Anwar Iqbal December 25, 2001
#242 Posted by tahmed321 on December 29, 2001 10:28:22 pm
rajanjua #141 I am not sure if you were applauding or hooting down my earlier post with your response of ``great idea``. Being the eternal optimist I will of course assume the former.:-)
More seriously, why shouldnt we hand the head of JeM (for example) to India? He was in an Indian jail and freed via a hijacking. I dont care what BJP says (I agree they are nuts like our mullahs, but our business is first with our own mullahs). These mullahs will only do damage to Pakistan, as they did in Afghanistan. Among them are armed extremists, and we should get rid of them as we would get rid of any pack of bandits - and if it helps avoid war with India, so much the better.
More seriously, why shouldnt we hand the head of JeM (for example) to India? He was in an Indian jail and freed via a hijacking. I dont care what BJP says (I agree they are nuts like our mullahs, but our business is first with our own mullahs). These mullahs will only do damage to Pakistan, as they did in Afghanistan. Among them are armed extremists, and we should get rid of them as we would get rid of any pack of bandits - and if it helps avoid war with India, so much the better.
#241 Posted by anarayan on December 29, 2001 10:28:22 pm
Not one...not one measly Indian (except `koochi-koo-temporal` Farzana) has written a word about hawks on each side, `stopping the madness`, etc, etc. Looks like for them its the much awaited... payback time.
Several Pakistanis are seen bleating about whats going to come and the roving fart (a.k.a. roam-air) has finally lost his last marble.
Several Pakistanis are seen bleating about whats going to come and the roving fart (a.k.a. roam-air) has finally lost his last marble.
#240 Posted by Brad Cruise on December 29, 2001 10:28:22 pm
#125 Hallucinating with delusion of grandeur
Jo RAJ
``And i will do my best to spread the word around the western population, that Pakistan is a radicalised, fundamentalist Islamic nation while India is a secular nation with a Hindu majority which is so desperate within that they are hardly monolithic.......``]]
BE MY GUEST JO ,
DO WHATEVER YOU FEEL IN YOUR DELUSION OF GRANDEUER .FOR US YOU COULD BE ABC OR XYZ AND HECK IT WAS NICE KNOWING YOU SILLY FEELING OF IMPORTANCE.WE SEE NUTS LIKE YOU DAVID KORESH,JIM JONES,TIMOTHY McVEIGH ,IN LUNATIC ASSYLUM.
#239 Posted by Brad Cruise on December 29, 2001 10:28:22 pm
#126
Jo AROKIARAJ
``The most bellicose defense Minister we have had is a christian. And our Missiles were created by a Muslim. Our richest Indian is a Muslim and our bravest and most victorious General have been christian (Sam Maneckshaw). Yes, we have Hindu nuts running around, but to be fair to them, they are a far cry from your entire nation, that is completely radicalized in terms of religiousity.``
KNOW YOUR COUNTRY JO
Sam Maneckshaw was Parsi
All christian ,muslims, Parsi or any other religion are 100% hindu before they get admitted in govt.
TOO BAD JO YOU WILL LEARN NAME DOESNT MAKE YOU CHRISTAIAN ,Iam not even though if i joined you would count me as christian!!!
Jo AROKIARAJ
``The most bellicose defense Minister we have had is a christian. And our Missiles were created by a Muslim. Our richest Indian is a Muslim and our bravest and most victorious General have been christian (Sam Maneckshaw). Yes, we have Hindu nuts running around, but to be fair to them, they are a far cry from your entire nation, that is completely radicalized in terms of religiousity.``
KNOW YOUR COUNTRY JO
Sam Maneckshaw was Parsi
All christian ,muslims, Parsi or any other religion are 100% hindu before they get admitted in govt.
TOO BAD JO YOU WILL LEARN NAME DOESNT MAKE YOU CHRISTAIAN ,Iam not even though if i joined you would count me as christian!!!
#238 Posted by harimau on December 29, 2001 10:28:22 pm
Ref Urstruly #: 147
[And dont you worry about me. I am a reservist- just waiting for the call to save the motherland-alongwith millions of others.]
Yo, you remind me of a Far Side cartoon: the female moth tells the male moth at the bar, ``Yeah, I have heard the story before. You just metamorposed and have got 24 hours to propagate the species before you die. Buzz off.``
I am sure you would be pulling the story about you being a reservist and just waiting for the call to die for the motherland. The Pakistani women will probably tell you go get your reward of 72 houris in heaven.
[And dont you worry about me. I am a reservist- just waiting for the call to save the motherland-alongwith millions of others.]
Yo, you remind me of a Far Side cartoon: the female moth tells the male moth at the bar, ``Yeah, I have heard the story before. You just metamorposed and have got 24 hours to propagate the species before you die. Buzz off.``
I am sure you would be pulling the story about you being a reservist and just waiting for the call to die for the motherland. The Pakistani women will probably tell you go get your reward of 72 houris in heaven.
#237 Posted by Umer Murtaza on December 29, 2001 10:28:22 pm
Dear Pakis
Guys, when are we going to realise that Pakistan is a terrorist state hell bent on assimilating Bharat, a peace loving nation that is trying to resolve its problems. I mean, Jeez, Pakis, why can`t you just leave these folks alone. What have you got against the Bharaties? All the time, all I ever hear you say is that it was a mistake for Bharat to not be a part of us. I mean, have you heard those Muslim Jackasses who constantly rant on about how Pakistan is a failed state and how the whole Pakistan/Indian dominions should have been one unit so that they could have ruled over it...
First, you Pakis assassinated Mahatma Gandhi.
Secondly, you Pakis assassinated Indhira Gandhi
Thirdly, you Pakis assassinated Rajiv Gandhi
And now you`re trying to bomb their parliament.
Just leave them alone willya!!!!
Guys, when are we going to realise that Pakistan is a terrorist state hell bent on assimilating Bharat, a peace loving nation that is trying to resolve its problems. I mean, Jeez, Pakis, why can`t you just leave these folks alone. What have you got against the Bharaties? All the time, all I ever hear you say is that it was a mistake for Bharat to not be a part of us. I mean, have you heard those Muslim Jackasses who constantly rant on about how Pakistan is a failed state and how the whole Pakistan/Indian dominions should have been one unit so that they could have ruled over it...
First, you Pakis assassinated Mahatma Gandhi.
Secondly, you Pakis assassinated Indhira Gandhi
Thirdly, you Pakis assassinated Rajiv Gandhi
And now you`re trying to bomb their parliament.
Just leave them alone willya!!!!
#236 Posted by Rdesikan on December 29, 2001 10:28:22 pm
RE Joeseph Arokiaraj # 126
The late Sam Maneckshaw was a parsi. And as a matter of fact, the 2nd in command of the eastern flank during the 71 was a Jew from Bombay, Gen JFR Jacob.
That aside, arguing with urstruly is a bloody waste of time. As you pointed out, he is an ostrich and that object is not interested in listening to your point of view unless of course that happens to be vehemently and violently anti-India
The late Sam Maneckshaw was a parsi. And as a matter of fact, the 2nd in command of the eastern flank during the 71 was a Jew from Bombay, Gen JFR Jacob.
That aside, arguing with urstruly is a bloody waste of time. As you pointed out, he is an ostrich and that object is not interested in listening to your point of view unless of course that happens to be vehemently and violently anti-India
#235 Posted by ahmedmadani on December 29, 2001 10:28:22 pm
Sir, please stop scare of war ok. Madani was borned in 1948 and know all wars. I was in karachi near port with My MAMUJAN when indian missile boat put fire to gas tanks and sank military ship. NOTE all war start sudden. NO WAR OK NOW AT ALL I BEAT 200 lakh RUPEES ok.IF BOTH WAR READY NO WAR MADNI GIVE IN WRITE UP OK.
PEACE CAN BE PROBLOM.
IF Hindu snake decides to divert water big problom. THAT IS REAL WORRY. BOTH SIDE BIG BOM BOGAS.
AGAIN NO WAR, ALL BOYS AND GIRLS GO HOME. but watch WATER DIVERSION CAN BE REAL killing. I thank our EXFAUZ to think about future WATER WAR. THAT is REAL war. WITHOUT NO WAR madani has little water by tap. It only scares we about water, no afrad of indian BOM atall ok.
SEE water war can be real bad.Like Turky cut water of IRAQ and syira by building upper side large dam in turkey. Euphrates and and tigress get only 50% now.
THIS IS scary thing not bom.
I will ask integelant pakis and expak to think and write. Just like me most do not know about that water war.
I want exfauj, expak give knowledge to us. Thois is long time war. Hindus are timid its strength way think log term and slowly carry out bad stuf. Like they started very slowly `bengali` problem and over years led to slaughter and cutting pak in two peases ok. I am worried about pease not war.
PEACE CAN BE PROBLOM.
IF Hindu snake decides to divert water big problom. THAT IS REAL WORRY. BOTH SIDE BIG BOM BOGAS.
AGAIN NO WAR, ALL BOYS AND GIRLS GO HOME. but watch WATER DIVERSION CAN BE REAL killing. I thank our EXFAUZ to think about future WATER WAR. THAT is REAL war. WITHOUT NO WAR madani has little water by tap. It only scares we about water, no afrad of indian BOM atall ok.
SEE water war can be real bad.Like Turky cut water of IRAQ and syira by building upper side large dam in turkey. Euphrates and and tigress get only 50% now.
THIS IS scary thing not bom.
I will ask integelant pakis and expak to think and write. Just like me most do not know about that water war.
I want exfauj, expak give knowledge to us. Thois is long time war. Hindus are timid its strength way think log term and slowly carry out bad stuf. Like they started very slowly `bengali` problem and over years led to slaughter and cutting pak in two peases ok. I am worried about pease not war.
#234 Posted by hamidm on December 29, 2001 10:28:22 pm
urstruly
........ this man makes me want to puke - first he wanted us to rush to defend the one-eyed mullah and his bedouin prophet and now he wants us to kill hindoos so that he can feel good about being a muslim ........
...... i hope and pray that this silliness does not result in war .....at the same time i see this as a great opportunity for pakistan to get rid of people like urstruly once and for all - hand them over to india or whoever else wants them so that we can get on with our miserable lives ........
....... sitting in detroit he is getting all hysterical about killing hindoos and quoting from das book - maybe we should send him over to visit his soul-mate jay .....
........ this man makes me want to puke - first he wanted us to rush to defend the one-eyed mullah and his bedouin prophet and now he wants us to kill hindoos so that he can feel good about being a muslim ........
...... i hope and pray that this silliness does not result in war .....at the same time i see this as a great opportunity for pakistan to get rid of people like urstruly once and for all - hand them over to india or whoever else wants them so that we can get on with our miserable lives ........
....... sitting in detroit he is getting all hysterical about killing hindoos and quoting from das book - maybe we should send him over to visit his soul-mate jay .....
#233 Posted by jay on December 29, 2001 10:28:22 pm
EMBICILES OF DELHI,
Vajpaye is another ruler from delhi of the tuglak tradition. Reducing the embassy staff, denying overflights and cutting of water will not make any difference to the musheraff. Vajapye is using the democratic logic, the need for support of the people. Mushy is a military dictator, and all that he cares for is the military, damn the people. If the military is not made tpo pay nothing happens. Hundreds of people have been killed in pakistan under sectarian name, but when a army man gets killed, the reaction is frocious.
Vajpaye, listen, when the sanction were removed THE FIRST THING THAT MUSHY ASKED FOR WAS F 16 FIGHTERS.
Vajpaye, respond to the pak thinking, see the reality.
Vajpaye is another ruler from delhi of the tuglak tradition. Reducing the embassy staff, denying overflights and cutting of water will not make any difference to the musheraff. Vajapye is using the democratic logic, the need for support of the people. Mushy is a military dictator, and all that he cares for is the military, damn the people. If the military is not made tpo pay nothing happens. Hundreds of people have been killed in pakistan under sectarian name, but when a army man gets killed, the reaction is frocious.
Vajpaye, listen, when the sanction were removed THE FIRST THING THAT MUSHY ASKED FOR WAS F 16 FIGHTERS.
Vajpaye, respond to the pak thinking, see the reality.
#232 Posted by Urstruly on December 29, 2001 6:53:52 pm
Binifer
In case the news hasn`t reached you yet, this war is being forced on us. Whether we like it or not we will have to fight it-so why not fight it with all the passion, all the determination, and all the courage that we can muster. The time has passed when anti-war speeches could have done something-the time has come that we have no choice but to pull the trigger. And if you are thinking that if you will shoot an enemy soldier in the foot and he will do the same then just wait when his bullet will be reaching right between your eyes.
And dont you worry about me. I am a reservist- just waiting for the call to save the motherland-alongwith millions of others. And let me repeat the question that Allah once asked those ``companions (munafiqeen)`` of our Holy Prophet who used to scare his other companions of death in the war and used to tell them that if they stay away from war they would live, Allah asked ``Try to run and hide when your own death will come-The Heifer``.
In case the news hasn`t reached you yet, this war is being forced on us. Whether we like it or not we will have to fight it-so why not fight it with all the passion, all the determination, and all the courage that we can muster. The time has passed when anti-war speeches could have done something-the time has come that we have no choice but to pull the trigger. And if you are thinking that if you will shoot an enemy soldier in the foot and he will do the same then just wait when his bullet will be reaching right between your eyes.
And dont you worry about me. I am a reservist- just waiting for the call to save the motherland-alongwith millions of others. And let me repeat the question that Allah once asked those ``companions (munafiqeen)`` of our Holy Prophet who used to scare his other companions of death in the war and used to tell them that if they stay away from war they would live, Allah asked ``Try to run and hide when your own death will come-The Heifer``.
#231 Posted by harimau on December 29, 2001 6:49:38 pm
Ref Joeseph Arokiaraj #: 125
[the major differences
1) Pakistan is called the Islamic republic of Pakistan, while India is just called as India]
Joe, you only got half of it.
Jinnah was royally pissed that India would not call itself Hindustan because he had always claimed that the nations in the Indian subcontinent are Pakistan and Hindustan.
The Pakistani newspapers always referred to India as Hindustan so that their readers will remember that their enemy is the Hindu.
The average Pakistani cannot accept the fact that Hindus are generaly tolerant and accommodating people; they attribute it to the bania`s cunning.
There is no way you can make these people see the difference between India and Pakistan.
[the major differences
1) Pakistan is called the Islamic republic of Pakistan, while India is just called as India]
Joe, you only got half of it.
Jinnah was royally pissed that India would not call itself Hindustan because he had always claimed that the nations in the Indian subcontinent are Pakistan and Hindustan.
The Pakistani newspapers always referred to India as Hindustan so that their readers will remember that their enemy is the Hindu.
The average Pakistani cannot accept the fact that Hindus are generaly tolerant and accommodating people; they attribute it to the bania`s cunning.
There is no way you can make these people see the difference between India and Pakistan.
#230 Posted by DRUMZ on December 29, 2001 6:49:38 pm
Romair: ``I will make another attempt to logically prove that the path India is following is illogical and illegal, and could lead to nuclear conflict...``
Politiking has clouded the common sense of SOME desi`s. A nuclear war? HOW Insanely stupid (I may disagree with this if the war killed all our politicians).
This issue is CRYSTAL CLEAR. Let the kashmeri`s decide what happens to them. ANY other option is STUPID, period.
Politiking has clouded the common sense of SOME desi`s. A nuclear war? HOW Insanely stupid (I may disagree with this if the war killed all our politicians).
This issue is CRYSTAL CLEAR. Let the kashmeri`s decide what happens to them. ANY other option is STUPID, period.
#229 Posted by tahmed321 on December 29, 2001 6:16:30 pm
With almost a million men, and three armored divisions, now on Pakistan`s borders, one of the two things will happen: (a) Musharaff cracks down on the jehadi groups (as he should do in any case) and the crisis subsides, or (b) War breaks out.
With half a million men in uniform, Pakistan has an excellent chance of blunting an Indian offensive (a three to one numerical superiority is considered necessary by the offensive army). And with 24 or so nukes (this is no insider knowledge, but what is commonly quoted in the press - Pakistan may well have more than this), Pakistan could very well opt to use them against the massed Indian formations.
If the Indian policy makers had brains, they would opt for option (a). My fear is that the gleam of finishing off Pakistan once and for all is driving people like Advani towards war. In that case, I think he will be in for an unpleasant surprise, just as he was a few years ago when he ``brilliantly`` switched the Pak-India confrontation from conventional to nuclear weapons, thereby assuring the end of his own dreams of ever over-running Pakistan.
Let us all pray for peace in the region.
With half a million men in uniform, Pakistan has an excellent chance of blunting an Indian offensive (a three to one numerical superiority is considered necessary by the offensive army). And with 24 or so nukes (this is no insider knowledge, but what is commonly quoted in the press - Pakistan may well have more than this), Pakistan could very well opt to use them against the massed Indian formations.
If the Indian policy makers had brains, they would opt for option (a). My fear is that the gleam of finishing off Pakistan once and for all is driving people like Advani towards war. In that case, I think he will be in for an unpleasant surprise, just as he was a few years ago when he ``brilliantly`` switched the Pak-India confrontation from conventional to nuclear weapons, thereby assuring the end of his own dreams of ever over-running Pakistan.
Let us all pray for peace in the region.
#228 Posted by Binifer on December 29, 2001 6:16:30 pm
Wah urstruly wah
Khuda humn sab ko aap jaisae gadhon sae bachaye- our families in Pakistan and India may soon be wiped off the surface of this earth and you can only talk about your hatred of Hindus after some idhar udhar kee about protests.
Semi, there is to be some sort of a silent protest on the border at wagah from Indian citizens and Pakistanis on 31st at midnight. White clothes candles shandles wagaeraah- the works. There are, somebody mentioned close to 3 thousand people expected in all- some 2 from India and close to one from Pakistan. Know anything about it? Will you be going? Can you (or anybody else who is in the city of Lahore) fill us in?
Khuda humn sab ko aap jaisae gadhon sae bachaye- our families in Pakistan and India may soon be wiped off the surface of this earth and you can only talk about your hatred of Hindus after some idhar udhar kee about protests.
Semi, there is to be some sort of a silent protest on the border at wagah from Indian citizens and Pakistanis on 31st at midnight. White clothes candles shandles wagaeraah- the works. There are, somebody mentioned close to 3 thousand people expected in all- some 2 from India and close to one from Pakistan. Know anything about it? Will you be going? Can you (or anybody else who is in the city of Lahore) fill us in?
#227 Posted by tahmed321 on December 29, 2001 6:16:30 pm
Urstruly #134 Spare me your bravado sitting half way around the world. You remind me of the regiment mullah in the 1965 war - he was talking big about war, and when the time came for the unit to move to the front he requested the commanding officer to be allowed to stay behind on account of his poor wife and children.
Why dont you go and volunteer to sit in a trench and die defending Lahore or something rather than posting your bs.
Why dont you go and volunteer to sit in a trench and die defending Lahore or something rather than posting your bs.
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