Ha Ha To the Axis of Evil Speech

Axis of Evil is really
Al Qaeda, ISI/Taliban, and the Pakistani state.
Togehter they are known as ``Allah KidaaN ?``

Har Balaa sar pe aa jaaye lekin
Allah waaloN se Allah bachaaye

Pearl`s murder technique proves Jaish link

http://www.timesofindia.com/articleshow.asp?art_id=1760610 SIDDHARTH SRIVASTAVA



NEW DELHI: The brutal way in which WSJ journalist Daniel Pearl was murdered is a clear indication of the involvement of the terrorist group Jaish-e-Mohammed, which is headed by Masood Azhar and Omar Sheikh, say senior security officials with the Intelligence Bureau.

Pearl`s throat was slit from behind by his abductors and, going by media reports, he was subsequently beheaded.

This is similar to the manner which 27-year-old Norwegian Hans Ostro was beheaded by Al Faran terrorists in July 1995 and the way Rupen Katyal, one of the passengers in the hijacked Indian Airlines aircraft IC 814 was killed in December 1999.

That the Al Faran was a front of the Jaish-which, at that time, was called the Harkat-ul-Ansar-was confirmed when the kidnappers demanded the release of Azhar, who was incarcerated in an Indian jail at that time.

The Al Faran had kidnapped Ostro in Pahalgam, Jammu & Kashmir, along with five other foreigners.

The Narasimha Rao government in 1995 did not give in to the demands of the hijackers. Ostro`s body was subsequently found beheaded with `Al Faran` engraved on his body.

The hijackers of IC 814 too demanded the release of Azhar, and this time, the Atal Behari Vajpayee government gave in due to the pressure exerted by the families of the hostages. During the course of the hijack, Katyal`s throat too was slit from behind and he bled to death.

According to officials, the similarity in the killing of Pearl, Ostro and Katyal indicates that the terrorists have been trained in a similar manner and, therefore, belong to the same outfit.

``One of the six foreigners kidnapped by the Al Faran in 1995, an American John Childs who managed to escape from captivity said that the terrorists used psychological torture against them. One of the means was slitting the throat of a sheep in front of the hostages,`` says an official.

Similaties have already been drawn between an earlier kidnapping of four foreign citizens in India and Pearl`s abduction. Sheikh is the prime suspect in the abduction.

The pictures of Pearl that were earlier released to the media had shown him handcuffed with newspaper cuttings in the background.

This was similar to the pictures of hostages that were released by Sheikh in India. Sheikh too had demanded the release of Azhar. The four hostages, however were lucky to be rescued after a shoot-out with the security forces.

Happy Jihad to all you terrorists....you guys got the $300 million ransom and killed the guy too.
Classic proverbial Pakistani double speak followed by proverbial Pakistani double cross, double agent, double double.... everything double ONLY one truth Allah O Akbar !!

Now all Kafirs, Journalists and members of the free world can ONLY say

Har balaa sar pe aa jaaye lekin
Allah waaloN se AllaH Bachaayee.....

sigalph235 #93
Daniel Pearl is dead because of the shameless lies of Musharraf and the Pakistani government to cover the tracks of hijackers, kidnappers and murderers just to poke a finger in India`s eye.

Daniel Pearl is dead because HuM was allowed to operate from its bases in Pakistan in India Pakistan and Afghanistan without any restraint by the Pakistani authorities for the last 7-8 years and because the US government which has absolutely no principle didnot declare JeM a terrorist organisation until last Dec. INSPITE of its ties with Al Qaeda.

The so-called humanity vast majority of Pakistanis who is playing along with these charades were worth less than nothing to Daniel Pearl, Rupin Katyal, and the beheaded Norweigian touritst. The vast majority of Pakistanis are worth less than nothing to Marianne Pearl or future and past American, Kashmiri, Indian and Pakistani victims.

re: arjun #91

...good one...go easy on this dude...else he`ll bombard this board with 586 long posts about jinnah and pakistani secularism and blah blah blah....keep in mind, it doesn`t if mooshraf says there will be no secular state...what ylh says will happen in pakistn....

re ralph quoting ashraf khan re `pakistani mind`

``But people in Kashmir and Palestine are not terrorists, they are freedom-fighters and they must be treated and revered as such. ``

Anybody who deliberately targets non-combatants and civillians is a terrorist. The only treatment and reverence that individual ought to receive is that of a wretched common criminal dragged before the courts of civilized justice. It is the depth of depravity to ask a woman, who has just lost her husband to cold blooded murderers, to campaign on behalf of the PLO. Give me a break! Thankfully, the vast majority of Pakistanis are human beings, in contrast to this Ashraf Khan(letter writer) guy.

Egyptians didn`t get an inch from ISrael by violence, Kashmiris won`t get an inch from India by the gun and the PLO won`t get a state with its new found missiles. Democracies appear weak but can hardly be bullied into departure by terror.

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soysauce #82 nasah

After the news on NPR of the reservists refusing

to serve beyond the 1967 borders ,

NPR that day re-aired atleast three to five

shows on the holocost.

Did you notice that?

Can anyone comment on whether this guy Brigadier Amanullah is indeed expressing the views of a significant section of Pakistani `decisionmakers`?

http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2002/03/landesman.htm

#82 nasah

Hasanji, the saner elements within israel are starting to speak out. Just the other day, i heard on NPR that the wisdom of staking peace and prosperity for israel on the settlements is beginning to be questioned. Israel is hitting out hard, almost unthinkingly. Let`s see where this goes.

For Sharon Beirut in reverse?

Nerves on Edge, Israelis Rattled By Widening War

Nation Hunkers Down As Army Enters Gaza City

By Lee Hockstader

(Excerpts)



TERMIT OUTPOST, Gaza Strip

After nearly 17 months of fighting, the Israeli troops at Termit are a microcosm of Israel -- jumpy, hunkered down and under intensifying attacks by Palestinians with rifles, mortars, suicide bombs and, lately, rockets. In their foes` growing tactical prowess, improving weaponry and battlefield daring, many Israelis have a sense of reliving their grinding, two-decade war in Lebanon -- only this time much closer to home and with many more casualties.

Early this morning, Israel again escalated its fight with the Palestinians, sending tanks and ground troops into the largest Palestinian population center, Gaza City, 20 miles north of here.

Militants used loudspeakers to call on armed residents to turn out to confront the Israelis, according to reports from the scene.

Israel`s armed forces are dealing out progressively stronger blows, but at the same time the country`s peace movement, muted and outflanked by hard-liners for more than a year, is resurgent. It is pushing for a withdrawal from most of the West Bank and Gaza territories Israel has occupied since 1967.

Its new slogan: ``Get out of the territories. Get back to ourselves.``

A group of several hundred Israeli army reserve generals, colonels and high-ranking veterans of the Mossad and Shin Bet security services is pushing a similar message, arguing for an immediate, unilateral withdrawal from the Gaza Strip and large chunks of the West Bank.

More than 260 Israeli army reservists -- mostly sergeants and junior officers in combat units -- have publicly refused to serve again in the Palestinian territories. The list grows by a half-dozen or so names every day.

Three-quarters of the more than 1,100 people killed since September 2000 have been Palestinian. Many Palestinians say their side can continue to sustain such losses, but among Israelis all factions agree that the Israeli death toll is utterly unacceptable, and recognize that this is a crucial vulnerability.

``The Palestinians have neither the ability nor the weapons to defeat the Israeli army on the battlefield,`` Israel`s best-selling daily newspaper, Yedioth Aharonoth, said today.

``But by means of vicious terror, human bombs, car bombs, roadside bombs, indiscriminate gunfire, rockets and mortar shells that are geared to kill Jews for the sake of killing Jews, they are trying to turn terror and murder into a war of attrition.``



Increasingly, Israelis are comparing their dilemma to what they faced in Lebanon, which Israel quit in 2000 after two decades of occupation that cost it hundreds of lives and still scars the national psyche. In many Israelis` view, Lebanon was their country`s Vietnam, a quagmire that devoured men and resources, sapped the nation`s morale, divided its people and undercut its reputation for toughness in the Middle East.

The parallel with Lebanon is inexact. But Israelis see an essential similarity: the impossibility of military victory. In a recent poll by Tel Aviv University, 70 percent of Israelis said they were certain that fighting with the Palestinians would continue in the coming years, despite their armed forces` almost daily strikes.

``Israelis were always `stuck in the mud of Lebanon` -- that`s the expression people used,`` said Galia Golan, a veteran Israeli peace campaigner. ``And there is this sense again that we`re stuck in the mud in the Palestinian territories . . . that this violence has no end`` unless Israel withdraws.

The growing Israeli despair has been fueled not only by suicide bombings but by the Palestinians` growing prowess as guerrilla fighters. Several recent attacks have shocked Israelis and elicited comparisons with the Shiite Muslim fighters of Hezbollah -- highly disciplined guerrillas who, with arms and other support from Iran and Syria, fought the Israeli army to a stalemate in Lebanon.

On a rain-swept night last month, a pair of Palestinian guerrillas cut through the fence from the Gaza Strip, clambered up the sand-and-mud walls of a lonely Israeli army outpost and killed four soldiers.

Last week, Palestinian gunmen ambushed an Israeli bus in the Gaza Strip, lured one of Israel`s supposedly indestructible flagship battle tanks to the fray, then blew it up with a huge mine, incinerating three soldiers inside.

On Monday, a Palestinian gunman attacked an Israeli convoy in the Gaza Strip, killing an Israeli settler and two soldiers.

``These guys are fanatic and determined,`` said a 30-year-old Israeli sniper at Termit, a veteran of Lebanon and a staff sergeant who asked not to be identified. ``It`s like if you blink, you get it, even if you`re unprepared for a second.``

From Lebanon, Hezbollah has functioned as the Palestinian uprising`s main cheerleader. It has also said it is providing moral and material support for the leading radical Palestinian groups attacking the Israelis, Islamic Jihad and the Islamic Resistance Movement, known as Hamas.

``They are now operating against the Israeli occupation with Hezbollah methods -- deadly bombs, rocket fire, ambushes against soldiers,`` Hezbollah`s leader, Said Hasan Nasrallah, said in a recent speech.

Israeli officials are determined to squash comparisons to Lebanon, insisting that the West Bank, in particular, is far more critical to the Jewish state`s security than Lebanon ever was -- not least because 200,000 Israeli settlers live there -- and therefore will be defended more vigorously.

They also say that the Palestinians lack Hezbollah`s resources, discipline, technical savvy and Iranian weapon supply.

Nonetheless, officials acknowledge that the despair gripping many Israelis today resembles that of the 1990s when Israel was enmeshed in Lebanon. Israeli officials contend that the more important issue is that the Palestinians have been encouraged by the deepening fissures in Israeli society.

``Lebanon is not the West Bank and the West Bank is not Lebanon,`` a senior Israeli security source said.

But Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, the source asserted, ``wants to increase the number of attacks to widen the cracks in Israeli society.``

Another high-ranking military official acknowledged: ``They`re hurting us.``

But the official added: ``Are we going to leave [the Palestinian territories] because of the roadside bombs? No way.``(WP)

Yes you are -- because it IS Palestiniann territory.

``scoth drinking leader of the islamic republic of pakiland has ruled out a secular state?``

Well I don`t believe a word he says to the Mullahs. His hero Kemal Ataturk once told the Mullahs `I will die for Khilafat`.

In any event, I have repeatedly said that I don`t have a problem with an `Islamic` Republic, so long as the Mullahs are kept away from Governance, and Minorities get equal rights including the right to hold the highest office in the land. Musharraf seems to be heading that way. If Pakistan ensures all that ... I don`t care if they call it Sultanate Mughalia Pakistan let alone the Islamic Republic.

As said before the word `secular` has been degraded in Pakistan by people like Maudoodi so much so that educated people like Romair are victims of the propaganda too... they equate `secularism` with westernization.. so when Musharraf rules out a `secular` state he rules out the proliferation of Alcohol and night clubs... which I can care less about.

Whats in a word anyway?

Read Imran Khan`s Tehreek e Insaaf, which is full of references to Islam, but in the end it guarantees all the essentialities of a Secular State.

#78

Good catch semi! The number for Azerbaijan seems too low. Anyway here`s another document fromt the same site which perhaps gives a more accurate picture:

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/caspgrph.html

Ref wajihak #: 51

[.....I belive the true axes of evil is MR BUSH, SHARON, AND VAJPAYEE...... what do you guys think about it??????/.]

Why don`t you just say the axis of evil is Christianity, Judaism and Hinduism? That is what I think you are getting at.

[imagine ifwe did`nt have these three people or these 3 ideolgys world would be a much better place if not the best......]

Yes. Without these three idologies, you would be free to keep your women illiterate, pregnant and inside a burqa, you could be reciting the Koran while simultaneously eating halwa-puri and scratching your balls, and spend your time religiously fcuking your 4 or 14 wives.

``Perhaps in the future the cost of very deep drilling or other imperatives may be such the Arabian sea will become a more attractive proposition.``

Offshore Angola is today the cutting edge of deep-water drilling and production. But then it is justified because the reserves are simply gigantic (in the range of billion barrrels recoverable)