Ha Ha To the Axis of Evil Speech
Malik S Khar February 17, 2002
#113 Posted by hariharan on February 25, 2002 8:29:27 pm
#110 Raw Ulcers:
Good Point.
LA times has a story yesterday : the last days of Bamiyan Buddhas. The article states that Taliban couldn`t bring down the structure;so they had to employ ``foreign-pakistani explosive experts`` to do the job.
I thought Mush and company were drum-beating then they were trying harder with Taliban not to destroy the buddhas.
I don`t think a Pakistani explosive expert would have been employed w/o some sort of help from nut-wig corps commander in peshawar.
BTW, the article also points out about Siphah-sahaba as Taliban allies. Aren`t they the ones who killed so many shiates in Karachi and they were also involved in hazara killings.
Read the story. The link.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-000014271feb24.story
Good Point.
LA times has a story yesterday : the last days of Bamiyan Buddhas. The article states that Taliban couldn`t bring down the structure;so they had to employ ``foreign-pakistani explosive experts`` to do the job.
I thought Mush and company were drum-beating then they were trying harder with Taliban not to destroy the buddhas.
I don`t think a Pakistani explosive expert would have been employed w/o some sort of help from nut-wig corps commander in peshawar.
BTW, the article also points out about Siphah-sahaba as Taliban allies. Aren`t they the ones who killed so many shiates in Karachi and they were also involved in hazara killings.
Read the story. The link.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-000014271feb24.story
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#112 Posted by audio-video-rad on February 24, 2002 1:35:17 am
dost-mittar #423: I have seen Peter Russel (I think). He is a funny guy. His famous line, I believe, is, ``Someone is a gonna get hurt tonight,`` when he imitates his father.
Canada is known for funny guys and good looking girls. A lot of Playboy models are Canadians (not that I have seen them; just heard about them from people like dost-mittar).
In a sense, Canadians are like Pakistanis, w.r.t. to India. One difference being that Pakistanis do not try to differentiate themselves from Indians. They feel Indians are differentiating themselves from Pakistan. And Pakistanis are a lot less intimated by India, then Canadians are of America.
After all, Canadians did not rule over USA for 800 years, like, ``we`` ruled over, ``you`` guys. :-)
Canada is known for funny guys and good looking girls. A lot of Playboy models are Canadians (not that I have seen them; just heard about them from people like dost-mittar).
In a sense, Canadians are like Pakistanis, w.r.t. to India. One difference being that Pakistanis do not try to differentiate themselves from Indians. They feel Indians are differentiating themselves from Pakistan. And Pakistanis are a lot less intimated by India, then Canadians are of America.
After all, Canadians did not rule over USA for 800 years, like, ``we`` ruled over, ``you`` guys. :-)
#111 Posted by audio-video-rad on February 23, 2002 1:20:12 pm
subroto #411 This talking hound dog reminds me vaguely of someone...I cannot put a finger on it, but it reminds me of someone...maybe I know and am afraid to say it...
;-)
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#110 Posted by Raw-ulcers on February 23, 2002 1:20:12 pm
While Pakistan is considering honoring Pearl with Nishane-Pakistan, Indians are seriously considering handing over whole of Kashmir after Pearl`s supreme sacrifice for the sake of world peace.
#109 Posted by Raw-ulcers on February 23, 2002 1:20:12 pm
Hariharan #105 Sadna # 97
Beheading is not a fingerprint of Al-Q or Abu Sayaf of Phillipines. It is the hand of cruel Islam and Pakistan in particular. Beheadings in Afghanistan for over five years by T`ban was done right under the nose of Pakistanis.
Beheading is not a fingerprint of Al-Q or Abu Sayaf of Phillipines. It is the hand of cruel Islam and Pakistan in particular. Beheadings in Afghanistan for over five years by T`ban was done right under the nose of Pakistanis.
#108 Posted by sadna on February 23, 2002 1:21:44 am
hariharan#105
``How about the ordinary pakistanis who have to bear the kidnappings, murder, robbery on a daily basis.
Who is going to answer the doctors, other professionals who were brutually murdered besides numerous shia community people murdered by Sipah types.``
Good questions.
soysauce#104
``one hopes it`s only a result of benign confusion and not something worse``
Is it wealth, a safe and cocooned life and hired armed guards?
----
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A54824-2002Feb22.html
``...Saeed, the man who has admitted a role in the kidnapping, fought as a militant in Indian Kashmir, police sources said. Pakistani authorities originally said Saeed was arrested on Feb. 12. But at his court appearance, he disclosed that he had turned himself in a week earlier, on Feb. 5. Sources said that Saeed surrendered to Ejaz Shah, the home secretary in Punjab province who, until about 18 months ago, was the ISI chief in Punjab, but that the terrorist was held under wraps by people described only as ``non-police officials.``
Two key suspects currently being sought also served with ISI-backed militant groups in Indian Kashmir, sources said: a man Pearl knew as Imtiaz Siddiqi and whose real name police believe is Mansur Hussain, and Amjad Farooqi. Police recently went to Farooqi`s home to interview him, sources said, and were told by the family that he had been infiltrated into Kashmir just days before. Three
men jailed in connection with Pearl`s abduction also fought as Islamic militants in Kashmir, sources said...``
``How about the ordinary pakistanis who have to bear the kidnappings, murder, robbery on a daily basis.
Who is going to answer the doctors, other professionals who were brutually murdered besides numerous shia community people murdered by Sipah types.``
Good questions.
soysauce#104
``one hopes it`s only a result of benign confusion and not something worse``
Is it wealth, a safe and cocooned life and hired armed guards?
----
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A54824-2002Feb22.html
``...Saeed, the man who has admitted a role in the kidnapping, fought as a militant in Indian Kashmir, police sources said. Pakistani authorities originally said Saeed was arrested on Feb. 12. But at his court appearance, he disclosed that he had turned himself in a week earlier, on Feb. 5. Sources said that Saeed surrendered to Ejaz Shah, the home secretary in Punjab province who, until about 18 months ago, was the ISI chief in Punjab, but that the terrorist was held under wraps by people described only as ``non-police officials.``
Two key suspects currently being sought also served with ISI-backed militant groups in Indian Kashmir, sources said: a man Pearl knew as Imtiaz Siddiqi and whose real name police believe is Mansur Hussain, and Amjad Farooqi. Police recently went to Farooqi`s home to interview him, sources said, and were told by the family that he had been infiltrated into Kashmir just days before. Three
men jailed in connection with Pearl`s abduction also fought as Islamic militants in Kashmir, sources said...``
#107 Posted by rsridhar on February 23, 2002 12:36:44 am
re:Reply #: 67
ali1,
``the largest gas reserves are in the bellies of 1 billion Indians, once they have eaten their aaloo gobhi for breakfast, chanay ki daal for lunch and gobhi aaloo for dinner``.
That was a good one. By the way, which one produces more gas? Is it aloo or chana? I personally think it is aloo. Have any bright ideas about how this gas can be tapped for human welfare?
Sridhar
ali1,
``the largest gas reserves are in the bellies of 1 billion Indians, once they have eaten their aaloo gobhi for breakfast, chanay ki daal for lunch and gobhi aaloo for dinner``.
That was a good one. By the way, which one produces more gas? Is it aloo or chana? I personally think it is aloo. Have any bright ideas about how this gas can be tapped for human welfare?
Sridhar
#106 Posted by sigalph235 on February 23, 2002 12:36:44 am
re syed ahmed
``by your classification the Mukthi Bahini should have been classified as a TERRORIST organization since it trageted thousands of non-Bengali combatants particularly after in the post surrender period``
No country (save Pakistan) ever classified the Mukti Bahini, the successor Bangladesh Army, or the Government of Bangladesh as terrorit organizations. The militant groups in Kashmir and Israel have been classified as terrorists by every civilized country in the world. I know some of you itch to paint the Mukti Bahini in the same colors as the Hamas, PLO, and Harkatul-whatever it is; wrong premise, wrong analogy, wrong conclusions. Just as the State Department. Such comparisons are desparate attempts at deflecting criticism from those who blow buildings, attack parliaments, kill children, and hijack aircraft, all in the name of the `people` and God. Heck, the Mukti Bahini was actually the defense arm of a democratically elected government of a sovereign Republic.
``by your classification the Mukthi Bahini should have been classified as a TERRORIST organization since it trageted thousands of non-Bengali combatants particularly after in the post surrender period``
No country (save Pakistan) ever classified the Mukti Bahini, the successor Bangladesh Army, or the Government of Bangladesh as terrorit organizations. The militant groups in Kashmir and Israel have been classified as terrorists by every civilized country in the world. I know some of you itch to paint the Mukti Bahini in the same colors as the Hamas, PLO, and Harkatul-whatever it is; wrong premise, wrong analogy, wrong conclusions. Just as the State Department. Such comparisons are desparate attempts at deflecting criticism from those who blow buildings, attack parliaments, kill children, and hijack aircraft, all in the name of the `people` and God. Heck, the Mukti Bahini was actually the defense arm of a democratically elected government of a sovereign Republic.
#105 Posted by Trillium on February 23, 2002 12:36:44 am
Sadna
``Danny Pearls death and the innocence of the Paki government is going to be spun like mad by the US and Pakistan just like the death of civilian Afghans and Pakistanis` broadbased support to the Taliban, a side issue glossed over for greater objectives. Its only Indians are going to be bursting blood vessels.``
Right. How the hell can you ``spin`` an on camera beheading? Seems to have its own `axis` and spins itself. Axis... Hmmm.
Be a good little feudal and get off your dead a$$ and DO something - action - rather than the usual paranoid blather and short-sighted political theories.
``Danny Pearls death and the innocence of the Paki government is going to be spun like mad by the US and Pakistan just like the death of civilian Afghans and Pakistanis` broadbased support to the Taliban, a side issue glossed over for greater objectives. Its only Indians are going to be bursting blood vessels.``
Right. How the hell can you ``spin`` an on camera beheading? Seems to have its own `axis` and spins itself. Axis... Hmmm.
Be a good little feudal and get off your dead a$$ and DO something - action - rather than the usual paranoid blather and short-sighted political theories.
#104 Posted by hariharan on February 23, 2002 12:36:44 am
Sadna #97
It could also be Al-Queida format. Remember, in Phillipines, the Abu-Sayaf group uses beheading as its forte.
I read an article in which a member of the group escaped and explained that there trainers included afghans and syrians.
God knows what the afghans and syrians doing in Phillipines!!
But you are right. The evidence as reported in media points to JeM but JeM also shared office space, overhead with one of the trusts which was involved in ``charity`` work in Afghanisthan. I think many senior military officials were office bearers of the trust which was later put on the US black list.
I saw another piece of reporting where in kabul the NA/US troops found stationary of the trust and most the money flowed thru various banks in Peshawar, Pakistan. They had posted pictures of the bank ``chalan`` or whatever and you could see the bank logo/address, etc.
1) My only worry is what would happen to this Omar dude. Will be neutralized in an ``encounter``?
what does it mean when Musharraf wants ``swift`` justice. Is he sending a signal?
2) For all that we know, this omar may be a small fish in the overall scheme of things, he could be made a scapegoat, neutralized and blamed for all and sundry. In fact, this is what is happening.
They are blaming everything on Omar in the form of confession. This poor omar may not know what is to come soon.
There is a big evil axis between ISI, Al-Queida and oil/drug money. Sometimes you feel kind of sorry for these fundoos; they were the creation of ISI. Why blame the fundoos when whiskey sipping generals are spared?
BTW, Musharraf is promising that everyone involved with Pearl`s murder will be dealt. How about the ordinary pakistanis who have to bear the kidnappings, murder, robbery on a daily basis.
Who is going to answer the doctors, other professionals who were brutually murdered besides numerous shia community people murdered by Sipah types.
A lot of questions. Wonder if Mush will take lie-dedecter test.
It could also be Al-Queida format. Remember, in Phillipines, the Abu-Sayaf group uses beheading as its forte.
I read an article in which a member of the group escaped and explained that there trainers included afghans and syrians.
God knows what the afghans and syrians doing in Phillipines!!
But you are right. The evidence as reported in media points to JeM but JeM also shared office space, overhead with one of the trusts which was involved in ``charity`` work in Afghanisthan. I think many senior military officials were office bearers of the trust which was later put on the US black list.
I saw another piece of reporting where in kabul the NA/US troops found stationary of the trust and most the money flowed thru various banks in Peshawar, Pakistan. They had posted pictures of the bank ``chalan`` or whatever and you could see the bank logo/address, etc.
1) My only worry is what would happen to this Omar dude. Will be neutralized in an ``encounter``?
what does it mean when Musharraf wants ``swift`` justice. Is he sending a signal?
2) For all that we know, this omar may be a small fish in the overall scheme of things, he could be made a scapegoat, neutralized and blamed for all and sundry. In fact, this is what is happening.
They are blaming everything on Omar in the form of confession. This poor omar may not know what is to come soon.
There is a big evil axis between ISI, Al-Queida and oil/drug money. Sometimes you feel kind of sorry for these fundoos; they were the creation of ISI. Why blame the fundoos when whiskey sipping generals are spared?
BTW, Musharraf is promising that everyone involved with Pearl`s murder will be dealt. How about the ordinary pakistanis who have to bear the kidnappings, murder, robbery on a daily basis.
Who is going to answer the doctors, other professionals who were brutually murdered besides numerous shia community people murdered by Sipah types.
A lot of questions. Wonder if Mush will take lie-dedecter test.
#103 Posted by soysauce on February 23, 2002 12:36:44 am
#102 Sadhana
I did not know about the beheading of the muslim girl. I suppose, in a perverse way, the jihadis are equal opportunity throat-slitters but they did apparently make Pearl ``confess`` that he was a jew.
Powell is already putting a spin on things. I really don`t care that much what the US decides to do here, i only want indians to realize that Mushy is either a clumsly liar or a diabolical character and i tend to believe the latter. Not good in either case. We have to be very wary of a neighbor who harbors neighborhood thugs and should absolutely refuse to negotiate until they show some neighborliness.
Ayaz Amir disappoints me. He seems to be confusing valor and courage for thuggery. It is this sort of confusion (one hopes it`s only a result of benign confusion and not something worse) that has made ordinary pakis digging into their pockets to finance all sorts of jihadi outfits. Again, as long as this attitude continues, there can be no peace.
I did not know about the beheading of the muslim girl. I suppose, in a perverse way, the jihadis are equal opportunity throat-slitters but they did apparently make Pearl ``confess`` that he was a jew.
Powell is already putting a spin on things. I really don`t care that much what the US decides to do here, i only want indians to realize that Mushy is either a clumsly liar or a diabolical character and i tend to believe the latter. Not good in either case. We have to be very wary of a neighbor who harbors neighborhood thugs and should absolutely refuse to negotiate until they show some neighborliness.
Ayaz Amir disappoints me. He seems to be confusing valor and courage for thuggery. It is this sort of confusion (one hopes it`s only a result of benign confusion and not something worse) that has made ordinary pakis digging into their pockets to finance all sorts of jihadi outfits. Again, as long as this attitude continues, there can be no peace.
#102 Posted by Syed Ahmed on February 22, 2002 3:24:54 pm
Re: sigalph235
re ralph quoting ashraf khan re `pakistani mind`
``But people in Kashmir and Palestine are not terrorists, they are freedom-fighters and they must be treated and revered as such. ``
[Anybody who deliberately targets non-combatants and civillians is a terrorist. The only treatment and reverence that individual ought to receive is that of a wretched common criminal dragged before the courts of civilized justice. It is the depth of depravity to ask a woman, who has just lost her husband to cold blooded murderers, to campaign on behalf of the PLO. Give me a break! Thankfully, the vast majority of Pakistanis are human beings, in contrast to this Ashraf Khan(letter writer) guy.]...
History is ironic - Is it not ,... by your classification the Mukthi Bahini should have been classified as a TERRORIST organization since it trageted thousands of non-Bengali combatants particularly after in the post surrender period... Some of thos people later became Generals in the Bangladeshi army and successful politicians.... Certainly one can argue ...terror was used as a weapon by the Bangladeshis is acheiving freedom.... ( this i s no way excuses the brutality of th ePakistany Army) ... but nonethless .... Bangladesh reveres the very terrorist as freedom fighters...
re ralph quoting ashraf khan re `pakistani mind`
``But people in Kashmir and Palestine are not terrorists, they are freedom-fighters and they must be treated and revered as such. ``
[Anybody who deliberately targets non-combatants and civillians is a terrorist. The only treatment and reverence that individual ought to receive is that of a wretched common criminal dragged before the courts of civilized justice. It is the depth of depravity to ask a woman, who has just lost her husband to cold blooded murderers, to campaign on behalf of the PLO. Give me a break! Thankfully, the vast majority of Pakistanis are human beings, in contrast to this Ashraf Khan(letter writer) guy.]...
History is ironic - Is it not ,... by your classification the Mukthi Bahini should have been classified as a TERRORIST organization since it trageted thousands of non-Bengali combatants particularly after in the post surrender period... Some of thos people later became Generals in the Bangladeshi army and successful politicians.... Certainly one can argue ...terror was used as a weapon by the Bangladeshis is acheiving freedom.... ( this i s no way excuses the brutality of th ePakistany Army) ... but nonethless .... Bangladesh reveres the very terrorist as freedom fighters...
#101 Posted by sadna on February 22, 2002 2:59:59 pm
soysauce #100
I think Rupin Katyal was murdered in front of some passengers, but thank God not his wife. She didnot know until after the passengers were released that he had been murdered. btw, last week a Kashmiri MUSLIM girl was beheaded by mujahiddeen, the second such in the last month, did you know?
The US is only interested in covering up for Musharraf, not in connecting dots about HuM and dead nonAmericans. I will bet not a single US newspaper will even raise the question of what was Omar Shiekh doing unannounced in Paki custody from Feb 5th to Feb 13th without the world being told about it. I will bet the world media will willingly print the accusations which will be made by Musharraf and his ministers that actually India was behind it all to defame Pakistan, and this vast majority of humane Pakistanis will happily parrot the lies right back.
Here is one humane Pakistani for you, he is saying exactly what Omar Sheikh has been saying:
http://www.dawn.com/weekly/ayaz/ayaz.htm
``Our main problem has never been Kashmir, Afghanistan, too much religion or even a lack of money. It has been a want of spirit and national dignity``
``Even as we adjust to the new circumstances let us honour and not revile those who were true to their beliefs and put their lives at stake for the freedom of Kashmir. They did not invent violence there. They reacted to Indian oppression. What would we have had them do? It is easy saying Kashmir runs in our blood, as most of us are wont to do. It is harder laying our lives on the line.``
Danny Pearls death and the innocence of the Paki government is going to be spun like mad by the US and Pakistan just like the death of civilian Afghans and Pakistanis` broadbased support to the Taliban, a side issue glossed over for greater objectives. Its only Indians are going to be bursting blood vessels.
I think Rupin Katyal was murdered in front of some passengers, but thank God not his wife. She didnot know until after the passengers were released that he had been murdered. btw, last week a Kashmiri MUSLIM girl was beheaded by mujahiddeen, the second such in the last month, did you know?
The US is only interested in covering up for Musharraf, not in connecting dots about HuM and dead nonAmericans. I will bet not a single US newspaper will even raise the question of what was Omar Shiekh doing unannounced in Paki custody from Feb 5th to Feb 13th without the world being told about it. I will bet the world media will willingly print the accusations which will be made by Musharraf and his ministers that actually India was behind it all to defame Pakistan, and this vast majority of humane Pakistanis will happily parrot the lies right back.
Here is one humane Pakistani for you, he is saying exactly what Omar Sheikh has been saying:
http://www.dawn.com/weekly/ayaz/ayaz.htm
``Our main problem has never been Kashmir, Afghanistan, too much religion or even a lack of money. It has been a want of spirit and national dignity``
``Even as we adjust to the new circumstances let us honour and not revile those who were true to their beliefs and put their lives at stake for the freedom of Kashmir. They did not invent violence there. They reacted to Indian oppression. What would we have had them do? It is easy saying Kashmir runs in our blood, as most of us are wont to do. It is harder laying our lives on the line.``
Danny Pearls death and the innocence of the Paki government is going to be spun like mad by the US and Pakistan just like the death of civilian Afghans and Pakistanis` broadbased support to the Taliban, a side issue glossed over for greater objectives. Its only Indians are going to be bursting blood vessels.
#100 Posted by Darashikoh on February 22, 2002 2:24:09 pm
ALL#
All who are interested following
is the link to the Israeli reservists
website who refused to fight beyond the 1967
borders
www.seruv.org
All who are interested following
is the link to the Israeli reservists
website who refused to fight beyond the 1967
borders
www.seruv.org
#99 Posted by soysauce on February 22, 2002 2:24:09 pm
#95 Sadhana
Daniel Pearl, the jew & Rubin Katyal, the hindu were killed like sacrifical goats, with their throats slashed. Katyal was murdered in front of his newly-wed wife and the other passengers of the plane and the Jew`s killing was recorded for everyone to see. The kafir hindu`s murder was nothing and the murderers were (probably trained &) sheltered. The jew`s murder at least will, hopefully, make everyone (but Powell) realize what a backstabbing, double-dealing monster the product of TNT has become...
Daniel Pearl, the jew & Rubin Katyal, the hindu were killed like sacrifical goats, with their throats slashed. Katyal was murdered in front of his newly-wed wife and the other passengers of the plane and the Jew`s killing was recorded for everyone to see. The kafir hindu`s murder was nothing and the murderers were (probably trained &) sheltered. The jew`s murder at least will, hopefully, make everyone (but Powell) realize what a backstabbing, double-dealing monster the product of TNT has become...
#98 Posted by sigalph235 on February 22, 2002 2:24:09 pm
re rsaxena and arjun
Our pal YLH may actually be on to something. Remember when we all ha ha`d his prediction about joint electorates? Heck, if Pervez Musharraf can have an absolute (or ABSOLUT!) secular polity while calling it `Islamic`, who cares? Let the Pakistani mullahs save face (and nothing else). Remember, even today, Turkey`s constitution states Islam as its state religion(at Ataturk`s insistence). You gotta give the s.o.bs something so keep `em quiet. If that something is denying the word `secular`, oh well. One step at a time my friends.
Our pal YLH may actually be on to something. Remember when we all ha ha`d his prediction about joint electorates? Heck, if Pervez Musharraf can have an absolute (or ABSOLUT!) secular polity while calling it `Islamic`, who cares? Let the Pakistani mullahs save face (and nothing else). Remember, even today, Turkey`s constitution states Islam as its state religion(at Ataturk`s insistence). You gotta give the s.o.bs something so keep `em quiet. If that something is denying the word `secular`, oh well. One step at a time my friends.
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