A Mathematical Genius
Mohammad Gill January 15, 2002
#43 Posted by shammi on January 22, 2002 12:14:37 pm
I recently saw the movie `Beautiful Mind` based on Nash`s life story. It was a very touching movie, to say the least. It immediately reminded me of a friend who although not a schizophrenic was a mathematical genius and suffered from the same lack of social skills that Nash exhibited. This friend (whom I knew from 4th grade through Ph.D. at Yale University) predicted that he would easily obtain a `sub-100` rank in the Indian Institute of Technology admission exam ONE YEAR PRIOR TO THE EXAM. Although we never doubted his genius, we all thought that he was nuts to make such a prediction because the difference of only a few points in the exam can make a difference of hundreds in the rankings! But sure enough, he ranked 64 in the All India list and went to graduate with a degree in Computer Science and then on to Yale University on a full scholarship. When he scored a perfect 800 on the GRE, The Times of India mentioned him in an article.
Unfortunately, his brilliance was evident to only a few people that he could socialize with, and for most he appeared to be a recluse, and a difficult person to get along with. He was constantly bored at school, and the teachers thought that he was disrespectful and indifferent.
Unfortunately, his brilliance was evident to only a few people that he could socialize with, and for most he appeared to be a recluse, and a difficult person to get along with. He was constantly bored at school, and the teachers thought that he was disrespectful and indifferent.
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#42 Posted by scout on January 21, 2002 10:48:43 pm
suxena #33, ``what is the right term to describe the mental condition Studebaker suffers from?``
it`s more behavioral than mental, a mix of insecurity and the desire to get attention by all means necessary...which has worked...he`s definitely grabbed the attention of everyone on Chowk except for me because i`m special. why don`t you try being special too and ignore the fellow.
it`s more behavioral than mental, a mix of insecurity and the desire to get attention by all means necessary...which has worked...he`s definitely grabbed the attention of everyone on Chowk except for me because i`m special. why don`t you try being special too and ignore the fellow.
#41 Posted by Trojan Colt on January 21, 2002 8:38:06 pm
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The Onion presents:
DATING TIPS
The dating world can be a bewildering place. Here are some tips to help you navigate the perilous waters of love:
Ladies: Your date`s salary divided by your own equals the base you should let him get to on the first date.
If you are overweight and socially awkward, consider ``online dating.`` You can go on a dragonslaying adventure instead of to a movie, play games on Pogo.com instead of dancing, and masturbate instead of having real sex.
Do not bathe for several days prior to a date to get your pheromones good and strong.
Never date a married person, unless he or she is just about to leave his or her spouse and simply waiting for the right moment.
When planning a romantic candlelit dinner, the right music can create the perfect mood. Put on The Best Of Spike Jones to create a freewheeling, anything-goes atmosphere.
Maintain a casual, ``Let`s just have fun`` attitude until the other person starts seeing someone else. Then let the tears and accusations fly.
Remember: There`s only one way to console a widow.
To make a lasting impression on a first date, declare yourself his or her eternal soulmate and propose marriage.
Why don`t you ask that Julie girl out? She`s a lovely girl. You`re practically 35, for God`s sake. Fine, rip your mother`s heart out.
If you are a princess being courted by a low-born but beloved suitor, be sure to elude the watchful eye of the lord high chamberlain.
Instead of going out tonight, punch yourself in the nuts three times and the heart twice. This will save you approximately $75.
#40 Posted by Prem on January 20, 2002 8:42:07 pm
anarayan and tahmed321,
Yes, narayan, I have spoken to him. Everytime I return to India, I make it a point to see him, and talk to him, even if briefly, for he is very dear to me. And other than his mother, the only person he trusts and respects is me...which is very sad because I am not in India...and thus of not much help to him.
It is difficult to piece together the exact trajectory of steps or causations that led to his schizophrenia. Talking to him about it is of limited value since schizophrenia`s assault on him began when he was too young to understand his world through analytical prisms...and because schizophrenia broke the very instrument he could later use to grasp the world - his mind.
He was a brilliant kid, of artistic temperament, polite engaging demeanour, and phenomenal memory. About ten years my junior, he would happily square up against me in word games we played whenever I visited home from my boarding school. That`s when both of us fell in love with each other. I loved the way he stood out from the crowd, both in taste and in ability; and he was probably grateful that I recognized his special needs and tried to provide for them. For instance, when he was a grade five student, on his request, I helped him get school Hindi text books for grades seven and eight. To this day, I can not forget the look of bliss and gratitude on his young face.
I was certain he would go on to shatter all academic records in our extended family. But by the time he was in the seventh grade (11-12 years of age), changes must have begun inside of him. His performance in the 7th grade was merely average, and decidedly below average in grade 8. His father, who was a disciplinarian, tried to push him, which might have made matters worse.
I do not have more detailed knowledge of his childhood years because for most of that time I was away from Lucknow. But from a distance, and in horror, I watched him descend into full fledged schizophrenia between the years 13-17 of his age.
His disorder was recognized relatively early...and the best, if not the most expensive, treatment (counselling and medical) was provided to him. He is about 21 now...and the treatment continues...he has become relatively stable at this stage...but is a mere shadow of what a fine young person he would have been .....
What led to this tragedy? Nobody really seems to have an answer. Was it the stress of being so highly gifted? Or, the stress of being sent to a city-school at an early age? None of these things were unique to him in our family`s history. He was raised like everybody else...an existence of limited means and few luxuries, but with the basic needs of the entire joint family regularly met.
So, again, I don`t know. And nobody else does. One day our medical understanding of schizophrenia will become so complete, and medication so effective that treatment in every case will be successful. But until then the struggle and the bravery of both the schizophrenics and those dealing with them continues.
Yes, narayan, I have spoken to him. Everytime I return to India, I make it a point to see him, and talk to him, even if briefly, for he is very dear to me. And other than his mother, the only person he trusts and respects is me...which is very sad because I am not in India...and thus of not much help to him.
It is difficult to piece together the exact trajectory of steps or causations that led to his schizophrenia. Talking to him about it is of limited value since schizophrenia`s assault on him began when he was too young to understand his world through analytical prisms...and because schizophrenia broke the very instrument he could later use to grasp the world - his mind.
He was a brilliant kid, of artistic temperament, polite engaging demeanour, and phenomenal memory. About ten years my junior, he would happily square up against me in word games we played whenever I visited home from my boarding school. That`s when both of us fell in love with each other. I loved the way he stood out from the crowd, both in taste and in ability; and he was probably grateful that I recognized his special needs and tried to provide for them. For instance, when he was a grade five student, on his request, I helped him get school Hindi text books for grades seven and eight. To this day, I can not forget the look of bliss and gratitude on his young face.
I was certain he would go on to shatter all academic records in our extended family. But by the time he was in the seventh grade (11-12 years of age), changes must have begun inside of him. His performance in the 7th grade was merely average, and decidedly below average in grade 8. His father, who was a disciplinarian, tried to push him, which might have made matters worse.
I do not have more detailed knowledge of his childhood years because for most of that time I was away from Lucknow. But from a distance, and in horror, I watched him descend into full fledged schizophrenia between the years 13-17 of his age.
His disorder was recognized relatively early...and the best, if not the most expensive, treatment (counselling and medical) was provided to him. He is about 21 now...and the treatment continues...he has become relatively stable at this stage...but is a mere shadow of what a fine young person he would have been .....
What led to this tragedy? Nobody really seems to have an answer. Was it the stress of being so highly gifted? Or, the stress of being sent to a city-school at an early age? None of these things were unique to him in our family`s history. He was raised like everybody else...an existence of limited means and few luxuries, but with the basic needs of the entire joint family regularly met.
So, again, I don`t know. And nobody else does. One day our medical understanding of schizophrenia will become so complete, and medication so effective that treatment in every case will be successful. But until then the struggle and the bravery of both the schizophrenics and those dealing with them continues.
#39 Posted by freethinker on January 20, 2002 8:42:07 pm
Dear Readers:
To day I picked up one of the books in my collection (The World Treasury of Physics, Astronomy, and Mathematics, edited by Timothy Ferris 1991) for leisure reading and when I opened it up, it unfolded on a chapter captioned “Ramanujan and PI” written by Jonathon M. Borwein and Peter B. Borwein. I had wanted to read a chapter on Dirac but I could not resist the urge to delve into Ramanujan again. Here in the following I share with you some of the material that I gleaned from Borwein and Borwein’s chapter. They wrote:
“Much of what he (Ramanujan) did, however, is still inaccessible to investigators. The body of his work is contained in his ‘Note Books’, which are personal records written in his own nomenclature. To make matters more frustrating for mathematicians who have studied the ‘Note Books’, Ramanujan generally did not include formal proofs for his theorems. The task of deciphering and editing the ‘Note Books’ is only now (1991) nearing completion, by Bruce C.Brendt of the University of Illinois, Urbana – Champaign…The effort is certainly worthwhile. Ramanujan’s legacy in the ‘Note Books’ promises not only to enrich pure mathematics but also to find applications in various fields of mathematical physics…Carlos J. Moreno of the City University of New York and Freeman J. Dyson of the Institute for Advanced Study have pointed out that Ramanujan’s work is beginning to be applied by physicists in superstring theory (for a popular and a non-specialist reading on superstrings, please refer to my paper on Chowk captioned ‘End of Physics’)”.
Before going over to England, Ramanujan had written letters to three British mathematicians for help and guidance in his work and G.H. Hardy was one of them. Borwein and Borwein described that “Hardy, accustomed to receiving crank mail, was inclined to disregard Ramanujan’s letter at first glance the day it arrived, January 16, 1913. But after dinner that night Hardy and a close colleague, John E. Littlewood, sat down to puzzle through a list of 120 formulas and theorems Ramanujan had appended to his letter. Some hours later they had reached a verdict: they were seeing the work of a genius mathematician and not a crackpot. (According to his own ‘pure-talent scale’ of mathematicians, Hardy was later to rate Ramanujan’s a 100, Littlewood a 30 and himself a 25. The German mathematician David Hilbert, the most influential figure of the time, merited only 80.)… He (Hardy) wrote that some of Ramanujan’s formulas defeated him completely, and yet ‘they must be true because if they were not true, no one would have had the imagination to invent them’…Ramanujan’s unique capacity for working intuitively with complicated formulas enabled him to plant seeds in a mathematical garden (to borrow a metaphor from Freeman Dyson) that is only now coming into bloom. Along with many other mathematicians, we look forward to seeing which of the seeds will germinate in future years and further beautify the garden”.
Thank you bearing with me. I believe, I got somewhat carried away and if I went overboard with Ramanujan, I beseech your gracious forgiveness. Regards,
Mohammad Gill
To day I picked up one of the books in my collection (The World Treasury of Physics, Astronomy, and Mathematics, edited by Timothy Ferris 1991) for leisure reading and when I opened it up, it unfolded on a chapter captioned “Ramanujan and PI” written by Jonathon M. Borwein and Peter B. Borwein. I had wanted to read a chapter on Dirac but I could not resist the urge to delve into Ramanujan again. Here in the following I share with you some of the material that I gleaned from Borwein and Borwein’s chapter. They wrote:
“Much of what he (Ramanujan) did, however, is still inaccessible to investigators. The body of his work is contained in his ‘Note Books’, which are personal records written in his own nomenclature. To make matters more frustrating for mathematicians who have studied the ‘Note Books’, Ramanujan generally did not include formal proofs for his theorems. The task of deciphering and editing the ‘Note Books’ is only now (1991) nearing completion, by Bruce C.Brendt of the University of Illinois, Urbana – Champaign…The effort is certainly worthwhile. Ramanujan’s legacy in the ‘Note Books’ promises not only to enrich pure mathematics but also to find applications in various fields of mathematical physics…Carlos J. Moreno of the City University of New York and Freeman J. Dyson of the Institute for Advanced Study have pointed out that Ramanujan’s work is beginning to be applied by physicists in superstring theory (for a popular and a non-specialist reading on superstrings, please refer to my paper on Chowk captioned ‘End of Physics’)”.
Before going over to England, Ramanujan had written letters to three British mathematicians for help and guidance in his work and G.H. Hardy was one of them. Borwein and Borwein described that “Hardy, accustomed to receiving crank mail, was inclined to disregard Ramanujan’s letter at first glance the day it arrived, January 16, 1913. But after dinner that night Hardy and a close colleague, John E. Littlewood, sat down to puzzle through a list of 120 formulas and theorems Ramanujan had appended to his letter. Some hours later they had reached a verdict: they were seeing the work of a genius mathematician and not a crackpot. (According to his own ‘pure-talent scale’ of mathematicians, Hardy was later to rate Ramanujan’s a 100, Littlewood a 30 and himself a 25. The German mathematician David Hilbert, the most influential figure of the time, merited only 80.)… He (Hardy) wrote that some of Ramanujan’s formulas defeated him completely, and yet ‘they must be true because if they were not true, no one would have had the imagination to invent them’…Ramanujan’s unique capacity for working intuitively with complicated formulas enabled him to plant seeds in a mathematical garden (to borrow a metaphor from Freeman Dyson) that is only now coming into bloom. Along with many other mathematicians, we look forward to seeing which of the seeds will germinate in future years and further beautify the garden”.
Thank you bearing with me. I believe, I got somewhat carried away and if I went overboard with Ramanujan, I beseech your gracious forgiveness. Regards,
Mohammad Gill
#38 Posted by anarayan on January 20, 2002 8:42:07 pm
Re: #35
tahmed321,
Its a good thing you didn`t take up research as a career! Also your posts tell me you have never spoken to a schizophrenic. Never mind that, but you definitely should read up about prozac and its discovery. It will educate you on what the state-of-the-art is at the end of the 20th century.
Basically, the pharma-engineers first determine the rough shape and size of the molecule they are looking for...the one that will attach itself to the right place. Then they try to manufacture a stable molecule that fits this model. Then they try it on rats and finally on unsuspecting or desperate human patients. Doesn`t work?...try the next stable molecule.
This hit and trial, after several hundred failures, will produce a prozac. This is the state-of-the-art today. The brain is a black box. If problem X produces a imbalance of chemical Y, forget X and concentrate on chemicals that will control Y.
regards,
(Too bad drumz is not interested in this board.)
tahmed321,
Its a good thing you didn`t take up research as a career! Also your posts tell me you have never spoken to a schizophrenic. Never mind that, but you definitely should read up about prozac and its discovery. It will educate you on what the state-of-the-art is at the end of the 20th century.
Basically, the pharma-engineers first determine the rough shape and size of the molecule they are looking for...the one that will attach itself to the right place. Then they try to manufacture a stable molecule that fits this model. Then they try it on rats and finally on unsuspecting or desperate human patients. Doesn`t work?...try the next stable molecule.
This hit and trial, after several hundred failures, will produce a prozac. This is the state-of-the-art today. The brain is a black box. If problem X produces a imbalance of chemical Y, forget X and concentrate on chemicals that will control Y.
regards,
(Too bad drumz is not interested in this board.)
#37 Posted by tahmed321 on January 20, 2002 6:05:21 pm
anarayan #28 Agreed that drugs suppress the symptoms only. HOWEVER, for the individual concerned, that is enough: suppression of the symptoms means the difference between an person living a normal, productive, happy life and of a person living in an asylum in a world of his own. And suppression need not be for brief periods of time, but ``permanent`` as long as the individual takes his medicine regularly. Freud, by emphasizing the role of childhood experiences rather than of brain chemistry, and thus put medical research on a dead end path for decades. It was only in the 1950`s that the effectiveness of medicine (as opposed to therapy sessions where people on couches ``talked out`` their problems) was accidentally discovered, and since then the entire field is now back on track. But countless millions in have needlessly suffered in the first half of the 20th century due to Freud`s red herrings.
As for the causes, advancements in genetics will no doubt improve understanding and/or find more effective ways to combat mental illeness: it seems that alzheimar`s disease at least has some good ``fixes`` coming along (like replacement of the damaged brain tissue with fresh tissue grown from stem cells). Having seen the way alzheimar`s reduces a person into a mindless body, I think the sooner they find a cure the better.
Prem #30: I too (like anarayan) would be interested in learning more about your relative`s experience with the disease.
As for the causes, advancements in genetics will no doubt improve understanding and/or find more effective ways to combat mental illeness: it seems that alzheimar`s disease at least has some good ``fixes`` coming along (like replacement of the damaged brain tissue with fresh tissue grown from stem cells). Having seen the way alzheimar`s reduces a person into a mindless body, I think the sooner they find a cure the better.
Prem #30: I too (like anarayan) would be interested in learning more about your relative`s experience with the disease.
#36 Posted by hamzadafaqui on January 20, 2002 6:05:21 pm
May I request all these very well-meaning inter-actors here to cease from discussing this subject.Please wait for another appropriate board or originate an article on it.
Mr.Gill might perhaps be most knowledgeable about this subject because of a very personal involvement.
His article tells us about a genius but it also has another context vis-a-vis a commonality shared by someone very near & dear to him.
It is at such moments in life when one is well advised to stay away from intellectualism,objectivity,and cold-calculations.A human begins when ``logical`` is rendered ``illodgical``.(just coined the phrase--feel free to use it)
Mr.Gill might perhaps be most knowledgeable about this subject because of a very personal involvement.
His article tells us about a genius but it also has another context vis-a-vis a commonality shared by someone very near & dear to him.
It is at such moments in life when one is well advised to stay away from intellectualism,objectivity,and cold-calculations.A human begins when ``logical`` is rendered ``illodgical``.(just coined the phrase--feel free to use it)
#35 Posted by harimau on January 20, 2002 6:05:21 pm
Ref Studebaker #: 34
[Diabetes is disease one of the PLDEST yet it is just defeciency of insulin & ``CURE`` so called ie replacing Insulin......]
I assume you are talking about Type I diabetes here. Type II diabetes is when the body doesn`t use the insulin it produces and you take medications that help re-sensitize your body to insulin. If you take insulin for Type II diabetes, it is in the hope that at least some of part of the massive doses you inject into the body will be useful in metabolizing glucose.
[Medicine like any subject is very complex now .]
So stay back in janitorial services in the nursing home you work in.
[there is no splitting of hair in medicine like LAW b/c our goal is not defenitiion but specfic as possible Diagnosis & improve quality of LIFE]
Yes, there is splitting of hair in medicine. Type I diabetes is not the same as Type II diabetes.
[Diabetes is disease one of the PLDEST yet it is just defeciency of insulin & ``CURE`` so called ie replacing Insulin......]
I assume you are talking about Type I diabetes here. Type II diabetes is when the body doesn`t use the insulin it produces and you take medications that help re-sensitize your body to insulin. If you take insulin for Type II diabetes, it is in the hope that at least some of part of the massive doses you inject into the body will be useful in metabolizing glucose.
[Medicine like any subject is very complex now .]
So stay back in janitorial services in the nursing home you work in.
[there is no splitting of hair in medicine like LAW b/c our goal is not defenitiion but specfic as possible Diagnosis & improve quality of LIFE]
Yes, there is splitting of hair in medicine. Type I diabetes is not the same as Type II diabetes.
#34 Posted by Studebaker on January 20, 2002 1:58:56 am
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#33 Posted by rsaxena on January 20, 2002 1:58:56 am
what is the right term to describe the mental condition Studebaker suffers from? it`s some kind of multiple personality disorder, but there aren`t really multiple personalities...each of the 12 heads has the same imbecile character and low level mental retardation...
#32 Posted by anarayan on January 20, 2002 1:31:25 am
Prem,
``Studebaker is right. anarayan, you may want to study this subject more before you make statements on it.``
You need to be more specific. What specific part of my posts don`t you agree with? Well, at least you agree that schizophrenia is a disorder...and not a disease.
Did you REALLY speak to your relative? Try to understand him/her? Can you tell us what that person told you about his/her experiences? Specifically, how did it start? That would be interesting.
regards,
``Studebaker is right. anarayan, you may want to study this subject more before you make statements on it.``
You need to be more specific. What specific part of my posts don`t you agree with? Well, at least you agree that schizophrenia is a disorder...and not a disease.
Did you REALLY speak to your relative? Try to understand him/her? Can you tell us what that person told you about his/her experiences? Specifically, how did it start? That would be interesting.
regards,
#31 Posted by anarayan on January 20, 2002 1:31:25 am
Re: #29
jay,
Right you are!
A psychiatrist friend of mine told me this standard joke in their community:
``The schizo lives in 2 worlds, up in the sky and down on the earth...and the psychiatrist charges rent on both``.
regards,
jay,
Right you are!
A psychiatrist friend of mine told me this standard joke in their community:
``The schizo lives in 2 worlds, up in the sky and down on the earth...and the psychiatrist charges rent on both``.
regards,
#30 Posted by Prem on January 20, 2002 12:14:52 am
ref: studebaker, anarayan, tahmed321, and others on schizophrenia
Studebaker is right. anarayan, you may want to study this subject more before you make statements on it.
A very close relative of mine is schizophrenic. Consequently, I can provide anyone interested with a month`s worth of readings on the subject...but that is not necessary.
Schizophrenia is a medical disorder, pure and simple...a disorder (you may call that a disease)...that is more horrible than words can describe...and that tests every ounce of the inner strength of both the victim and victim`s family.
In this entire world I admire no one more than some people I know who have dealt with schizophrenia in a dignified and courageous manner. How they did it -- I don`t know....must be pure miracle.
Those of us who have watched the various colors of life from so up-close, the blessing of living takes on a different meaning...
People, please try to educate yourself, in whatever little way you can, about mental disorders... you will be doing only yourself a great favor.
Regards.
Studebaker is right. anarayan, you may want to study this subject more before you make statements on it.
A very close relative of mine is schizophrenic. Consequently, I can provide anyone interested with a month`s worth of readings on the subject...but that is not necessary.
Schizophrenia is a medical disorder, pure and simple...a disorder (you may call that a disease)...that is more horrible than words can describe...and that tests every ounce of the inner strength of both the victim and victim`s family.
In this entire world I admire no one more than some people I know who have dealt with schizophrenia in a dignified and courageous manner. How they did it -- I don`t know....must be pure miracle.
Those of us who have watched the various colors of life from so up-close, the blessing of living takes on a different meaning...
People, please try to educate yourself, in whatever little way you can, about mental disorders... you will be doing only yourself a great favor.
Regards.
#29 Posted by jay on January 20, 2002 12:14:52 am
anarayan,
MAD CASES
I agree with you. Schizo, attention defcit dis orders etc are the outcome of a repressive social system as in the west. In this society thaose who are not economically productive have to be locked out of the mainstream. Children are locked up in schools, sick in hospitals, those who cannot take part due to behavioural reasons are locked up in nut houses, or drugged and left in the bed.
Scizo is a pattern of behaviour that is different from the normative which a psychiatrist identifies as a mental dicease. There is no objectively verifiable identifiers of any mental dicease. This class of alleged `dicease` are an outcome of the interaction of an alleged expert, called psychiatrist and a disadvantaged, usually not rich , individual. Howard Hueghes comes to mind, if he were not rich, may be the tahmeds, and shankars of the world would have drugged to make a living for themselves.
MAD CASES
I agree with you. Schizo, attention defcit dis orders etc are the outcome of a repressive social system as in the west. In this society thaose who are not economically productive have to be locked out of the mainstream. Children are locked up in schools, sick in hospitals, those who cannot take part due to behavioural reasons are locked up in nut houses, or drugged and left in the bed.
Scizo is a pattern of behaviour that is different from the normative which a psychiatrist identifies as a mental dicease. There is no objectively verifiable identifiers of any mental dicease. This class of alleged `dicease` are an outcome of the interaction of an alleged expert, called psychiatrist and a disadvantaged, usually not rich , individual. Howard Hueghes comes to mind, if he were not rich, may be the tahmeds, and shankars of the world would have drugged to make a living for themselves.
#28 Posted by anarayan on January 20, 2002 12:14:52 am
Re: #27
tahmed321,
``Actually it is a disease, and often more readily curable with medicines now available than people realize. The basic problem is that ``neurotransmitters`` (chemicals that tranmit information from one nerve cell to another) malfunction, thus distoring messages (thereby causing psychotic behavior, like thinking people on TV are talking to them and so forth). This problem is addressed by medicines that cause these chemical imbalances to be compensated, thereby bringing the individual back to ``sanity``. This is a simplified explanation from a non-expert in the business.``
Welcome to the world of non-experts!
Tahmed, what you wrote above is called ``treating the symptom, not the disease.``
Research has shown that schizophrenics have excess amounts of certain chemicals including dopamine and seratonin. My limited knowledge is that most drugs for schizophrenia are dopamine or seratonin blockers and suppressors.
Will this cure the `disease`? Which came first...schizophrenia or excess dopamine?
I think you misinderstood my earlier post. I`m not saying drugs don`t help. I merely said that all drugs can do is fight the symptom...because there is no virus or germ to kill in this case. The basic cause is psychological.
Does fighting the symptom help? Yes, sometimes it does.
By artifically restoring the balance (even for a short time)...the victim is brought back to reality for a while. This is of emormous help and this is the standard technique used also for depression.
regards,
tahmed321,
``Actually it is a disease, and often more readily curable with medicines now available than people realize. The basic problem is that ``neurotransmitters`` (chemicals that tranmit information from one nerve cell to another) malfunction, thus distoring messages (thereby causing psychotic behavior, like thinking people on TV are talking to them and so forth). This problem is addressed by medicines that cause these chemical imbalances to be compensated, thereby bringing the individual back to ``sanity``. This is a simplified explanation from a non-expert in the business.``
Welcome to the world of non-experts!
Tahmed, what you wrote above is called ``treating the symptom, not the disease.``
Research has shown that schizophrenics have excess amounts of certain chemicals including dopamine and seratonin. My limited knowledge is that most drugs for schizophrenia are dopamine or seratonin blockers and suppressors.
Will this cure the `disease`? Which came first...schizophrenia or excess dopamine?
I think you misinderstood my earlier post. I`m not saying drugs don`t help. I merely said that all drugs can do is fight the symptom...because there is no virus or germ to kill in this case. The basic cause is psychological.
Does fighting the symptom help? Yes, sometimes it does.
By artifically restoring the balance (even for a short time)...the victim is brought back to reality for a while. This is of emormous help and this is the standard technique used also for depression.
regards,
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- chaltahai: Damn kaal...not much difference... The Correct Turn
