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Ha Ha To the Axis of Evil Speech

Malik S Khar February 17, 2002

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#33 Posted by Naqshbandi on February 19, 2002 3:01:58 am
YLH--insha Allah tum ussee jaggah jaogay jahan tumhara Ataput hai...

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sigalph---you are a Muslim and yet you want the defeat of Islam? Subhan Allah! Well done. With Muslims like you--who needs external enemies? Muslims like you are exactly the kind of Muslims America is willing to tolerate...those who do not oppose its hegemony! May Allah guide you and me!

How can the enemies of Allah and His Messenger sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam be YOUR friends? Think about it!

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hobbytv--I am afraid that American interests DO clash head on with Islamic interests. e.g. it is not in US interests for Muslim nations to be politically united and presenting a united front; it is not in US interests for the Muslims to control the price of oil for their OWN maximum benefits (as opposed to what benefits America) etc.

So sooner or later there WILL be a head-on clash between Islam and the West led by USA. We know that when Imam Mahdi alayhisalam comes then there will be a big battle between Islam and the kaafirs who will be led by the Anti-Christ (Dajjal) near the end of the world. Whether this current polarisation is the first step towards that Final Battle only Allah and His Messenger know but it is a distinct possibility. Of course in that FINAL battle Allah`s Messenger sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam assured victory for the Believers.

Then again it might not be THAT battle yet but i believe there will still be clashes between a reviving Muslim world and the USA soon...

The only way to avoid that is for Muslims to accept total American domination in all spheres of life and do as they want. I cannot see that happening....



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#32 Posted by Romair on February 18, 2002 6:18:57 pm
Behram #21: Thanks for the kind words.

``Since you have equated US (personally I do not consider US as an evil) as one of the evil,``

I do not consider the US as an evil. Infact, quite the opposite. I am a huge fan of the US domestic policy. To me it is a guiding light for what other countries should be. Reading the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights was a sort of awakening for me, as a teenager. And that is one of the main motivations of my coming to the USA. I have nothing but respect and admiration and regard for how the US domestic society has treated me.

My criticism is only of the US foreign policy. Infact, it is more frustration than criticism. You will not find any country in the history of the world that is so human rights based in domestic policy and so non-human rights based in foreign policy. This is an anomaly.

It doesn`t make sense, and I refused to believe it for a long time. But now I am convinced that the US foreign policy is evil (for lack of a better word). It is as evil as any other superpower`s foreign policy. This is quite sad, since the US was/is one country which could have infiltrated the whole world with its ideals of education, equality, freedom, democracy, etc. Instead, it has flooded the world with bunker busters, tomahawks, laser guided bombs, smart bombs, brialliant bombs (yes that is a category of bombs), etc.

Why is the US doing the above? Why doesn`t Canada or even most of the EU have equivalently evil foreign policies. Even domestically non-human rights based China is more liked in foreign policy (outside Tibet). The answer is that the US is fighting the wars of Israel. And Israel has a lot of human rights skeletons in its closet. Israel has passed on some of these skeletons to the US, at the expense of the common American citizen.

This is not to justify any of the terrorists attacks like WTC, or people like Saddam Hussein. However, in the whole Arab vs. USA/Israel conflict, it was infact Israel that started the whole thing, and then dragged the US into it.

I think the US domestic society is one more major terrorist attack away from a large anti-Muslim backlash. This is regretable but perhaps understandable, also. In a sense, I cannot blame the Americans for that. Pakistanis, Indians, (anyone else) would react the same. The relations between Arabs and the US are the worse they have ever been, and getting worse. If the US does not stop supporting moronic regimes like the Saudi Royal family, a Khomeni type revolution may occur in Saudi Arabia, then the whole chessboard of US Middle East relations will change, and get even worse. This will only benefit Israel and no one else, and will have strong reprecussions in the US (perhaps another WTC type terrorist attack), which will lead to strong anti-Muslim backlashes.

I don`t want my future kids to grow up in such an environment, where they are legally first rate citizens, but socially second rate. All Muslims (Arabs, non-Arabs, alcoholics, non-alcoholics, etc.) will be in the same boat. While I would perhaps understand the domestic backlash, I think the US`s foreign policy barbarisms have reached disgusting levels. And I don`t want my tax money paying for that any longer.

Visiting Canada has been another revelation for me. It is the only country I know of which is nearly 100% human rights based in domestic and foreign policy (the US would have been the same, had its foreign policy not been so controlled by Israel).



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#31 Posted by hobbyty on February 18, 2002 6:18:57 pm


Asif Naqshbandi

Excellent and in my opinion correct. The war on terrorism is a war on political Islam but we must make a distinction - it is not a war on a political Islam that espouses a commitment to civil discourse and democracy. Mr. Naqshbandi a reading of the work of academics with regard to Islam and US policy suggests that until the 80`s the US did not have a seperate policy towards Islam. US policy is about US interests, I think it would be difficult to make a case that US interests and Islam are by definition hostile to each other.

victory to virtueous Muslims.



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#30 Posted by Akash on February 18, 2002 6:18:57 pm
Dear Asif

``these type of leaders are the biggest enemies of islam--equal to the kaafirs...

``

Who are these Kafirs. Is it Hindus like me. Or you mena people of the book. Or Buddhists, Jains, Sikhs, atheists etc.



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#29 Posted by ylh on February 18, 2002 6:18:57 pm


The sheer irony of the precariousness of my position and the position of my kind is that when we take on the fundoos like Naqshbandi, we find allies in the Indians and the `Indian-Wannabes` and when we take on the Indians we find allies in Naqshbandis ...

A two front ideological war is the need of the day to gain our own footing. We can`t keep jumping boat from boat. Therefore I need allies like Sigalph and Aisha Sarwari... if only there were more on this planet like them.

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#28 Posted by hobbyty on February 18, 2002 6:18:57 pm


My family used own a house by the Shaat al-Arab, on the Iranian side, don`t know if it stands - fun loving Iraqis? Sure - Americans phaoronic? sure - Right or wrong, the American means business and is determined to use his power. Iraqi should consider, better to bend than to break.



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#27 Posted by ylh on February 18, 2002 6:18:57 pm


Naqshbandi Chootiyah,

I have warned you before.. but you will never learn.. tooo rehta inglistan mein hai aur kehta mujhe ghulam hai?

turkiye mein teray jaison kay saath sahih hua thaa.

Aur Bhonk laanti.



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#26 Posted by sigalph235 on February 18, 2002 6:18:57 pm
re asif n 18

Finally, we agree on something when you declare,

``Political Islam is the only fear they have left after Communism fell and they r going all out to try and destroy it...``

Thank God for that. Political Islam should have been nipped in the bud as soon as Communism fell. But hesitant, apologetic leaders like Clinton, Major, and the French (and the left liberals in the US Congress)thought they could have co-existence with this beast. Pity, they didn`t learn from Roosevelt and Truman`s mistakes. Freedom can never co-exist with an ideology that is antithetical to liberty. Had Patton been allowed to drive to Prague in 1945 and American Democrats/British Socialists (Labor) not fiddled with the idea of detente, it would not have taken 40 years to end the slavery known as Communism.

Unfortunately, some of Prez Bush`s advisers are having a bit of nervousness about this new monster called political Islam/Islamism. If we are to avoid the drain of another 40 years of ideological conflict, political Islam should be confronted and put down ruthlessly everywhere immediately. It is the number one philosophical enemy of the pluralist, liberal democratic, free-market system we are trying to build. The world does not need political Islam, political Hindusim, political sun-worship and what not.



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#25 Posted by Rdesikan on February 18, 2002 6:18:57 pm
RE malnourishment in Iraq

At least Saddam and gang have gotten fatter, physicially and fiscally while they starve their people. It is a pity that the educated have to hawk their heirlooms to get food while his thuggish sons control the black market.



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#22 Posted by stuka on February 18, 2002 6:18:57 pm
In my previous post...

``how come the Afghans and the

Pakistanis were slaughtered on the streets of Kabul? ``

should have read as ..

``how come the Arabs and the

Pakistanis were slaughtered on the streets of Kabul? ``

as a reference to the ``guests`` of the Taliban.



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#21 Posted by tahmed321 on February 18, 2002 12:06:46 pm
Very nice description of your visit to Iraq. Midway, however, the article takes a wrong turn when you cross into the mumbo-jumbo about US World Domination and your ridiculing of the World Trade Center is simply disgusting - the World Trade Center was an asset for the whole world, and precious lives (including that of many young, bright Pakistanis, and of Bangladeshi workers in a restaurant in the WTC - I mention the deaths of these people since the lives of fathers and mothers who happen to be white may not mean much to you given your description of WTC).

Next time, perhaps you should stop with writing what you are good at - travelogues with human interest, rather than giving in to this eternal urge of the Paki gentleman (probably stronger even than sex, it seems, in many cases) - to air his half-baked opinions concerning geo-strategy, global politics and such things.



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#20 Posted by stuka on February 18, 2002 12:06:46 pm
Prem:

While comparing the figures before and after the sanctions, do not limit yourself to checking just the figures on malnutrition. Pls also check figures on the size of the Republican Guards, the size of the Iraqi Armed Forces as well as the internal security mechanisms. While you are comparing figures, it would also be helpful to compare figures of malnutrition in Iraq, where the funds are controlled by Saddam, and the northern Kkurdish areas which have autonomy and get a percentage of funds from the exact same Oil for Food program.

There is no widespread malnutrition in Kurdish areas, but it is widespread in the Iraq that is under Saddam`s control. It is Saddam whose priority is to mantain power at the cost of starving his own population.

Be very careful, and have nothing but contempt for these rabidly Anti American people, who are so filled with hate for America ``the great Satan``, that they would rather condemn an entire Afghan population to slowly die under the Taliban, would rather let the Iraqis starve under Saddam, then to step back and actually support the right thing to do.

These people will reel of statistics on innocent Afghans being killed in American bombings, but will never talk about the mass destruction of the land and people of that country. If the Taliban and their guests were so great, how come the Afghans and the Pakistanis were slaughtered on the streets of Kabul? If Saddam is being victimized, why does he not fulfill the commitments that he himself made, at the time of the Gulf War. Why can`t he reduce the size of his military budget, and let starving kids get food and medicine, just like Kurdish kids do in the same country.



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#19 Posted by jagdeep on February 18, 2002 11:16:43 am
Re: Prem

``So what explains the malnutrition of kids in Iraq``

just compare the figures before and after the sanctions and u get the answer



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#18 Posted by Naqshbandi on February 18, 2002 11:16:43 am
saminashah no.10

it is a generalisation but all the statements are by and large accurate. name one of my allegations which are NOT true?

nasah---yeh, if this is not a war on political Islam then what else is it? Please explain!

It is time for Muslims to UNITE and forget our little differences otherwise the kaafirs will destroy us completely. This is not a joke! Can`t you see they are playing the Great Game all over again? Political Islam is the only fear they have left after Communism fell and they r going all out to try and destroy it...

Wake up and smell the coffee folks



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#17 Posted by Naqshbandi on February 18, 2002 11:16:43 am


ylh--article paRh kar hii likha tha...bhonknaa tau tum jaisay ghulaamon ka kaam hai aur tumhare leaderoN ka jaisa ke ataput...

btw, to all: please note that no WAY am i defending saddam--he is an evil tyrant, ba`athist and horrible for his people; that is why he was allowed to remain in power by bush and the usa who are as evil as him .

but if they attack irq innocent iraqis will die--innocent MUSLIMs..

plus they r only doing it cos the yehudis want them too...

these type of leaders are the biggest enemies of islam--equal to the kaafirs...



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#16 Posted by sigalph235 on February 18, 2002 11:16:43 am
Don`t be so quick to write off the Bush approach as naive, moronic, shortsighted, diabolical etc etc. Those are all the names that scared,pin-striped nincompoops in Europe, the State Dept, and elsewhere called Reagan. The result of that arrogant underestimation was the absolute destruction of communism, socialism, and all such -isms that propped up tyrants.

Some of you are simply upset because Bush has called the bluff of so-called allies(French Resistance-what an oxymoron) and foes alike. And he has won hands down. Try your best in putting gloomy airs on this victory; but the fact remains that terror is on the run from Gaza to Ghazni.

It is a delight to see the impotent cacophony of imprudent apologetics. Carry on!



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