Tariq Ali December 30, 2001
#9 Posted by Banjaara on January 1, 2001 3:46:30 pm
Jay #7
``, follow the path of jinnah and Imran khan, both benefitted from the wealth of their wives.``
Dear Jay,
That`s below the belt.FYI the only one benefitting
from their wives wealth are the Hindus(lucky you).
The Muslas have to pay the ``Mehr`` to the girls:(
Happy New Year.
``, follow the path of jinnah and Imran khan, both benefitted from the wealth of their wives.``
Dear Jay,
That`s below the belt.FYI the only one benefitting
from their wives wealth are the Hindus(lucky you).
The Muslas have to pay the ``Mehr`` to the girls:(
Happy New Year.
#8 Posted by solitude on January 1, 2001 12:52:42 pm
This problem of forced marriages has been epidemic in Muslim households since the prophet forced his adopted son to give up his wife so that he (the prophet Mohammad) could marry her (his son`s wife)- a tradition of forced sexual control has since then been practiced by every civilization infected with Islamic ideaology.
I know of relatives to whom this happened and I myself was kidnapped and imprisoned in my own house in karachi (by my parents) who tried to convert me back to Islam using physical abuse and mental torture (including drugs). Ofcourse I converted back to Islam and I am so happy now :)
:)
I know of relatives to whom this happened and I myself was kidnapped and imprisoned in my own house in karachi (by my parents) who tried to convert me back to Islam using physical abuse and mental torture (including drugs). Ofcourse I converted back to Islam and I am so happy now :)
:)
#7 Posted by rsaxena on January 1, 2001 12:50:32 pm
re: AAmir
{about how muslims could NOT have been coverted without force ,but facts dont favour your theory.}
would a sword up your behind convert you into a human being first?
{about how muslims could NOT have been coverted without force ,but facts dont favour your theory.}
would a sword up your behind convert you into a human being first?
#6 Posted by saminashah on January 1, 2001 12:50:32 pm
Again Mr. Afaqui, your ability (which incidentally, you share with an unfortunately addled interactor, who is so well known, it shall go unnamed) to completely miss the point is breathtaking... M`ashallah! Here`s hoping the New Year brings clarity to you...
#5 Posted by saminashah on January 1, 2001 12:50:32 pm
Mr. Ali,
Thanks for the article, it was quite interesting. Any class,or regional indicators in these cases? Additionally, since these forced marriages seem to affect young women the most, there is an unmistakable gender control dynamic to this phenomena. Are there any women focused grassroots orgs. (in the US we have Sakhi, Mannavi, Upna Ghar) involved in these cases that might have additional analyses?
Happy New Years Everybody!
Thanks for the article, it was quite interesting. Any class,or regional indicators in these cases? Additionally, since these forced marriages seem to affect young women the most, there is an unmistakable gender control dynamic to this phenomena. Are there any women focused grassroots orgs. (in the US we have Sakhi, Mannavi, Upna Ghar) involved in these cases that might have additional analyses?
Happy New Years Everybody!
#4 Posted by Rage on January 1, 2001 12:50:32 pm
Harimau, Jay,
Reconverting to Hinduism after one has become a Muslim is akin to a human devolving to hanuman.
Reconverting to Hinduism after one has become a Muslim is akin to a human devolving to hanuman.
#3 Posted by anNy on January 1, 2001 12:50:32 pm
unkal jay:
``There was no need for you to state that you are not the famous tariq ali, your article says it all, you are a ninicompoomp``
really unkal jay..if u must copy the terms i use at least use them properly..its not ninicompoop..its nincompoop
``There was no need for you to state that you are not the famous tariq ali, your article says it all, you are a ninicompoomp``
really unkal jay..if u must copy the terms i use at least use them properly..its not ninicompoop..its nincompoop
#2 Posted by Fatimah on January 1, 2001 12:50:32 pm
Dec-31-01 21:7:37 EST Reply #: 7
jay.
````You have no idea about islam, first join some madrassa and learn.
A muslim woman seeing a non-muslim is a honourkilling crime. Imagine the muslim girl converting to another religion. ``]]
Its not Tariq who needs to learn but ninicoompoop like you.This btw is AnNys favourite vocabulary ,& she as a muslim women can teach you few things herself
Hindu Women VS Muslim Women
The Brahmins make a big campaign that Islam restricts the freedom of
women. Let us compare the positions of the Hindu woman and the Muslim
woman. See the following facts for comparison and then try to bring
these Brahmins to their senses.
The Hindu Woman:
1. The Hindu Woman has no right to divorce her husband.
2. She has no property or inheritance rights.
3. Choice of partner is limited because she can only marry within her
own caste; moreover her horoscope must match that of the intending
bridegroom/family.
4. The family of the girl has to offer an enormous dowry to the
bridegroom/family.
5. If her husband dies she should commit Sati (being cremated with her
dead husband). Since today`s law forbids Sati, society mainly punishes
her in other ``holy`` ways (see below).
6. She cannot remarry.
7. The widow is considered to be a curse and must not be seen in public.
She cannot wear jewelry or colourful clothes. (She should not even take
part in her children`s marriage!)
8. Child and infant marriage is encouraged.
The Muslim Woman:
1.The Muslim woman has the same right as the Muslim man in all matters
including divorce.
2. She enjoys property and inheritance rights. (Which other religion
grants women these rights?). She can also conduct her own separate
business.
3. She can marry any Muslim of her choice. If her parents choose a
partner for her, her consent must be taken.
4. The dowry in Islam is a gift from a husband to his wife (not the
other way around as is practiced by some ignorant Muslims).
5. A Muslim widow is encouraged to remarry, and her remarriage is the
responsibility of the Muslim society.
6.Mixed marriage is encouraged and is a means to prevent racism creeping
in society.
7. A Muslim mother is given the highest form of respect.
What right do the Hindus have to criticize the Muslims? Have you ever
heard of a Muslim burning his wife? In India women die daily of dowry
deaths, Hindu women being burnt by the husband or in-laws. It is a fact
that upper caste Hindus ill-treat their women. The Brahmins are trying
to claim that Muslims do not give freedom to their women. I ask you
again. ``Do the Hindus respect their women?``
You be the judge.
jay.
````You have no idea about islam, first join some madrassa and learn.
A muslim woman seeing a non-muslim is a honourkilling crime. Imagine the muslim girl converting to another religion. ``]]
Its not Tariq who needs to learn but ninicoompoop like you.This btw is AnNys favourite vocabulary ,& she as a muslim women can teach you few things herself
Hindu Women VS Muslim Women
The Brahmins make a big campaign that Islam restricts the freedom of
women. Let us compare the positions of the Hindu woman and the Muslim
woman. See the following facts for comparison and then try to bring
these Brahmins to their senses.
The Hindu Woman:
1. The Hindu Woman has no right to divorce her husband.
2. She has no property or inheritance rights.
3. Choice of partner is limited because she can only marry within her
own caste; moreover her horoscope must match that of the intending
bridegroom/family.
4. The family of the girl has to offer an enormous dowry to the
bridegroom/family.
5. If her husband dies she should commit Sati (being cremated with her
dead husband). Since today`s law forbids Sati, society mainly punishes
her in other ``holy`` ways (see below).
6. She cannot remarry.
7. The widow is considered to be a curse and must not be seen in public.
She cannot wear jewelry or colourful clothes. (She should not even take
part in her children`s marriage!)
8. Child and infant marriage is encouraged.
The Muslim Woman:
1.The Muslim woman has the same right as the Muslim man in all matters
including divorce.
2. She enjoys property and inheritance rights. (Which other religion
grants women these rights?). She can also conduct her own separate
business.
3. She can marry any Muslim of her choice. If her parents choose a
partner for her, her consent must be taken.
4. The dowry in Islam is a gift from a husband to his wife (not the
other way around as is practiced by some ignorant Muslims).
5. A Muslim widow is encouraged to remarry, and her remarriage is the
responsibility of the Muslim society.
6.Mixed marriage is encouraged and is a means to prevent racism creeping
in society.
7. A Muslim mother is given the highest form of respect.
What right do the Hindus have to criticize the Muslims? Have you ever
heard of a Muslim burning his wife? In India women die daily of dowry
deaths, Hindu women being burnt by the husband or in-laws. It is a fact
that upper caste Hindus ill-treat their women. The Brahmins are trying
to claim that Muslims do not give freedom to their women. I ask you
again. ``Do the Hindus respect their women?``
You be the judge.
#1 Posted by AAmir on January 1, 2001 12:50:32 pm
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