is unsuccessful in his or her endeavour merely that he or she didn`t realize the potential impact of his or her own work.

Persecution IS largely a state of mind. If the immigrant families have ghettoised themselves into a state of inaction and paralysis then they deserve what is happening(largely imagined and hyperbole) to them. All the more important that these immigrant families spend more time with their neighbours than celebrating dozens of Eid-milan, Shia, Ahmaddiya or whatever other baggage carrying events they have from their former homelands.

username:

How about a narrative relating those trials and tribulations at Freddys, Zouq and the rest of the playgrounds of the rich and the pretentious? Or would that be too much to take for the burqa-clad virgins in the backseat of the Alto?.....no pun intended...........:)

later

-sac

P.S: Blue horseshoe loves China.........

Ref wholly-precious-you #: 56

[...and at the rate female children are being killed due to selective abortion in india, neither will you....now what will the chinese do?...]

Follow the lead of Tibetans and share a wife amongst several men!

Happy Christmas World

The Innocent Dead in a Coward`s War

The price in blood that has already been paid for America`s war against

terror is only now starting to become clear. Not by Britain or the U.S.,

nor even so far by the al-Qaida and Taleban leaders held responsible for

the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington. The price has been

paid by ordinary Afghans, who had nothing whatever to do with the

atrocities, didn`t elect the Taleban who ruled over them and had no say in

the decision to give house room to Bin Laden and his friends.

The Pentagon has been characteristically coy about how many people it

believes have died under the missiles it has showered on Afghanistan.

Acutely sensitive to the impact on international support for the war,

spokespeople have usually batted away reports of civilian casualties with

a casual ``these cannot be independently confirmed``, or sometimes simply

denying the deaths occurred at all. The U.S. media have been particularly

helpful. Almost two months into the bombing campaign, the * * *Los Angeles

Times * * *only felt able to hazard the guess that ``at least dozens of

civilians`` had been killed.

Now, for the first time, a systematic independent study has been carried

out into civilian casualties in Afghanistan by Marc Herold, a U.S.

economics professor at the University of New Hampshire. Based on

corroborated reports from aid agencies, the UN, eyewitnesses, TV stations,

newspapers and news agencies around the world, Herold estimates that at

least 3,767 civilians were killed by U.S. bombs between October 7 and

December 10. That is an average of 62 innocent deaths a day - and an even

higher figure than the 3,234 now thought to have been killed in New York

and Washington on September 11.

Of course, Herold`s total is only an estimate. But what is impressive

about his work is not only the meticulous cross-checking, but the

conservative assumptions he applies to each reported incident. The figure

does not include those who died later of bomb injuries; nor those killed

in the past 10 days; nor those who have died from cold and hunger because

of the interruption of aid supplies or because they were forced to become

refugees by the bombardment.

It does not include military deaths (estimated by some analysts, partly on

the basis of previous experience of the effects of carpet-bombing, to be

upwards of 10,000), or those prisoners who were slaughtered In

Mazar-i-Sharif, Qala-i-Janghi, Kandahar airport and elsewhere.

Champions of the war insist that such casualties are an unfortunate, but

necessary, byproduct of a just campaign to root out global terror

networks. They are a world apart, they argue, from the civilian victims of

the attacks on the World Trade Center because, in the case of the Afghan

civilians, the U.S. did not intend to kill them.

In fact, the moral distinction is far fuzzier, to put it at its most

generous. As Herold argues, the high Afghan civilian death rate flows

directly from U.S. (and British) tactics and targeting.

The decision to rely heavily on high-altitude air power, target urban

infrastructure and repeatedly attack heavily populated towns and villages

has reflected a deliberate trade-off of the lives of American pilots and

soldiers, not with those of their declared Taleban enemies, but with

Afghan civilians. Thousands of innocents have died over the past two

months, not mainly as an accidental byproduct of the decision to overthrow

the Taleban regime, but because of the low value put on Afghan civilian

lives by U.S. military planners.

Raids on targets such as the Kajakai dam power station, Kabul`s telephone

exchange, the al-Jazeera TV station office, lorries and buses filled with

refugees and civilian fuel trucks were not mistakes. Nor were the deaths

that they caused. The same goes for the use of anti-personnel cluster

bombs in urban areas. But Western public opinion has become increasingly

desensitized to what has been done in its name. After US AC-130 gunships

strafed the farming village of Chowkar-Karez in October, killing at least

93 civilians, a Pentagon official felt able to remark: ``the people there

are dead because we wanted them dead``, while U.S. Defense Secretary Donald

Rumsfeld commented: ``I cannot deal with that particular village.``

Rumsfeld has inadvertently conceded what little impact the Afghan campaign

(yet to achieve its primary aim of bringing Bin Laden and the al-Qaida

leadership to justice) has had on the terrorist threat, by speculating

about ever more cataclysmic attacks, including on London. There will be no

official two-minute silence for the Afghan dead, no newspaper obituaries

or memorial services attended by presidents and prime ministers, as there

were for the victims of the twin towers. But what has been cruelly

demonstrated is that the U.S. and its camp followers are prepared to

sacrifice thousands of innocents in a coward`s war.