War Now and, Forever?

re: AeishA # 99

Arey bhaijan, aise nahi kahte. I am from UP, and I have always known that ali1 is a humwatan. If he is not, then I must start believing in re-incarnation - something the rationalist in me has been resisting.

BTW, it was not the language that drew my attention first, it was our friend`s ``ideas.`` I am intimately familiar with that kind of thinking :)

````I also would like to further add to this and request that CHOWK become a part of regular reading for both the Pakistani ``ISI`` and the Indian ``RAW`` Intelligence Agencies so that they can hear our message loud and clear.

That is: Indians and Pakistanis, Hindus and Muslims etc.do not want to hate each other or want to remain at each other`s throats for the rest of eternity.````(Ras)

Bless you Ras. One day the TWAIN SHALL meet -- inshaallah

YOU KNOW WHAT I AM SAYING

Tony the poodle is here. You know what I am saying. Sure he is gonna teach some face saving tricks to the wannabe poodle. You know what I am saying. And the wannabe poodles will be back in the rat holes where they belong. You know what I am saying. Wannabe poodles are begging the poodle god to save them from the mess they have gotten themselves into. You know what I am saying. There is a great lesson for us Pakis in all this poodle game. You know what I am saying. The message is:

1. It is our nuclear prowess that has saved our ass. You know what I am saying.

2. Which means we have to develope more precision guided stuff. You know what I am saying.

3. There is still no substitute for manpower in the army-despite nuclear prowess.You know what I am saying.

4. Paksitan`s support for freedom fighter policy is correct. As long as India`s back is vulnerable they wont dare to attack us. You know what I am saying.

5. The greatest lesson is that neither poodle nor poodle god can (or want to) solve the Kashmir problem. So Pakistan`s current policy is in right direction. You know what I am saying.

Headline from NYT ``Afghan City, Free of Taliban, Returns to Rule of the Thieves``

Between the Scylla of Mullahism and the Charybdis of Thieves (small-time like the ones in Afghanistan, and big time as in Pakistan), what the hell are the ordinary folks supposed to do!!

Ali1:

Reading your `colourful` language tempts me to make a guess -- is your family originally from eastern UP or Bihar? This is a hypothesis that I would like to test. Thanks

RE: In Reply # 82 nasah wrote

``dear tahmed and Ras:

Do you get the feeling both Musharraf and Vajpayee are reading the Chowk????``

Dear nasah,
one can certainly hope so. CHOWK
does have its hawks on both sides but there are
a bunch of very reasonable people here too. I also would like to further add to this and request that CHOWK become a part of regular reading for both the Pakistani ``ISI`` and the Indian ``RAW`` Intelligence Agencies so that they can hear our message loud and clear. That is:
Indians and Pakistanis, Hindus and Muslims etc.
do not want to hate each other or want to remain
at each other`s throats for the rest of eternity.

Ras

ali1 #89 I recall sometime back you had observed that the rear end of the mullahs was throbbing in anticipation of being penetrated by a tomahawk missile...and presumably the last few weeks these rear ends have finally found peace and satisfaction. Why should our own Pakistani mullahs be denied the same pleasure? The Indians want the mullahs, let us hand them not 20 but 20,000 of them (This will also improve the food situation in Pakistan immediately).

Urstruly:

“Iam not sure but we can do something to protect Paksitan that Serbs did-especially now when all Pakistanis are so scared that they have to go to bathroom several times at night.”

….if war and its horrors don’t scare you, you’re more foolish then i thought….if the notion of war is so alluring, the local JeM and LeT centers await…they’re desperate for recruits to fight the infidels in kashmir….i’m sure you’ll be more than welcome…

THE COW SHIELDS

I am sick and tired of reading this (written mostly by Pakis)``India is no USA, and Pakistan is no Afghanistan``. Well there must be some kind of comparison. US vs. Serbs? May be. I am not sure but we can do something to protect Paksitan that Serbs did-especially now when all Pakistanis are so scared that they have to go to bathroom several times at night. Serbs tied down Western journalists and diplomats to the telephone poles at their amunition dumps, and other strategic asstes and used them as human shields. Similarly I would strongly recommend Paksitani government to tie die cows at their nuclear assets, ammunition dumps, and other strategic installations.

nasah #82 Hopefully they dont need chowk to understand the importance of India and Pakistan becoming friendly neighbors. Incidentally, Musharaff`s son I recall did write an article on chowk when Musharaff took over, to defend his father saying ``He had no choice (except to take over)``.

Reply # 76 tahmed321

[``agreed that war between two nuclear-armed countries would be a disaster``]

tahamed sahib, let me reassure you once again; There will be NO war. Banya sookhi phoosiaN maar raha hai.

There position of ``abki maar ke dekh, mamoon (US) ko bula loonga`` is not tenable in the medium term. Niether can they attract the attention of the international community again and again with similar brinkmanship. This whore has run out of tricks, tahmed sahib!

It would be interesting to see how India reacts if the terrorists pull some dramatic stunt right now. For example a high profile kidnapping and then some fun with the hostage; like castrating Bhadwant Singh or sealing Advani`s rectum after stuffing it with Habaneros peppers. This would expose India`s hollow war threats.

After reading some posts in response to Viresh Malik`s article, I get the feeling that it will take us (I am talking about a majority here), the people from India and Pakistan, about 50 more years to get out of our prehistoric ways of thinking (and this is only if we keep on improving on our education levels). Our way of rationalizing is very strange and we rarely put ourselves in each others shoes. We just assume that we are right and other party is wrong on most contentious issues.

About the most contentious issue of Kashmir,

All that we know about Kashmir is what our respective goverments have wanted us to know.

This is very true for Pakistanis where everything is controlled by goverment and the govt. has been mostly military (or greatly influenced by it) and this is true for Indians also who think they are ``free``. Free we might be to vote and choose the government (and we know what we get after that..Laloo/Mulayam etc) but we are not free from the shackles of bureaucracy or age old sucking customs.

Live a life of a common man in Srinagar or worst still in Baramulla or other small Kashmir town and you`ll see how free you are.

Why don`t I see a word here from an Indian saying ``Militants are doing bad by creating terror but military should also try to behave properly and should not harass people unnecessarily``. The reason is they don`t know what military is doing and they don`t want to know either.

One can live a good life in J&K and in ``democratic and free`` India only if:

- One have good amount of money to bribe

- One thinks bribing is okay where it gets work done.

- One can get harassed (i am not talking of regular security checks here) by police on checkposts and do not mind it thinking of it as a way of life.

- One has no problem begging/buttering/requesting corrupt goverment officals to get things done like getting widow pension.

- One does not have guts to take a stand against the above things and think of them as part of life.

I am very sure that life in Pakistan is worse but I am not much concerned about it as Pakistanis can and will take care of their country.

Lets fix our home first and don`t blame everything on militancy and Pakistan. Better nations are made of better men. So be a little ethical, report anyone asking for a bribe and do not pay it, be a little more disciplined and professional in life and be a little more gutsy.

We are a great nation and we can be the greatest nation (not just the powerful nation) if we fix ourselves. Critisize our own bad things as much as we do Pakistan on militancy as once we realize whats wrong we try to fix it.

dear tahmed and Ras:

Do you get the feeling both Musharraf and Vajpayee are readig the Chowk????

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