War Now and, Forever?

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Re: Romair

Thank you for a science lesson on the after-effects of a nuclear war. We do appreciate it. Did you consider all of these options when you stood up on the soap-box right here on Chowk and said that Pakistan should facilitate and encourage infiltrators to enter India (a nuclear armed state, just like Pakistan)? Did you consider the consequences that you are now explaining to us so lucidly when you were telling us about how to `bleed India through a thousand cuts` and how `Pakistan could not lose`? Did you consider all of this when you said `Shabaash` to the infiltrators who had just returned from their murderous ventures into India, and who regaled with stories about their exploits in downtown Lahore? This is what the Chinese (in whom you have thrown your entire lot -- remember their need for Pakistani land at your behest to grow crops?) while throwing caution to the winds seem to think (BBC):

``...Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf received a much cooler reception this week than on his previous trip just weeks ago...He met Chinese Prime Minister Zhu Rongji, but Beijing said that was only at Pakistan`s request, and there was no meeting with Chinese President Jiang Zemin...But in the last two years (China`s) relations with India have rapidly begun to thaw, and at the same time China has begun to have serious misgivings about Pakistan`s policy in Kashmir...As one western diplomat in Beijing put it: ``They`ve suddenly realised they`ve got this unstable government, Islamic radicals and nuclear bombs sitting around, and this tends to be a Chinese leader`s nightmare. They don`t want things blowing up in their face.````

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1741000/1741349.stm

And this is what the former Indian COAS had warned about:

``...The present situation is also related to what I had said some years ago. I had then stated that, ``a proxy or sub conventional war in the Indo-Pak security scenario can easily escalate into a conventional war``. When pushed to the wall, an `affected` nation may use its conventional forces to bring the proxy war into the open rather than fight with all the limitations of a `no-war-no-peace` situation. If that does not happen, and the initiator of the proxy war perceives that the `affected` nation is now sufficiently weak, it would be tempted to turn the proxy war into a conventional war to gain its politico-military objective. It happened at the time of Kargil and can happen again...``

I am sure that you also know that India has a `no-first use` policy on nukes. If you continue to support infiltration and also use nukes to support that policy, then you should know what the world thinks of such a policy.

Kind regards.

Ref 12-head-M.A.Jinnah #: 24

[Churchill took the unpopular discision of promising independence to India in 40s ,for the promise of help in ww2 by india .

He lived to his end of the bargain & LOST HIS ELECTION.]

Churchill never promised independence to India. In fact he was dead set against it.

However, with a handle like M.A.Jinnah, I am sure twisting historical facts comes with the name.

Ref 12-head-Deepika #: 17

100 bucks says that Naheed Mustafa is fat and ugly.

Does your wife wear a hijab?

Do your daughters?

Ref 12-head-Fatimah #: 11

[DONT CRY FOR ME INDIA,THE TRUTH IS I NEVER COULD BE HAPPIER

I am a Muslim Woman

I am a Muslim Woman

Feel free to ask me why

When I walk, I walk with dignity

When I speak, I do not lie

Blah, blah, blah.....]

Yet when VS Naipaul marries Nadira, it is balidaan of a Muslim woman to a Hindu. She obviously doesn`t have much choice except to marry a Muslim and perpetuate The Faithful and if she chooses to marry out of her religion there is some mullah ready to issue fatwas. Consult fatwa-online.com

What a pathetic loser. I guess the realization is dawning on you that your teenage daughters dress as they please and can`t wait to get out of your home to go to some far-off college so they don`t have to listen to your crap about Muslim Woman.

Those Indians who don`t believe in the 2-nation theory are fools!

Thank god the partition happened and all the extremist elements got separated from India.Look what all the islamic fundamentalists from Pakistan and Bangladesh are doing in the UK.

Just imagine, if partition wouldn`t have happened:-

* *People like Azhar Masood (J-e-m) would have been an Indian citizen.

* *US & the civilized world would have blamed India for exporting Islamic fundamentalist.

[``Why don`t my Pakistani friends ask 50% of their population, the women, if they want to follow the much vaunted hard core Islamic model which reduces them to drudgery?``]

Actually, we asked and Pakistani women said they wanted the Indian model of female infanticide and bride burning which has reduced the male:female ratio to 100:88.7 in India.

[``For anybody following India over the past few decades, this evolution has been fairly drastic and is ongoing all the time.``]

Yeah yeah, sure sure, some evolution.

It makes us envious you see. We are envious:

- of your democratically elected Hindu fundametalist PM who beleives that the demolition of mosques is India`s national will.

- of your seats of higher learning where Vedic Astrology is being taught and history is being officially rewritten. Ah... your glorious democracy.

- of your duly elected Hindu fundamentalist officals and their sidekicks who beat Indian Couples and vandalize stationary shops on Valentines day...... of course no one elected Taliban`s Ministry of Vice and Virtue.

- of BJP`s student wing that enforces its sari/shalwar kameez only dress code on college girls in Kanpur.... but hey... the Indian democracy has evolved, hasn`t it!

- of the Bubonic plague spread by your rat-god in Gujrat, and widespread HIV infections... heck even your bactiria and viruses are evolving.

- of your world`s largest thriving free market of kidneys and other human body parts. bijniss! bijniss!

- of your achoots and maleechs who clean the human excreta with their hands and carry it on their heads. Mahn, its a pain flushing every potty that you ever do...

- of your fine cuisine of daal masoor, aaloo gobhi and gobhi aaloo; we are even envious of your sophisticated dressing, like how the phuck do you tuck your dhoti on the rear side.

The list is endless. You are fast evolving from home-erectus to neanderthals in you glorious Brahmin Raj and we are all very very envious.

[``how more Muslims live peacefully in India than anywhere else in this world other than Indonesia.``]

Yeah. This is a major source of envy. Like the killers of 3000 Bombay muslims keep on living peacefully in Bombay without any fear of prosecution. Boy, wouldn`t our Jihadis love to kill 3000 hindus in Pakistan and live happily ever after. The 17000 muslim TADA detainees in Gujarat turned our police green. They would love to incarcerate 17000 hindus indefinitely; yeah sure baby.

[``Can the fundamentalist mullahs do it, can they stop the peacock from dancing on their graves?``]

Can Hindu fundamentalists do it? Can they force the peacocks to wear saffron instead of green feathers? Can they force them to pass saffron instead of green stools?

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OK. I am getting bored now. If this shitnozzle thinks India is a great society, country whatever, and Pakistan is a 6th century retard, so be it. Just that we are not dying without you. Get ready to meet your halfbreed naga/punjabi cousin and other relatives in hell.

The bottomline of my article was to request the Pakistanis to please control their resident loonies inhouse, (note: I don`t say these are Pakistani loonies, I say these are your resident loonies) otherwise please join us or don`t stop us from India in controlling said loonies, because they have been hassling all of us, Indians and Pakistanis, for far too long now. We have now seen from the way these loonies have run with their shalwars down in Afghanistan that they would do the same in the rest of the world too; what else do you expect from local hero type regional bully cowards?

It is true that we in India have our share of loonies too, but we keep them inhouse. Now and then we elect them, and if they misbehave, avast! Nothing spectacular or wrong in that, every country has its share of ``loonies in time``. Sometimes they are also called Republicans.

Please read the interview with what seems to be Head of Pakistani Loonies, ex-Godfather ISI DG Hamid Gul, latest published in Herald/Karachi & Indian Express/Delhi. This grand poobah makes a case for his stupidity based on an internecine conflict between the Pakistan Military and the Pakistan Foreign Office!

As for the constant wail about worrying about Kashmiris from Pakistanis, give it a break. Nobody believes it, least of all the Kashmiris themselves, who are quivering witness to the way in which Pakistan has dumped the Afghans, inspite of ``strategic depth``.

Fatimah #11

``DONT CRY FOR ME INDIA,THE TRUTH IS I NEVER COULD BE HAPPIER

I am a Muslim Woman

I am a Muslim Woman

Feel free to ask me why

When I walk, I walk with dignity

When I speak, I do not lie``

I am reminded of a song By Canadian rockers Rush:

``You can chosse a ready guide in some celestial voice

If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice

You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill

I will choose a path that`s clear, I will choose Free Will``

Looks like you have chosen not to choose, in fact not even questioned WHY you have chosen what you have not chosen.

I was having a heated discussion with a friend the other day which was triggered off by his admission that the women in his home don`t enter the kitchen during their periods. His contention was that for them it`s a welcome break from the daily grind and a time to relax and catch up on other pursuits, so who am I to object? My point was that what their bodies went through was their own business and nobody can force them to feel guilty or impure becuase of a purely physiological phenomenon. Sadly he was unconvinced.

So let me ask you the same things I did him: is it OK to oppress if the oppressed is comfortable with oppression? I read recently somewhere that there was a substantial portion of blacks who never wanted to be freed from slavery because their identities were so intricately linked to that of their masters` and they were genuinely afraid of what would happen to them if they were released of their bonds. Are you sure this isn`t what`s happened to you?

You seem like an educated, eloquent woman. Your views on modesty and family values echo with those of my own. But does that mean that blind prejudice and oppression must be turned a blind eye to?

``I am a Muslim Woman,

Not all of me you`ll see

But what you should appreciate

Is that the choice I make is free``

Sure.... YOU make the choice.... but there are far too many who are forced into a lifestyle not of their choosing... worse still, they don`t even KNOW what they are capable of because they are denied every opportunity: to be educated, to earn their living, to stand shoulder to shoulder with males in their societies. And I don`t mean just Islamic societies. Traditional Indian societies, esp. Brahminical ones, are no better.

``You often stare as I walk by

You don`t understand my veil

But peace and power I have found

For I am equal to any male``

You are NOT equal to every male. If you are raped in Pakistan, you need four witnesses for every one that your rapist can produce, or you end up stoned to death for adultery. You cannot wear jeans or bare your arms in Saudi Arabia because you might tempt some poor slave-to-his-hormones male into having lascivious thoughts. So please don`t give me that equality spiel.

Muslim women ARE oppressed, the sooner they realise it the better for humankind in general because then the mad mullahs will just be forced to run with their tails between their legs and people can maybe start focusing on what it is REALLY that will make their lives better.

BTW, you really write well.... or was that a plagiarised piece?

SM

ali1 #21
From what I gather, Salahuddin apparently contested unsuccessfully 3 times, the last being the famous rigged election of 1987. I thought I saw mentioned in an Indian newspaper recently that he was tortured when he protested the results of the `87 election. Geelani contested elections and was MLA for 15 years until 1989 when he resigned. Both Salahuddin and Geelani are closely linked to Qazi Hussain and the Pakistani Jamaat-i-Islami if I am right.

As Kashmiri leaders go, they too have opted for the typical untenable choices made by political leaders involved in Jammu and Kashmir. Neither Salahuddin nor Geelani show more remorse than other parties in Jammu and Kashmir in the killing of fellow Kashmiris for their own aims. Geelani has stated that the Jammu and Kashmir issue is a religious one not a political one, saying at the same time `the minorities would have to accept the verdict of the majority`.

Both these leaders are now beholden to the choices made by their sponsors in Pakistan. If I understood it right, Salahuddin and Hizbul Mujahiddeen came under fire from the United Jihad Council comprising jihadi organizations for announcing a ceasefire and had to quickly withdraw the ceasefire and go back to toeing the UJC line. The UJC, apart from fulfilling strategic aims of their Pakistani masters of `keeping the Indian Army engaged`, is willing to look at the resolution of Kashmir only in terms of the winning of a religious holy war on their own terms. Similar to their role model Osama, they display an appetite for open-ended religion-based conflict without accountability to mere humans, which bodes ill for Kashmir.

narain,

[...stop being held hostage by the past...]

yes, but how about some non-academic cures?