Forced Marriages in the UK

Tariq,

There was no need for you to state that you are not the famous tariq ali, your article says it all, you are a ninicompoomp. You have no idea about islam, first join some madrassa and learn. A muslim woman seeing a non-muslim is a honourkilling crime. Imagine the muslim girl converting to another religion. Tariq, it is always the women getting imprisoned. For men it is OK, they can marry any woman, convert them to islam, follow the path of jinnah and Imran khan, both benefitted from the wealth of their wives.

Ref AAmir #: 5

[There are many incosistencies in life ,but given the discrimination of Indian muslims ,WOULD THEY HAVE NOT BECOME Buddhist or Christians ,if they were not true Muslims.]

There are many incosistencies in life, but given the discrimination of Indian Dalits, WOULD THEY HAVE NOT BECOME Buddhist or Christians, if they were not true Hindus.

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``forced marriages`` sound rather antiquated. It is somewhat surprising that such a thing should occur at all in Britain (maybe the case mentioned is exceedingly rare?)

Even in India the majority of marriages are ``arranged`` but few are ``forced``. Certainly there should be a legal remedy in such cases. I suspect forced marriages occur in certain ``backward`` parts of the country (or within ``backward`` communities that have strong proscriptions)

In the ``arranged`` marriage scenario what happens is that there is a free market of would-be brides and grooms. People put out ads in papers and on the net and through word of mouth.

Prospective brides/grooms communicate/meet with each other in this marry-go-around till something clicks or they run out of options or they choose to remain single.

While I have nothing against ``love`` marriages it seems to me that the arranged marriage market is more efficient in matching compatible persons. There is nothing so great about ``love``; its overrated, far more than sex.

Most arranged marriages are conducted within-community (however defined) but its not uncommon to have ``caste, religion, community no bar; divorcees welcome`` kind of statements in ads

Tariq Ali.

[Arranged marriages are completely different from forced marriages. I am in favour of arranged marriages whiich is consent from both spouses. Not everybody forces their children into marriage it is only a minority in the Asian community that do that.``]

Very True.

Good,Valuable & short Tariq Ali.It is such practical,timely and problem-solving articles & news items that we need on Chowk.

It is the curse of the British education system which has been haunting the muslims every-where which has produces ultra-jahils but extra-moneymakers in society.So much so that most of these jahils are not aware of the contents of their own Nikah-namaas.

If only they could know how advanced they are & how gradually the west is co-optig all those great features of their religion & giving everyone an impression that it is their ``discoveries``

As I have frequently mentioned the Bhoora-Goraas would eat gobar-burgers & drink piss-shakes only but only if it is a US brand.At no period in human history a bunch of slaves have ever happily announced their ability to proclaim what they have ceased to be.

There are three classes of Indo-Pakis:

1)those who are imported------mostly

muslims & brahmins

2)Those who want to be exported---mostly mixed breeds of hindus & muslims.

3)Those who are desperately waiting for an outsider to come,rule over them and ``solve`` their miseries and make them feel proud of themselves.

(This was a short crash course in Indian History)

Another category is of those who are in a hurry to look like Michael Jackson,the white version.Ready to get their DNAs ``improved`` they are willing to go to any extent to get screwed---even if they have to mortgage their soul.Bollywood & Lollywood are a good glimpse into the mindset of this english-school type.Look around in any Indo-Pak gathering you will find aplenty.Readily recognisable by their semi-naked wives & daughters,cospicuous by their penchant for brand-names(car,jewellery,shoes,shirt etc) so that they put their empty brains on display,and a stark absence of their interest in anything which cannot be measured,weighed or counted.

Ref AAmir #: 1

[Forced marriage is wrong in Islam]

Let us see what else is supposedly wrong in Islam:

Forced conversions is wrong. Well, that would mean about 950 million Muslims will return to the religions of their forefathers. All Pakistanis will become Hindus. There will be no reason for Pakistan to exist as a separate country. There will be no possibility of a nuclear war in South Asia.

Hey, not a bad idea, huh?

Oops. I forgot: Apostasy is wrong in Islam.

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Are you the same sorry character as that pitiable pyar kiye ja? Both of you are totally pathetic.

Didn`t your family know about infanticide at the time you were born?

ana #42 Looks like the earlier post you mention did not make it. I assume it was some technical glitch, unless the chowk moderator decided to make his presence felt. Thanks for writing.

kiran sahiba--35

The reason Anees has been mentioned is because you expressed an interest in word-usage.He is soooo powerful that it is difficult to continue reading him without a palpitating,racing heart.

And I am talking about just the usage of words and NOT the subject matter---which itself deserves attention.

No Urdu poet of any stature can move ahead without negotiating with this master.

Ghalib felt so feeble & apologetic that when he visited Anees to pay his respects he composed a few lines in Anees` genre(that is the custom) but just couldn`t.....``Srkaar buss yeh aap hee kaa hissaa hai``.

Where would you find a king himself(Vajid Ali Shah)stannding next to a poet(Anees) and making himself available as a personal servant?I have a handpainting(copy) of that occasion.

It is Anees who composed the tareekh e wafat for Ghalib & that is the one which still graces the epitaph.

``Mirza Ghalib Asadullah sey milnay ko gayay``

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I hope you did not find this tidbit `overbearing`.

Humzad saheb,

Aapkey yaqeen ka shukriya, khud apney baarey mein yeh kehney sey qaasir hoonh. Anees ko meinnay parrha nahi hay, lehaaza kuch keh nahi sakti, aur choonkay aap ghaaliban Faiz kay madDah hein, isliye mein apni raaye unkay baarey mein mehfooz rekhoon gi. Leikin unka aik shair arz hay:

Jo rukkay to koh giraan thay hum, jo chaley to jaaN sey guzzar gaye

Rah-e-yaar humnay qadam qadam tujhey yaadgaar banadiya.

Khair andaish

Kiran

Humzad saheb,

Aapkey yaqeen ka shukriya, khud apney baarey mein yeh kehney sey qaasir hoonh. Anees ko meinnay parrha nahi hay, lehaaza kuch keh nahi sakti, aur choonkay aap ghaaliban Faiz kay madDah hein, isliye mein apni raaye unkay baarey mein mehfooz rekhoon gi. Leikin unka aik shair arz hay:

Jo rukkay to koh giraan thay hum, jo chaley to jaaN sey guzzar gaye

Rah-e-yaar humnay qadam qadam tujhey yaadgaar banadiya.

Khair andaish

Kiran

mohtarma kiran sahiba:--33

Humein yuqeen hai keh ugar alfaaz kee qalamroo sey aap kaa guzar hotaa hai to lazmunn aap iss iquleem kay shahinshah yaanee Meer Anees kay durbaar mein haazree detee rehtee hongee.

Humm ney eik duffa faiz sahib ko ghair liyaa,aur unn ko bataannay pur majboor kyaa,kay kaun urdu shaair,unn kee daanist mein,subb sey barray durjay pur hai,to jo naam unhon nein liyaa voh Anees hee kaa thaa.

Anees ko humm nein ussi vaqt sey gulaay lagayaa huaa hai aur faiz sahib pur hamaara eemaan pukhtaa tur hotaa chalaa jaata hai.

``Voh to voh hai,tumhein ho jaayegee ulfat mujh sey

ikk nazar tumm meraa mehboob e nazar to dekho``

Faiz sahib jo angraizee shaaree,hurr qism kee,sey khoob vaaquif thhay,Meer Anees aur Meer Taqui Meer ko urdu/angraizee shaeree mein subb sey azeem gurdaantey thhay.

hamzad saheb #29:

Guilty on both counts. :) LafzoN sey khailney ka khatarnaak shauq paal rekha hay.

harimau #27:

Sure let me explain, (as if it needs any more explaining)when you [or anyone for that matter] comment on politics, which is more often than not a discussion in vain, made up of mud-slinging and spewing bile, I don`t care. When you get personal with others, and outright insult them, I don`t care either, but to be so bold as to just make a stupid statement like: every Pakistani wanting to convert to hinduism, sheesh! How stupid is that? Learn to have an argument without bringing religion in, and then let`s see how brainy and/or manly you really are! Something to think about. Hmm?

Is being nice so very impossible for you?

You try and have a nice day.

Kiran

hamzad saheb #29:

Guilty on both counts. :) LafzoN sey khailney ka khatarnaak shauq paal rekha hay.