Ha Ha To the Axis of Evil Speech

Naqashbandi # 53

[``Unlike what Musharraf says our loyalties lie with Islam first THEN with Pakistan (or any other country)... As Iqbal said our identity is because of ISLAM...qawm (Islami) millat se hai...``]

Naqashbandi bhai sahab,

I beg to differ. Islam is a great religion with one and a quarter billion followers and will survive and prosper with or without Pakistan. But Pakistanis will be gucked without Pakistan.

If you have any doubts, just look at the treatment of Palestinians at the hands of the ummah.... those who have lived in Saudi for 50+ years live on resident visas stamped on Egyptian ``travelling documents``; no Gulf country gives them even a visit visa; they travel from Cairo to Gaza under armed escort... etc. etc.

I dont see anything wrong with Musharraf`s Pakistan first slogan. You can imagine how the ``Ummah`` will treat the miskeen Bakistanis in case there is no Bakistan!

Wajiha K,

First learn to spell axis. Thankyou.

Sigalph

Sir, you deserve all the credit for being an impartial individual with a balanced praise for all that is Good. Bangladesh and indeed Pakistan can go a long way, if we had more like you in our ranks.

Parting Blow for the shameless Naqshbandi : Can there be a better endorsement?

His death has come as the greatest blow to the Muslim world. He was the foremost figure in the Muslim East. In Iran and Afghanistan, in Egypt and of course in Turkey, he demonstrated to the consternation of the rest of the world that Muslim Nations were coming into their own. In Kemal Ataturk the Islamic world has lost a great hero. With the example of this great man in front of them as an inspiration, will the Muslims of India still remain in quagmire? (Jinnah 1938: Presidential address to League Convention, 1) Muslim league Documents, 2) Writings and statements of M.A.Jinnah 3) Quaid e Azam Papers)

PS: I find it shameless that Naqshbandi choot loves to quote Iqbal when Iqbal himself abhorred all Ulema and all Sufis, and was an ardent admirer of Kemal Ataturk as is obvious from Iqbal`s reconstruction of religious thoght in Islam. In Iqbal`s Islam and Iqbal`s Pakistan there is no room for Bigots like Naqshbandi and their distorted version of Islam.

There is hope yet for that Kind of Pakistan. My faith in Imran Khan and his party has been rekindled so to speak:

Manifesto of the Tehreek-e-Insaaf

http://www.insaf.org.pk/manifesto.htm

Hez got my vote.

Long Live Pakistan

Long Live Democracy

Long Live Iqbalian Islam

Down with Naqshbandi and his kind.

Harimau,

tsk .. tsk .... sigh.

I rest my case.



Dear Muslim Brothers and sisters,

Kindly examine the following statement,

``YLH- we know that kemal ataput was a zindeeq and a murtad [apostate] and out of Islam; he was declared as such by all the ulama of shuyukh. therefore he is going to go where all apostates/kaafirs go--to hell.``

I believe in Islam, and this is based on my own understanding of it the decision of who is going to heaven or hell is the domain solely of the God Almighty. Don`t you think the above mentioned statement qualifies our own great Naqshbandi Sufi to be a `Mushrik` or someone who associates himself with God?

By the way, Naqshbani Choot, please explain did the Ulema and Mashaikh declare this before or after they accorded Kemal Ataturk with the title of `Ghazi` or the `victorious in faith`, and was it before or after they gave him the title of `Saif ul Islam` or the `sword of Islam`. Pray tell for the sake of my pathetic little knowledge that did this `fatwa` of the all knowing and almighty Ulema come before or after Allama Iqbal wrote Muslims of East Africa: `Muslims should pray for the health of Mustapha Kemal Pasha and Quaid e Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah for they still need them`.

See I am a little confused. Are the great ulema and Mashaikh-e-karaam so `fickle`? Or is it that they are just `dukandars` selling religion as opium in their divine `dukans`?

The Ulema and Mashaikhs are the curse of Islam. Islam was never meant to have a clergy. Islam will not and cannot sustain this high assembley of Priests. All Ulema and Mashaikh e Karaam should be shot dead for their crimes against the Muslim Ummah. They have opposed everything progressive for Muslims from Turkish War of Independence to the Pakistan National Movement. Their track record is heinous. They have called our most brilliant leaders like Kemal Ataturk and Jinnah, `Murtid` and `Kafir e Azam`. Their end will liberate Islam from a curse which is as alien to the very spirit of Islam as idolatory or even more so , for Islam asks us to protect the worship places of any kind but Islam does not tolerate a clergy in its very heart.

re harimau 56

That was a good one :)

re asif n 54

Have some shame and humility: don`t claim what YOU believe to be the same as `what Allah has told us`. YOU are NOT the good Lord`s viceregent. Neither are your shuyakh and ulema. In case you did not know, Islam does not allow for a prieshood that interprets God`s word. That is a very Roman Catholic concept that you guys, in your lust to rule over feeble minds, have expropriated nicely. Who`s the apostate and nasara now?

re asif n 53

Dude, don`t tell me my duty. I have two homelands and I`d rather see the world and all its religions go to kingdom con before I condone any harm to the US or Bangladesh.

You despise the great Ataturk because he put your kind in its place. You fear him because his legacy inspires many others to manfully confront the depositsm that flows unabated in the name of religion. If you think that we will go back willingly to the 7th century deser culture, think again.

Oh how I wish there were a few more Ataturks to keep you folks in check.

The shrub has finally met his match!

According to Warren Olney (To The Point/NPR), in response to the axis-of-evil speech, the North Korean Radio described GW as an `ignorant political hooligan!` Let the sparks fly!

Methinks Bush has been mollycoddled too much. Time to take off the gloves...

re ali1 # 47

So I take it that in your madrassa, `patriot` is also defined as `uncle Tom`?

re ylh 48

Thank you for your very kind words, though I doubt I deserve them entirely.

Ref ali1 #: 47

[ylh # 30

[Therefore I need allies like Sigalph and Aisha Sarwari... if only there were more on this planet like them.]

Aisha I can understand, but why do you need Uncle Tom as your ally?]

Well, there is a need for at least ONE member for the quorum of meetings of the Jinnah Adoration and Admiration Society, of which Yasser is the President and Aisha Sarwari is the Vice President.

hobbyty,

``The largest reserves of gas are not in CA or ME, but under the Arabian sea ``

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/iea/table81.html

dude, have you no shame? atleast make the slightest effort to check your facts before you open your yap.

hobbytv--I disagree with your last point: the West (ie. Judaeo-Christian world) has always been opposed to Islam right from its inception what with the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Great Games of the 19th century, the dismantling of the great Uthmani Caliphate, the colonisation and partition of our lands, the creation of the illegimitate `state` of Israel, the Gulf War, Bosnian genocide (aided and abbetted by Britain), Kosovo, Chechnya, Afghanistan (twice) and the current so-called ``War on Terrorism`` etc. not to even mention all the killings of Muslims in the former USSR and the intellectual polemical attacks on Islam and vilification of it which continues till this day via the media...and it will continue until Qiyamat.

Because ALLAH Almighty has already TOLD us that the yehud and the nasaara will never be pleased with us UNTIL we become just like them and that they are NOT our friends but only friends and allies of one another; so when what Allah has already told us (and it has been explained in more detail by our beloved, infallible, Prophet sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam) why should we be surprised about it? We are not surprised!

Indeed it is a good rule of thumb that if you are a Muslim ruler and the West likes you, you are not good for Islam and the Muslims and if you are good for Islam and the Muslims they won`t like you. History is again a perfect example. All the greatest Muslim rulers are called ``despots`` and ``fanatics`` by the Orientalists (eg Sultan Mahmud Ghaznavi, Hazrat Aurangzeb Alamgeer, Tipu Sultan, Sultan Mehmed al Fatih, Sultan Suleyman etc.) and heretics like Akbar and Kemal Ataput are considered as great men! Even our Perfect and Beloved Messenger Sayyidina Rasul Allah sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam`s blessed being has been attacked viciously by the Jews and Christians and this attack continues to this day although now the aspertions are cast more slyly and subtley. Astaghfirullah.

So the sooner we Muslims return to the teachings and practise of Islam as exemplified by the Sacred Shariah the better it will be for us. For Allah has promised us victory but made it conditional on us being MU`MINS. i.e. practising Muslims who have gone completely into the Deen and internalised it!

YLH- we know that kemal ataput was a zindeeq and a murtad [apostate] and out of Islam; he was declared as such by all the ulama of shuyukh. therefore he is going to go where all apostates/kaafirs go--to hell. insha Allah. Just read Allah`s Qur`an and the hadith sharif.

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btw you started the insults by saying I was ```bhonk``-ing without having read the article`.

if it is any consolation to you i hate ataturk with a passion and all like him. he ruined the history of islam.

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sigalph---love for one`s watan is a part of islam-you are right. but it doesn`t and shouldn`t over-ride one`s love of Islam itself--especially when that watan is a part of dar al harb and is openly at war with your Muslim brothers and sisters. then your duty--as always--and your loyalty is to islam FIRST. so don`t quote hadith sharif out of context. i`m not a wahabi who wants destruction of ``everything western`` but when i see an attack on Islam--no matter what it is called--I pick Islam.

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Urstruly--yes the kafirs know that given a free and open choice of which type of government they would like most muslims would pick an islamic one. insha Allah the khilafat is going to return soon...

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Unlike what Musharraf says our loyalties lie with Islam first THEN with Pakistan (or any other country)... As Iqbal said our identity is because of ISLAM...qawm (Islami) millat se hai...

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He is trying to make pakistan into another turkey; insha Allah he will not succeed.

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look my brothers , and sisters and frineds and foes, I think i have a new and true version of the axes of evil, disagree with me if you think i am worng.....for me as a humanist and as a person who loves freedom for my self and for others .....I belive the true axes of evil is MR BUSH, SHARON, AND VAJPAYEE...... what do you guys think about it??????/.

imagine ifwe did`nt have these three people or these 3 ideolgys world would be a much better place if not the best......